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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:16 pm
Post subject: 2004 NCAA tournament pick
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This is my pick:
Champion: Stanford
Runner-up: North Carolina
Final Four: Georgia Tech, Texas
Elite Eight: Duke, Kansas, Notre Dame, NC State.
Sweet 16: Cincinnati, Gonzaga, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Kentucky, Arizona,
Wisconsin.
Two and Done: Mississippi State, Saint Joseph's, Providence, Michigan State,
Wake Forest, Maryland, Memphis, Washington, Illinois, Air Force.
One and Out: Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, LSU, Florida, Texas Tech,
Colorado, Seton Hall, DePaul, Charlotte.
I also predict Conference USA gets only four bids, Notre Dame is the only
team in sweet sixteen from Big East and five teams from Southeastern
conference will lose in the first round. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:16 pm
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2004 NCAA tournament pick
first of all. Kansas has no chance of getting to elite 8, and where is
Oklahoma State?
jhawkr
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(Ar Q) wrote:
This is my pick:
Champion: Stanford
Runner-up: North Carolina
Final Four: Georgia Tech, Texas
Elite Eight: Duke, Kansas, Notre Dame, NC State.
Sweet 16: Cincinnati, Gonzaga, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Kentucky, Arizona,
Wisconsin.
Two and Done: Mississippi State, Saint Joseph's, Providence, Michigan
State, Wake Forest, Maryland, Memphis, Washington, Illinois, Air Force.
One and Out: Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, LSU, Florida, Texas
Tech, Colorado, Seton Hall, DePaul, Charlotte.
I also predict Conference USA gets only four bids, Notre Dame is the
only team in sweet sixteen from Big East and five teams from
Southeastern conference will lose in the first round. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:16 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:42 pm
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Notre Dame? How do you see them (at 16-11, #47 RPI, #50 Sagarin) making the
tournament over Louisville(19-8, #22 RPI, #18 Sagarin)? Your comment about
Conference USA is so silly it takes a lot of credence away from anything
else you say. I am not one of those that predicts the brackets, but
everyone I have seen shows CUSA getting 6 teams. I suppose because of
upsets you could argue that only 5 will get in, but 4? Considering that
Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Charlotte, and UAB are all ranked in the
top 34 of the RPI, how would they be left out? Depaul is #41, but they have
the #1 seed in the conference tourney, so it looks like they are in too.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:42 pm
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Tim & Tracy Burnett wrote:
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> Notre Dame? How do you see them (at 16-11, #47 RPI, #50 Sagarin) making the
> tournament over Louisville(19-8, #22 RPI, #18 Sagarin)? Your comment about
> Conference USA is so silly it takes a lot of credence away from anything
> else you say. I am not one of those that predicts the brackets, but
> everyone I have seen shows CUSA getting 6 teams. I suppose because of
> upsets you could argue that only 5 will get in, but 4? Considering that
> Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Charlotte, and UAB are all ranked in the
> top 34 of the RPI, how would they be left out? Depaul is #41, but they have
> the #1 seed in the conference tourney, so it looks like they are in too.
>
> Tim
Really. Why should noterdame even get in the tourney at all?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:40 pm
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"Tim & Tracy Burnett" <tburnett2.DeleteThis@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Notre Dame? How do you see them (at 16-11, #47 RPI, #50 Sagarin) making
the
> tournament over Louisville(19-8, #22 RPI, #18 Sagarin)? Your comment
about
> Conference USA is so silly it takes a lot of credence away from anything
> else you say. I am not one of those that predicts the brackets, but
> everyone I have seen shows CUSA getting 6 teams. I suppose because of
> upsets you could argue that only 5 will get in, but 4? Considering that
> Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Charlotte, and UAB are all ranked in the
> top 34 of the RPI, how would they be left out? Depaul is #41, but they
have
> the #1 seed in the conference tourney, so it looks like they are in too.
>
> Tim
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You will see how evil those BCS schools are on Selection Sunday. >> Stay informed about: 2004 NCAA tournament pick |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:01 pm
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In article <pZm3c.3819$Cm3.2170@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Ar Q wrote:
> This is my pick:
>
> Champion: Stanford
They won't make the Elite 8.
