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Rumors: Artest Pushing Hard

By: Eric Pincus Last Updated: 7/15
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9480
RUMOR HAS IT…

Today's section is geared exclusively towards the latest rumors floating
around the NBA …

Much Left to be Resolved: While a few big name free agents have made their
decisions (Elton Brand, Baron Davis, etc), it's almost a week into the
signing period and more questions remain than answers.

The following is a breakdown of some of the major issues that need to be
resolved in the coming weeks and months:

Ron Artest: It's apparent that Artest no longer wants to be a Sacramento
King. A focused, happy Artest can be huge for a franchise. When he first
came to Sacramento, he led the team to the postseason and helped give the
San Antonio Spurs a scare in the first round.

Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with.

The Kings have a nice group of kids they're trying to develop into playoff
material in the West. Last season Artest was not a great influence - with
his blasting of rookie Coach Reggie Theus throughout the year.

He hasn't been in the Kings' long-term plans for some time and somehow just
realized it.

Artest is pushing for a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers although that's not
the only place he'll go. Recently he announced he didn't want to go to the
Denver Nuggets, obviously spurned that they decided not to pick him up at
the trade deadline because they wouldn't move Linas Kleiza.

Not a lot of teams are willing to acquire Artest considering the baggage.
Wherever he goes, he'll expect a long-term commitment.

Sam Amick (writing for the Sacramento Bee) cites sources that the Lakers
are willing to give up Lamar Odom but that the holdup may involve the
contract of Kenny Thomas - who the Kings insist goes with Artest as part of
a package deal.

While that may be the word out of Sacramento (Amick is well connected to
the team's decision-makers), the buzz out of LA is that the Lakers aren't
willing to give up Odom. They certainly aren't open to taking on Thomas.

Recent buzz has the Kings in talks with the Miami HEAT for Shawn Marion but
again, Miami isn't going to sacrifice their cap space next summer by
acquiring Thomas.

If Artest continues to speak publicly against the Kings, he'll only make it
more difficult for Sacramento to get equal value.

Since the perception is that Sacramento simply can't take Artest to
training camp, teams may hold out until the price drops.

Warriors: The Warriors are waiting to see if the Lakers match their offer
sheet for Ronny Turiaf. If LA lets him go, the Warriors will still have
some cap room (~$6 million) to spend. If not, they once again have major
space to work with.

It's important they use their cap space prior to re-signing Monta Ellis and
Andris Biedrins - otherwise it evaporates.

Word is the Warriors are going to take their time with Ellis but are avowed
to match any offer sheet.

Clippers: The Clippers are exploring their options. It's difficult to
lure a restricted free agent. They could offer $12 million starting to a
player like Josh Smith but that ties their money up for a week - and the
Atlanta Hawks would probably match.

LA could renounced additional players like Quinton Ross, Josh Powell (non-
guaranteed salary), Marcus Williams and Nick Fazekas to get their offer up
to $14 million in the first year - but is that really the best use of their
cap space?

That's why they're looking at other ideas - like trading for Zach Randolph
of the New York Knicks. The Knicks are reportedly looking to shed long
term contracts to get under the cap by 2010 (LeBron James, Dwyane Wade,
etc).

To date that's a dead end - but the Clippers are open for business and will
wait opportunistically for the right opportunity since they don't have to
match salaries in a trade.

Restricted free agents allegedly under consideration include Emeka Okafor,
Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Biedrins and Smith.

Posey: The race for James Posey seems to be coming down to the New Orleans
Hornets and Boston Celtics. If Posey returns to the Green, look for the
Hornets to seek out another option at or near the Mid-Level Exception -
perhaps Sasha Vujacic.

Also interested in Boston is Tyronn Lue who recently spurned interest from
the HEAT. He's also reportedly considering the Phoenix Suns.

Bulls: The Chicago Bulls are one of the most intriguing teams to watch
over the coming weeks. The priority is keeping Luol Deng but it's
difficult to gauge how much the Bulls will pay. Last year they made a
significant eight-figure offer to Deng that he turned down - that certainly
has to be at least the jump off point in negotiations this summer.

They certainly don't need to keep Ben Gordon with Derrick Rose, Kirk
Hinrich, Larry Hughes and Thabo Sefolosha under contract.

At issue is that none of the other players are truly capable of running the
point outside of Hinrich and Rose. The Bulls are wary of putting too much
pressure on Rose as a rookie - but equally Hinrich's salary may be too
expensive to hold onto.

Gordon is a capable scorer the team might look to keep but it's unlikely
they pay for Deng, Hinrich, Gordon, Hughes and Andres Nocioni. Expect
someone to go before all is said a done.

A number of teams are thought to have interest in Hinrich including the
Denver Nuggets and Lakers.

Sixers: Restricted free agency is a slow process but look for the Sixers
to retain Andre Iguodala. The only threat is a gigantic offer sheet from
the Clippers but that may be a stretch.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:45 am
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>Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with.

