Arroyo for Campbell?

In article <csr7gl$brk@dispatch.concentric.net>,
s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.nypost.com/sports/38952.htm
>
>Carlos Arroyo, reduced to fourth point status (DNP-coach's decision, four
>straight games) for not conforming to Jerry Sloan's team concept and
>refusing to back off his macho stance, will be traded, but positively not to
>the Clippers. Look for the Pistons to get him today for Elden Campbell and a
>future first-round pick.


Don't the Pistons already have a guy like him in Delfino?


Dimitri
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.DeleteThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <csr7gl$brk@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.nypost.com/sports/38952.htm
> >
> >Carlos Arroyo, reduced to fourth point status (DNP-coach's decision, four
> >straight games) for not conforming to Jerry Sloan's team concept and
> >refusing to back off his macho stance, will be traded, but positively not
to
> >the Clippers. Look for the Pistons to get him today for Elden Campbell
and a
> >future first-round pick.
>
>
> Don't the Pistons already have a guy like him in Delfino?
>
>
> Dimitri
>

Where have all those shitty Laker fans gone big D. Brandon, Coon, Smith,
and Queen Fletcher have abandoned ship and are nowhere to be found. I guess
we all knew Laker fans were bandwagon and those titles were all luck.
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"D. Gerasimatos" wrote:
>
> In article <csr7gl$brk@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.nypost.com/sports/38952.htm
> >
> >Carlos Arroyo, reduced to fourth point status (DNP-coach's decision, four
> >straight games) for not conforming to Jerry Sloan's team concept and
> >refusing to back off his macho stance, will be traded, but positively not to
> >the Clippers. Look for the Pistons to get him today for Elden Campbell and a
> >future first-round pick.
>
> Don't the Pistons already have a guy like him in Delfino?

You know how Me_ve_enko and _irk have no D? Well, meet Carl_s Delfin_

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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.RemoveThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <csr7gl$brk@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.nypost.com/sports/38952.htm
> >
> >Carlos Arroyo, reduced to fourth point status (DNP-coach's decision, four
> >straight games) for not conforming to Jerry Sloan's team concept and
> >refusing to back off his macho stance, will be traded, but positively not
to
> >the Clippers. Look for the Pistons to get him today for Elden Campbell
and a
> >future first-round pick.
>
>
> Don't the Pistons already have a guy like him in Delfino?
>
>
> Dimitri

Fellow latino? Si. Another pg? no.
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In article <csrih7$14df$1@agate.berkeley.edu>,
dim.RemoveThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote:

> In article <csr7gl$brk@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.nypost.com/sports/38952.htm
> >
> >Carlos Arroyo, reduced to fourth point status (DNP-coach's decision, four
> >straight games) for not conforming to Jerry Sloan's team concept and
> >refusing to back off his macho stance, will be traded, but positively not to
> >the Clippers. Look for the Pistons to get him today for Elden Campbell and a
> >future first-round pick.
>
>
> Don't the Pistons already have a guy like him in Delfino?


Darko Part II. This gives them a guard corps of Billups,
Hamilton, Arroyo and Delfino. I doubt Arroyo's going to
see as much playing time as he wants.

What I'd really like to know is what Arroyo did. Usually guys
who get in Sloan's doghouse are given multiple chances to get
out of it--Mehmet Okur earlier this year, for example. For
Sloan to sit him four straight games, there must be more going
on behind the scenes.
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Granville Waiters' Ghost wrote:
> What I'd really like to know is what Arroyo did. Usually guys
> who get in Sloan's doghouse are given multiple chances to get
> out of it--Mehmet Okur earlier this year, for example. For
> Sloan to sit him four straight games, there must be more going
> on behind the scenes.

From what I can see, Arroyo just wasn't proactive. He and Sloan locked
horns, and Sloan gave him a "time out" (benched him). This has certainly
happened before with other players, and most of them have found their
way out of the dog house. Carlos was told by several people (current and
former Jazzmen, notably), that Sloan's door is open and he should go
hammer things out. For whatever reason, he didn't.

Sloan is many things as a coach, but he's no babysitter, for better or
worse.

Combine that with a couple PGs who've been playing quite well enough,
thank you, Arroyo's game slipping at all the wrong times (the few
minutes he played in the last couple months), Kirilenko coming off the
IL and Collins right behind him, and there wasn't a place for Arroyo.

I somehow don't think Detroit is the last team Arroyo will play for this
season. But I could be wrong.