>
> Runner-up: North Carolina
>
> Final Four: Georgia Tech, Texas
>
> Elite Eight: Duke, Kansas, Notre Dame, NC State.
>
> Sweet 16: Cincinnati, Gonzaga, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt, Kentucky, Arizona,
> Wisconsin.
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> Two and Done: Mississippi State, Saint Joseph's, Providence, Michigan State,
> Wake Forest, Maryland, Memphis, Washington, Illinois, Air Force.
>
> One and Out: Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, LSU, Florida, Texas Tech,
> Colorado, Seton Hall, DePaul, Charlotte.
>
> I also predict Conference USA gets only four bids,
Another wrong prediction. They are a sure thing for 5, and will probably
get 6.
> Notre Dame is the only
> team in sweet sixteen from Big East
I don't even think they will be invited. Who have they beat?
> and five teams from Southeastern
> conference will lose in the first round.
I don't know what you are smoking, but I think your predictions are
like the ones by psychics. You hope to get one that washes out the
rest...
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:04 pm
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In article <_ln3c.21924$iy.20688@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
"Tim & Tracy Burnett" <tburnett2 RemoveThis @cinci.rr.com> writes:
|>Notre Dame? How do you see them (at 16-11, #47 RPI, #50 Sagarin) making the
|>tournament over Louisville(19-8, #22 RPI, #18 Sagarin)? Your comment about
|>Conference USA is so silly it takes a lot of credence away from anything
|>else you say. I am not one of those that predicts the brackets, but
|>everyone I have seen shows CUSA getting 6 teams. I suppose because of
|>upsets you could argue that only 5 will get in, but 4? Considering that
|>Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Charlotte, and UAB are all ranked in the
|>top 34 of the RPI, how would they be left out? Depaul is #41, but they have
|>the #1 seed in the conference tourney, so it looks like they are in too.
Consider also that Depaul was 5-4 during a stretch when a key player
was injured, and that they now have him back and are playing very
well since he returned.
I'd agree with you -- 5 is the absolute minimum for CUSA, 6 is a near
certainty, and some have argued that 7 is a possibility (if Marquette
did exceptionally well in the CUSA tourney, and there were no other
surprise winners in other conferences)
And there's no way that ND (presuming they even get in) is the best
representative from the Big East...
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:52 pm
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Perusion Hostmaster <nanae.TakeThisOut@bill.perusion.com> wrote in
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>> Notre Dame is the only
>> team in sweet sixteen from Big East
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> I don't even think they will be invited. Who have they beat?
Well, I have them as out as well, but several prognosticators including
Jerry Palm have them in. As for who they beat, it was Connecticut, Seton
Hall, and @Syracuse. That's 2 RPI top 10 wins, one on the road.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:52 pm
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James M. Gibson <jgzero.DeleteThis@u.dryington.edu> wrote:
> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae.DeleteThis@bill.perusion.com> wrote in
> news:slrnc4s53o.mao.nanae@bill.heins.net:
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> >> Notre Dame is the only
> >> team in sweet sixteen from Big East
> >
> > I don't even think they will be invited. Who have they beat?
>
> Well, I have them as out as well, but several prognosticators including
> Jerry Palm have them in. As for who they beat, it was Connecticut, Seton
> Hall, and @Syracuse. That's 2 RPI top 10 wins, one on the road.
What's the second RPI top 10 win? Does Syracuse have a top 10 RPI?
That's ludicrous.
It's still 3 very nice wins. Not enough to get them in though, IMO, not
without some serious noise in the BE tourney. I'd say they need to get
to the final, or at least beat one of the top 4 teams before they lose
if they want to dance.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:52 pm
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:58:05 -0500, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> James M. Gibson <jgzero.DeleteThis@u.dryington.edu> wrote:
>> Well, I have them as out as well, but several prognosticators including
>> Jerry Palm have them in. As for who they beat, it was Connecticut, Seton
>> Hall, and @Syracuse. That's 2 RPI top 10 wins, one on the road.