I dont't really believe that. First, he's never been coached by
someone of Phil's caliber. Second, he's never played alongside someone
like Kobe. I see them keeping him in check the way Phil and Mike kept
Dennis in check. With that said, I don't know if I'm completely sold
on getting rid of Lamar. His penetration and dishing in the lane
really opened up things for the rest of the guys. If Phil wants this
though, I'd be crazy to argue.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:25 am
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On Jul 15, 11:15 pm, Calen <yellowr... DeleteThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
> >Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with..
>
> I dont't really believe that. First, he's never been coached by
> someone of Phil's caliber. Second, he's never played alongside someone
> like Kobe. I see them keeping him in check the way Phil and Mike kept
> Dennis in check. With that said, I don't know if I'm completely sold
> on getting rid of Lamar. His penetration and dishing in the lane
> really opened up things for the rest of the guys. If Phil wants this
> though, I'd be crazy to argue.

Kobe has not demonstrated that he commands the same respect as MJ.
What happens when Kobe screams and glares at Artest? Instead of
rolling his eyes like some of Kobe's teammates do, Artest might break
Kobe's face.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:15 pm
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truegrit.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:15 pm, Calen <yellowr....TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with.
>> I dont't really believe that. First, he's never been coached by
>> someone of Phil's caliber. Second, he's never played alongside someone
>> like Kobe. I see them keeping him in check the way Phil and Mike kept
>> Dennis in check. With that said, I don't know if I'm completely sold
>> on getting rid of Lamar. His penetration and dishing in the lane
>> really opened up things for the rest of the guys. If Phil wants this
>> though, I'd be crazy to argue.
>
> Kobe has not demonstrated that he commands the same respect as MJ.
> What happens when Kobe screams and glares at Artest? Instead of
> rolling his eyes like some of Kobe's teammates do, Artest might break
> Kobe's face.



Artest has immense respect for Kobe. You're making up scenarios. I
don't see Kobe throwing beer on Artest, do you?


-JC
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:33 pm
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truegrit RemoveThis @my-deja.com wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:15 pm, Calen <yellowr... RemoveThis @prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with.
>> I dont't really believe that. First, he's never been coached by
>> someone of Phil's caliber. Second, he's never played alongside someone
>> like Kobe. I see them keeping him in check the way Phil and Mike kept
>> Dennis in check. With that said, I don't know if I'm completely sold
>> on getting rid of Lamar. His penetration and dishing in the lane
>> really opened up things for the rest of the guys. If Phil wants this
>> though, I'd be crazy to argue.
>
> Kobe has not demonstrated that he commands the same respect as MJ.
> What happens when Kobe screams and glares at Artest? Instead of
> rolling his eyes like some of Kobe's teammates do, Artest might break
> Kobe's face.

This is too plausible to be funny, and would be too funny to be
horrible, and too horrible to contemplate.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:45 pm
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On Jul 16, 12:15 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> trueg....RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 11:15 pm, Calen <yellowr....RemoveThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>> Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with.
> >> I dont't really believe that. First, he's never been coached by
> >> someone of Phil's caliber. Second, he's never played alongside someone
> >> like Kobe. I see them keeping him in check the way Phil and Mike kept
> >> Dennis in check. With that said, I don't know if I'm completely sold
> >> on getting rid of Lamar. His penetration and dishing in the lane
> >> really opened up things for the rest of the guys. If Phil wants this
> >> though, I'd be crazy to argue.
>
> > Kobe has not demonstrated that he commands the same respect as MJ.
> > What happens when Kobe screams and glares at Artest?  Instead of
> > rolling his eyes like some of Kobe's teammates do, Artest might break
> > Kobe's face.
>
> Artest has immense respect for Kobe.  You're making up scenarios.  I
> don't see Kobe throwing beer on Artest, do you?
>
> -JC

You're the one making things up. As if throwing beer on Artest (which
I never suggested) is the only thing that would set him off.

As for the "immense respect," Artest already has a history of saying
nice things and then doing the exact opposite, so I don't think anyone
should take him at his word. I mean, maybe he said he likes Kobe or
whatever, but then again, he said that he was happy about Reggie Theus
and that he wanted to retire as a King too.

Further, Kobe has only demonstrated the ability to play nice with
docile players like Pau and Lamar. With stars with competing egos,
like Shaq, not so well. Which category do you think Artest falls
into?

It might work, it might not, but I wouldn't just rest my hat on Phil
and Kobe's vaunted ability to tame wild childs.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:52 am
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truegrit.DeleteThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:15 pm, Calen <yellowr....DeleteThis@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Conversely, when Artest has an issue - he can be impossible to deal with.
>> I dont't really believe that. First, he's never been coached by
>> someone of Phil's caliber. Second, he's never played alongside someone
>> like Kobe. I see them keeping him in check the way Phil and Mike kept
>> Dennis in check. With that said, I don't know if I'm completely sold
>> on getting rid of Lamar. His penetration and dishing in the lane
>> really opened up things for the rest of the guys. If Phil wants this
>> though, I'd be crazy to argue.
>
> Kobe has not demonstrated that he commands the same respect as MJ.
> What happens when Kobe screams and glares at Artest? Instead of
> rolling his eyes like some of Kobe's teammates do, Artest might break
> Kobe's face.

