Artest&Bibby

On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....TakeThisOut@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> the trade deadline.
>
> John

If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
now....

Rizzo
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On Jul 10, 9:56 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....TakeThisOut@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> > Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> > is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> > less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> > dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> > the trade deadline.
>
> > John
>
> If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
> cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
> trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
> now....
>
> Rizzo

Not just the starting lineup (assuming that what is meant by roster)
but we are not deep anymore. I think that was one of the good things
about the old teams. Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Turkalu (sp?) and
others coming off the bench. Now the bench only has Salmons and
Garcia. We not only need a new PG but we need viable bench players.
Thomas and SARS will not cut it.
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On Jul 10, 9:05 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 9:56 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....RemoveThis@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > > > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > > > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> > > Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> > > is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> > > less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> > > dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> > > the trade deadline.
>
> > > John
>
> > If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
> > cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
> > trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
> > now....
>
> > Rizzo
>
> Not just the starting lineup (assuming that what is meant by roster)
> but we are not deep anymore. I think that was one of the good things
> about the old teams. Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Turkalu (sp?) and
> others coming off the bench. Now the bench only has Salmons and
> Garcia. We not only need a new PG but we need viable bench players.
> Thomas and SARS will not cut it.

That's why I'm thinking dump Bibby AND Artest to get more than two
players who can play even if they are eventually going to be subs.
Then you can get a FA and a couple draft picks next year and build
something with Hawes, Kmart, the players obtained in the trade, the
draft picks and a FA.....go young like Toronto did...

Rizzo
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On Jul 10, 9:20 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 9:05 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 9:56 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....TakeThisOut@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > > > > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > > > > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> > > > Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> > > > is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> > > > less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> > > > dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> > > > the trade deadline.
>
> > > > John
>
> > > If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
> > > cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
> > > trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
> > > now....
>
> > > Rizzo
>
> > Not just the starting lineup (assuming that what is meant by roster)
> > but we are not deep anymore. I think that was one of the good things
> > about the old teams. Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Turkalu (sp?) and
> > others coming off the bench. Now the bench only has Salmons and
> > Garcia. We not only need a new PG but we need viable bench players.
> > Thomas and SARS will not cut it.
>
> That's why I'm thinking dump Bibby AND Artest to get more than two
> players who can play even if they are eventually going to be subs.
> Then you can get a FA and a couple draft picks next year and build
> something with Hawes, Kmart, the players obtained in the trade, the
> draft picks and a FA.....go young like Toronto did...


There is a rumor that Luke Ridnour might be available. While he is not
bibby, he would cost less money and is at least a decent PG. Package
him and a draft pick for Bibby. That might be win-win for both teams.
 >> Stay informed about: Artest&Bibby 

On Jul 11, 9:12 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 9:20 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 9:05 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 10, 9:56 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....RemoveThis@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > > > > > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > > > > > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> > > > > Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> > > > > is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> > > > > less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> > > > > dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> > > > > the trade deadline.
>
> > > > > John
>
> > > > If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
> > > > cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
> > > > trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
> > > > now....
>
> > > > Rizzo
>
> > > Not just the starting lineup (assuming that what is meant by roster)
> > > but we are not deep anymore. I think that was one of the good things
> > > about the old teams. Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Turkalu (sp?) and
> > > others coming off the bench. Now the bench only has Salmons and
> > > Garcia. We not only need a new PG but we need viable bench players.
> > > Thomas and SARS will not cut it.
>
> > That's why I'm thinking dump Bibby AND Artest to get more than two
> > players who can play even if they are eventually going to be subs.
> > Then you can get a FA and a couple draft picks next year and build
> > something with Hawes, Kmart, the players obtained in the trade, the
> > draft picks and a FA.....go young like Toronto did...
>
> There is a rumor that Luke Ridnour might be available. While he is not
> bibby, he would cost less money and is at least a decent PG. Package
> him and a draft pick for Bibby. That might be win-win for both teams.


I agree with you. Luke is a servicible PG with a lot of heart and
energy. I think the change of Scenery would do a lot for both
players....