>
> What's the second RPI top 10 win? Does Syracuse have a top 10 RPI?
> That's ludicrous.
Yes, it's Syracuse. Syracuse is highly RPI/Chess overrated compared to
Sagarin Predictor. Good record in close games.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:52 pm
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"John Thacker" <thacker.RemoveThis@math.cornell.edu> wrote:
> >> Well, I have them as out as well, but several prognosticators including
> >> Jerry Palm have them in. As for who they beat, it was Connecticut, Seton
> >> Hall, and @Syracuse. That's 2 RPI top 10 wins, one on the road.
> >
> > What's the second RPI top 10 win? Does Syracuse have a top 10 RPI?
> > That's ludicrous.
>
> Yes, it's Syracuse. Syracuse is highly RPI/Chess overrated compared to
> Sagarin Predictor. Good record in close games.
That's an important distinction, especially come Big Dancing.
This why I wouldn't do a straight power rating, m'self. Winning
the game deserves a modicum of a bonus.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:52 pm
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"Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam.DeleteThis@Ham.com> wrote in message news:c2liog$tvv$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
> "John Thacker" <thacker.DeleteThis@math.cornell.edu> wrote:
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> > >> Well, I have them as out as well, but several prognosticators including
> > >> Jerry Palm have them in. As for who they beat, it was Connecticut, Seton
> > >> Hall, and @Syracuse. That's 2 RPI top 10 wins, one on the road.
> > >
> > > What's the second RPI top 10 win? Does Syracuse have a top 10 RPI?
> > > That's ludicrous.
> >
> > Yes, it's Syracuse. Syracuse is highly RPI/Chess overrated compared to
> > Sagarin Predictor. Good record in close games.
>
> That's an important distinction, especially come Big Dancing.
> This why I wouldn't do a straight power rating, m'self. Winning
> the game deserves a modicum of a bonus.
Oh, and pro-rated based on the quality of the opponent.
I don't care if you barely beat the #327 team -- wait, I do
care, and your bonus should zero. Your penalty is that you
were only 2 points better than #327 that day. If you beat
14 teams ranked ~100, you'd be earning small bonuses
based on the fact that you don't lose to top ~100 teams.
But if you go 7-7 against top 25 teams, you'd wind up
with seven less bonuses, but they would add up to a bigger
bonus overall.
Doesn't Sagarin's overall rating sorta do this?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:14 pm
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:56:24 -0500, Edward M. Kennedy wrote:
> Oh, and pro-rated based on the quality of the opponent.
> I don't care if you barely beat the #327 team -- wait, I do
> care, and your bonus should zero. Your penalty is that you
> were only 2 points better than #327 that day. If you beat
> 14 teams ranked ~100, you'd be earning small bonuses
> based on the fact that you don't lose to top ~100 teams.
> But if you go 7-7 against top 25 teams, you'd wind up
> with seven less bonuses, but they would add up to a bigger
> bonus overall.
>
> Doesn't Sagarin's overall rating sorta do this?
Sorta, since Chess does something along those lines, and the overall
rating is a straight average of the two.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:55 pm
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In article <Xns94A7792AC38CBGibson.DeleteThis@140.142.17.38>, James M. Gibson wrote:
> Perusion Hostmaster <nanae.DeleteThis@bill.perusion.com> wrote in
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>>> Notre Dame is the only
>>> team in sweet sixteen from Big East
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>> I don't even think they will be invited. Who have they beat?
>
> Well, I have them as out as well, but several prognosticators including
> Jerry Palm have them in. As for who they beat, it was Connecticut, Seton
> Hall, and @Syracuse. That's 2 RPI top 10 wins, one on the road.
>
The @Syracuse is a nice win, though I think Syracuse was still
adjusting to the lack of Edelin; they had handled Notre Dame the
month before with him. The others are home in-conference
wins; lots of teams have those pelts.
If you let Notre Dame in, you have to let Purdue in, and I don't see
Purdue getting in even with my Big-10-colored glasses on full tint.
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