And that could just be October :)

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:56 am
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truegrit RemoveThis @my-deja.com wrote:
> Further, Kobe has only demonstrated the ability to play nice with
> docile players like Pau and Lamar. With stars with competing egos,
> like Shaq, not so well. Which category do you think Artest falls
> into?

That's a great point I've never seen discussed. Ignoring Artest, could
Kobe play with *any* strong personality?

I don't think we can ever do anything other than guess until/unless it's tried.

> It might work, it might not, but I wouldn't just rest my hat on Phil
> and Kobe's vaunted ability to tame wild childs.

Phil's, yes, Kobe's, not so much, I see what you're saying.

Hmmm...

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:51 pm
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On Jul 17, 9:56 am, Gary Collard <d....DeleteThis@ddd.com> wrote:
> trueg....DeleteThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Further, Kobe has only demonstrated the ability to play nice with
> > docile players like Pau and Lamar. With stars with competing egos,
> > like Shaq, not so well. Which category do you think Artest falls
> > into?
>
> That's a great point I've never seen discussed. Ignoring Artest, could
> Kobe play with *any* strong personality?
>
> I don't think we can ever do anything other than guess until/unless it's tried.

I think we'll see if it can work if and when Bynum becomes the player
some people think he can be. I can see Bynum developing a strong
personality if he becomes a dominant center. And you want a little
fire in your players, especially your leaders. Hopefully Kobe will be
willing to bend a little when this happens. Right now, Bynum swallows
what's dished out because of his youth and place in the pecking
order. But that will change.

Kobe can co-exist with the right strong personalities. For example, a
guy who plays smart and with intensity and doesn't demand the ball.
Kevin Garnett, anyone? Unfortunately, with the exception of intensity
(and even that's not on a consistent basis), Artest doesn't meet the
criteria.

>
> > It might work, it might not, but I wouldn't just rest my hat on Phil
> > and Kobe's vaunted ability to tame wild childs.
>
> Phil's, yes, Kobe's, not so much, I see what you're saying.
>
> Hmmm...
>

I think Phil's the best at managing egos, but he's been riding his
reputation from the Bulls for a long time. He led the Lakers to three
championships, but Kobe and Shaq were at each other's throats and
eventually it fell apart. Even now, he has a tough time coaxing the
best out of guys like Lamar and Radmanovic. That was the thing that
Jordan brought to the table. His teammates gave it their all because
they were scared not to, yet had enough respect for Jordan so as not
to curl into a shell. Phil taught them how to play together and
Jordan made them.

Kobe on the other hand, still doesn't have that level of respect (and
his teammates don't have that level of fear). Someone like Artest, I
don't think is going to respond well to someone barking at him unless
he regards him a superior (like everyone universally regarded
Jordan). I think he thinks of Kobe as a friend, as a peer. Most
people don't respond well when their buddy is ordering them around,
and that's with mentally stable people, a class in which Artest may
not fully belong.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:02 pm
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truegrit.RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> On Jul 17, 9:56 am, Gary Collard <d....RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote:
> I think Phil's the best at managing egos, but he's been riding his
> reputation from the Bulls for a long time. He led the Lakers to three
> championships

Which says that he did a whole lot of managing of egos after leaving
Chicago. Indeed, probably more than when he was in Chicago.

> Even now, he has a tough time coaxing the
> best out of guys like Lamar and Radmanovic.

Radmanovic is a 9th-10th man on a good team. That he's asked to play a
role well above who he is on this team is not Phil's fault, it's the hand
he's dealt.

Odom, maybe, but as he nears 30 I have to wonder if he's just been unlucky
enough to play for a series of coaches who did not get the best out of him
or if they have all gotten out of him what he is - a 4th man on a good
team. At some point Lamar needs to bear just a little bit of the
responsibility for his career, don't you think?

> That was the thing that
> Jordan brought to the table. His teammates gave it their all because
> they were scared not to, yet had enough respect for Jordan so as not
> to curl into a shell. Phil taught them how to play together and
> Jordan made them.
>
> Kobe on the other hand, still doesn't have that level of respect (and
> his teammates don't have that level of fear). Someone like Artest, I
> don't think is going to respond well to someone barking at him unless
> he regards him a superior (like everyone universally regarded
> Jordan). I think he thinks of Kobe as a friend, as a peer. Most
> people don't respond well when their buddy is ordering them around,
> and that's with mentally stable people, a class in which Artest may
> not fully belong.

I pretty much agree with the rest of this. But that Kobe is not Jordan is,
again, not a criticism of him as it's not a fair comparison.

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