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s_knight8

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:28 am
Post subject: Agent says Jermaine O'Neal singled out by Stern
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-suspend22nov22,1,6
824153.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers

O'Neal's agent, Arn Tellem, also issued a statement, asserting Stern
"singled out Jermaine O'Neal in an arbitrary and capricious way" and saying
they will "vigorously contest the NBA's outrageous decision and demand that
his side of the story be heard."

Pacer co-owner Herb Simon issued a statement saying, "We believe there was a
rush to judgment.. We will vigorously support our players in any available
appeal process."

"To watch the out-of-control fans in the stands was disgusting," Stern said,
"but it doesn't excuse our players going into the stands."

Stern talked to union head Billy Hunter several times over the weekend but
made the decision by himself.

"It was unanimous, one to nothing," Stern said. "I did not strike from my
mind the fact that Ron Artest had been suspended on previous conditions for
loss of self-control..

"Mr. Jackson was well into the stands and certainly anyone who watched any
television this weekend understood he wasn't going in as a peacemaker.

"Jermaine, I think it's fair to say, exceeded any bounds of peacemaking with
the altercation with the fan.. His penalty actually would have been harsher
if he had succeeded in getting into the stands, which he tried to do but was
restrained from."

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Gary Collard

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:15 pm
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s_knight8 wrote:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-suspend22nov22,1,6
> 824153.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
>
> O'Neal's agent, Arn Tellem, also issued a statement, asserting Stern
> "singled out Jermaine O'Neal in an arbitrary and capricious way" and saying
> they will "vigorously contest the NBA's outrageous decision and demand that
> his side of the story be heard."

I actually agree with this, assuming that the on-court punch we saw was all
he did. Copied from a post I made to APBR:

....while players going into the stands (obviously exempting peacemakers)
should be given the stiffest of penalties - I would start at 20-40 games
for any such incident - if a fan comes onto the field/court he should be
considered a danger to the player and forfeit any rights of protection.
The player cannot know if the fan is armed, and should not be penalized for
reacting as if he might be.

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Terraholm

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:15 pm
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Gary Collard wrote:
> s_knight8 wrote:
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-suspend22nov22,1,6
>> 824153.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
>>
>> O'Neal's agent, Arn Tellem, also issued a statement, asserting Stern
>> "singled out Jermaine O'Neal in an arbitrary and capricious way" and
>> saying they will "vigorously contest the NBA's outrageous decision
>> and demand that his side of the story be heard."
>
> I actually agree with this, assuming that the on-court punch we saw
> was all he did. Copied from a post I made to APBR:

Off camera Jermaine is rumored to have broken away from, and is being
investigated for hitting, a police officer to go get into the fight.


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Gary Collard

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:05 pm
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Terraholm wrote:
>
> Gary Collard wrote:
> > s_knight8 wrote:
> >>
> >> http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-suspend22nov22,1,6
> >> 824153.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
> >>
> >> O'Neal's agent, Arn Tellem, also issued a statement, asserting Stern
> >> "singled out Jermaine O'Neal in an arbitrary and capricious way" and
> >> saying they will "vigorously contest the NBA's outrageous decision
> >> and demand that his side of the story be heard."
> >
> > I actually agree with this, assuming that the on-court punch we saw
> > was all he did. Copied from a post I made to APBR:
>
> Off camera Jermaine is rumored to have broken away from, and is being
> investigated for hitting, a police officer to go get into the fight.

Yikes! The plot thickens, and in that case yeah the 25 is justified.

I thought there had to be something beyond the sucker punch.

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Ron

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:05 pm
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In article <41A38A08.F5E6CD8F.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>,
Gary Collard <neinspam.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yikes! The plot thickens, and in that case yeah the 25 is justified.
>
> I thought there had to be something beyond the sucker punch.

Although after looking at the footage again, I'm having a harder time
having any sympathy for O'neal (a player I generally like).

The guy he clocks can't possibly be considered a threat in any way,
shape, or form. If reports that he's a Pistons ball boy are true, then
you can't even say that he shouldn't be on the floor. But that's almost
beside the point.

You can't just run up and clock him. This is less excuseable than
Artest's confrontation with a fan on the floor (not to be confused with
his battle in the stands) where the fan seemed to be intending to
confront Artest, and you can understand how Artest felt threatened.

The guy's picking himself up off the floor. He's not doing anything that
could be considered threatening. There are dozens of people on the floor
and if O'neal feels threatened, he should be trying to get OFF the floor
as quickly as possible, not seeking out people to confront -- and
there's no way to view his actions as anything other than seeking a
confrontation.

-Ron
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