Rizzo
 >> Stay informed about: Artest&Bibby 

On Jul 11, 11:45 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 9:12 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 9:20 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 10, 9:05 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 10, 9:56 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....DeleteThis@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > > > > > > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > > > > > > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> > > > > > Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> > > > > > is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> > > > > > less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> > > > > > dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> > > > > > the trade deadline.
>
> > > > > > John
>
> > > > > If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
> > > > > cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
> > > > > trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
> > > > > now....
>
> > > > > Rizzo
>
> > > > Not just the starting lineup (assuming that what is meant by roster)
> > > > but we are not deep anymore. I think that was one of the good things
> > > > about the old teams. Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Turkalu (sp?) and
> > > > others coming off the bench. Now the bench only has Salmons and
> > > > Garcia. We not only need a new PG but we need viable bench players.
> > > > Thomas and SARS will not cut it.
>
> > > That's why I'm thinking dump Bibby AND Artest to get more than two
> > > players who can play even if they are eventually going to be subs.
> > > Then you can get a FA and a couple draft picks next year and build
> > > something with Hawes, Kmart, the players obtained in the trade, the
> > > draft picks and a FA.....go young like Toronto did...
>
> > There is a rumor that Luke Ridnour might be available. While he is not
> > bibby, he would cost less money and is at least a decent PG. Package
> > him and a draft pick for Bibby. That might be win-win for both teams.
>
> I agree with you. Luke is a servicible PG with a lot of heart and
> energy. I think the change of Scenery would do a lot for both
> players....


But here is the scary part of my idea:

Jeff Green + Kevin Durant + Mike Bibby = playoff team.

Thats doesn't help us out much. So my idea goes down the drain. We
need a good serviceable PG from the East.

John
 >> Stay informed about: Artest&Bibby 

On Jul 11, 12:09 pm, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:45 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 9:12 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 10, 9:20 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 10, 9:05 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 10, 9:56 am, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 9, 7:17 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 7, 11:14 pm, "markao" <mar....DeleteThis@isp.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Kings looking to deal both.If they do don't expect anything great in
> > > > > > > > return.Just another sign that the light at the end of the tummel is fading
> > > > > > > > for Kings Fan.HI-HO...HI-HO...Off to another city the Kings GO
>
> > > > > > > Both wont get moved. That would be almost impossible. I think Artest
> > > > > > > is replaceable, but what you are going to get in return for Bibby is
> > > > > > > less than 50% of what we give up. I'm not so sure that neither will be
> > > > > > > dealt before the begining of the season and one will move just before
> > > > > > > the trade deadline.
>
> > > > > > > John
>
> > > > > > If they can get picks and a servicible player I'd dump both to clear
> > > > > > cap space and completely rebuild...Just think about the roster and
> > > > > > trying to get into the playoffs. It seems like a distant dream right
> > > > > > now....
>
> > > > > > Rizzo
>
> > > > > Not just the starting lineup (assuming that what is meant by roster)
> > > > > but we are not deep anymore. I think that was one of the good things
> > > > > about the old teams. Jon Barry, Bobby Jackson, Turkalu (sp?) and
> > > > > others coming off the bench. Now the bench only has Salmons and
> > > > > Garcia. We not only need a new PG but we need viable bench players.
> > > > > Thomas and SARS will not cut it.
>
> > > > That's why I'm thinking dump Bibby AND Artest to get more than two
> > > > players who can play even if they are eventually going to be subs.
> > > > Then you can get a FA and a couple draft picks next year and build
> > > > something with Hawes, Kmart, the players obtained in the trade, the
> > > > draft picks and a FA.....go young like Toronto did...
>
> > > There is a rumor that Luke Ridnour might be available. While he is not
> > > bibby, he would cost less money and is at least a decent PG. Package
> > > him and a draft pick for Bibby. That might be win-win for both teams.
>
> > I agree with you. Luke is a servicible PG with a lot of heart and
> > energy. I think the change of Scenery would do a lot for both
> > players....
>
> But here is the scary part of my idea:
>
> Jeff Green + Kevin Durant + Mike Bibby = playoff team.
>
> Thats doesn't help us out much. So my idea goes down the drain. We
> need a good serviceable PG from the East.
>
> John

I don't see Green, Durant and Bibby making up a playoff team,
sorry....In fact, Green impresses me very little. Bibby is on his way
down, and two rookies aren't going to carry you to the post season
unless they are James, Duncan etc.

Rizzo
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"Frank Rizzo" <champ91917 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 11, 9:12 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>> There is a rumor that Luke Ridnour might be available. While he is not
>> bibby, he would cost less money and is at least a decent PG. Package
>> him and a draft pick for Bibby. That might be win-win for both teams.
>
>
> I agree with you. Luke is a servicible PG with a lot of heart and
> energy. I think the change of Scenery would do a lot for both
> players....


I disagree. I think if Bibby were to see that the Kings dumped Artest and
held on for hope with Bibby then Bibby would kick ass this season. I say
keep Bibby.

NC
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