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In article <cssqbt$j71$1@news.xmission.com>, Raptor <lawall.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:

> From what I can see, Arroyo just wasn't proactive. He and Sloan locked
> horns, and Sloan gave him a "time out" (benched him). This has certainly
> happened before with other players, and most of them have found their
> way out of the dog house. Carlos was told by several people (current and
> former Jazzmen, notably), that Sloan's door is open and he should go
> hammer things out. For whatever reason, he didn't.
>
> Sloan is many things as a coach, but he's no babysitter, for better or
> worse.
>
> Combine that with a couple PGs who've been playing quite well enough,
> thank you, Arroyo's game slipping at all the wrong times (the few
> minutes he played in the last couple months), Kirilenko coming off the
> IL and Collins right behind him, and there wasn't a place for Arroyo.


Thanks for the info.



> I somehow don't think Detroit is the last team Arroyo will play for this
> season. But I could be wrong.


He has a nice contract, so he's at least a decent asset. I'm not
sure about the details of the pick Detroit gave up in the trade.
Is it just their '06 first rounder, straight up?

I can't understand what's happening in Detroit, either. They
acquired Derrick Coleman and Elden Campbell and barely played
them. Instead of Milicic, Darvin Ham is getting his whopping
3 or 4 minutes a game while Darko racks up more DNP-CDs.

Now we have this, which basically relegates Delfino to being
a 5th guard/injury list fodder (I forgot to add Lindsey Hunter
to Billups, Hamilton, Arroyo and Delfino earlier).

Unfortunately, Larry Brown has a long history of pining after
players and then virtually ignoring them once they're acquired.
Mark Jackson in Indiana is one example. The 76ers roster is
bulging with guys he declared were irreplacable but turned
out to be overpaid busts. I suspect Arroyo is going to find
himself in the same position as the above mentioned players,
behind the creaky journeyman that Larry prefers.
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:26:09 GMT, x DeleteThis @x.x (Granville Waiters' Ghost)
enlightened us:

>In article <cssqbt$j71$1@news.xmission.com>, Raptor <lawall DeleteThis @xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> From what I can see, Arroyo just wasn't proactive. He and Sloan locked
>> horns, and Sloan gave him a "time out" (benched him). This has certainly
>> happened before with other players, and most of them have found their
>> way out of the dog house. Carlos was told by several people (current and
>> former Jazzmen, notably), that Sloan's door is open and he should go
>> hammer things out. For whatever reason, he didn't.
>>
>> Sloan is many things as a coach, but he's no babysitter, for better or
>> worse.
>>
>> Combine that with a couple PGs who've been playing quite well enough,
>> thank you, Arroyo's game slipping at all the wrong times (the few
>> minutes he played in the last couple months), Kirilenko coming off the
>> IL and Collins right behind him, and there wasn't a place for Arroyo.
>
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
>
>
>> I somehow don't think Detroit is the last team Arroyo will play for this
>> season. But I could be wrong.
>
>
>He has a nice contract, so he's at least a decent asset. I'm not
>sure about the details of the pick Detroit gave up in the trade.
>Is it just their '06 first rounder, straight up?
>

It is a future first round and lottery protected.

I do not understand this trade from a Pistons' point of view.
Especially giving up Eldon Campbell. Eldon was on the squad to
provide backup for the Wallace's. I can't believe Coach Brown will
now cede that to Derrick "Older than Dirt" Coleman. Plus, if Aroyo
couldn't get along with Coach Sloan because he wasn't a team player,
he's certainly not going to fit in with the Pistons or Coach Brown.
Maybe we'll see Aroyo traded for something better before the end of
the trading deadline. I certainly hope so.

>I can't understand what's happening in Detroit, either. They
>acquired Derrick Coleman and Elden Campbell and barely played
>them. Instead of Milicic, Darvin Ham is getting his whopping
>3 or 4 minutes a game while Darko racks up more DNP-CDs.
>

Despite my above tirade, maybe this means (if Aroyo isn't traded) that
Darko starts getting more playing time.

>Now we have this, which basically relegates Delfino to being
>a 5th guard/injury list fodder (I forgot to add Lindsey Hunter
>to Billups, Hamilton, Arroyo and Delfino earlier).
>
>Unfortunately, Larry Brown has a long history of pining after
>players and then virtually ignoring them once they're acquired.
>Mark Jackson in Indiana is one example. The 76ers roster is
>bulging with guys he declared were irreplacable but turned
>out to be overpaid busts. I suspect Arroyo is going to find
>himself in the same position as the above mentioned players,
>behind the creaky journeyman that Larry prefers.

Brown hasn't done that too much with the Pistons because Joe Dumars
makes the personnel decisions and he'd done a great job.

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