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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:55 am
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Warriors' Belinelli still inspires awe with his shooting in second summer in
Vegas

By Marcus Thompson II
Oakland Tribune
Article Launched: 07/18/2008 09:39:18 PM PDT

LAS VEGAS - Watching Warriors' second-year guard Marco Belinelli shoot, when
he's feeling it, is like watching the sunrise at Pebble Beach.

Breathtaking. Awe-inspiring. Beautiful.

Just ask the onlookers at UNLV, site of the 2008 NBA Summer League.

You can hear them gasp when Belinelli rises up suddenly rises up with his
easy form and snaps the net. A chorus of ooohs follow every pull-up, every
fade-away, every 3-pointer he takes with no regard for distance.

It makes you wonder what team couldn't use a stroke like that. It doesn't
seem to make sense that someone with such an outside touch could manage just
241 garbage-time minutes, as Belinelli did in his rookie season.

"I can't understand why he didn't play," said New York Knicks rookie forward
Danilo Gallinari, who played with Belinelli on the Italian national team.

The answer is fairly simple: One-trick ponies don't get playing time, not on
good teams - even when your trick is as good as Belinelli's.

So, in search of more playing time, the Warriors' first-round pick from 2007
(18th overall) has been developing more tricks.

He's been working on his defense and playing one-on-one with Warriors guard
C.J. Watson and forward Brandan Wright. He has worked on his dribbling and
improvising and spent a lot of time in summer league handling the ball and
creating his own shot.

Belinelli acknowledged he has trouble when teams pressure him, but he's good
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enough with the rock that he can push the ball in transition.

"I can shoot, but I want to do another thing," Belinelli said. "I want to be
the best player in the NBA. That is my mantra, you know. I want to be the
best (defender). I want to be the best teammate. All of those things."

To be sure, Belinelli needs to work on his shooting, too. He's at his best
in motion, off the dribble and in transition. His strength is not
necessarily standing in a spot, waiting for the ball and firing.

That would explain why Belinelli constantly loses to Chris Mullin, the
Warriors' executive vice president of basketball operations, in shooting
contests. Belinelli said when he made 7 of 12, Mullin would make nine. And
if Marco makes 10 of 12, Mullin knocks down 11.

"He's coming along with his shot," Warriors shooting coach Sidney Moncrief
said. "As long as he's running, he's very, very good. We're working with him
on developing more discipline with his setups in the half-court."

Some minutes have certainly opened up with swingman Mickael Pietrus signing
with the Orlando Magic. If shooting guard Kelenna Azubuike ends up with the
Los Angeles Clippers, who signed him to an offer sheet Thursday, the
Warriors will need someone to back up Corey Maggette, who figures to be the
starting shooting guard.

What's more, with the loss of star point guard Baron Davis, the Warriors
have signaled a commitment to the next generation. Even coach Don Nelson has
said he will do more developing this season.

Still, Belinelli's best chance of getting meaningful minutes this season is
to become more than just a shooter, no matter how pretty his stroke.

Notes: Point guard C.J. Watson had 24 points, six assists, four rebounds and
four steals, but it wasn't enough to beat Sacramento's summer league squad.
Quincy Douby had 36 to lead the Kings to a 96-91 victory. Rookie forward
Anthony Randolph had 16 points and six rebounds for the Warriors. Wright had
eight points on 2-for-11 shooting with 11 rebounds and Belinelli had six
points on 1-for-10 shooting. The Warriors had three chances to tie or win
the game in the final seconds, but turned the ball over all three teams. ...
Watson will not be joining the Warriors at the Rocky Mountain Revue summer
league in Salt Lake City. Instead, he will be attending Tim Grgurich camp in
Las Vegas, which is attended by many NBA players. He said his absence was
approved by coach Don Nelson. ... Louis Amundson, the power forward out of
UNLV, is close to signing with the Warriors, according to a source close to
the third-year player. The deal is for a minimum contract. Amundson is
seeking a guaranteed deal. Amundson also will not join the Warriors at the
Rocky Mountain Revue. ... A new player is expected to join the Warriors in
Salt Lake City: Jamont Gordon, a 6-foot-4 guard out of Grand Valley State
who played on Philadelphia's summer league team.

Contact Marcus Thompson II as mthomps2.TakeThisOut@bayareanewsgroup.com.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:55 am
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:55:26 -0500, "Robin Miller"
<Not_My RemoveThis @Real_Address.com> wrote:

>Warriors' Belinelli still inspires awe with his shooting in second summer in
>Vegas
>
>By Marcus Thompson II
>Oakland Tribune
>Article Launched: 07/18/2008 09:39:18 PM PDT
>
>LAS VEGAS - Watching Warriors' second-year guard Marco Belinelli shoot, when
>he's feeling it, is like watching the sunrise at Pebble Beach.
>
>Breathtaking. Awe-inspiring. Beautiful.
>
>Just ask the onlookers at UNLV, site of the 2008 NBA Summer League.
>
>You can hear them gasp when Belinelli rises up suddenly rises up with his
>easy form and snaps the net. A chorus of ooohs follow every pull-up, every
>fade-away, every 3-pointer he takes with no regard for distance.
>
>It makes you wonder what team couldn't use a stroke like that. It doesn't
>seem to make sense that someone with such an outside touch could manage just
>241 garbage-time minutes, as Belinelli did in his rookie season.
>
>"I can't understand why he didn't play," said New York Knicks rookie forward
>Danilo Gallinari, who played with Belinelli on the Italian national team.
>
>The answer is fairly simple: One-trick ponies don't get playing time, not on
>good teams - even when your trick is as good as Belinelli's.

The answer is even simpler than that. His one trick doesn't always work.

>"I can shoot, but I want to do another thing," Belinelli said. "I want to be
>the best player in the NBA. That is my mantra, you know. I want to be the
>best (defender).

He's a long, long, LONG way away from that.

>Some minutes have certainly opened up with swingman Mickael Pietrus signing
>with the Orlando Magic. If shooting guard Kelenna Azubuike ends up with the
>Los Angeles Clippers, who signed him to an offer sheet Thursday, the
>Warriors will need someone to back up Corey Maggette, who figures to be the
>starting shooting guard.

Small forward.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:53 pm
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Greg Lentz <nodamnspam DeleteThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in
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>>Some minutes have certainly opened up with swingman Mickael Pietrus
>>signing with the Orlando Magic. If shooting guard Kelenna Azubuike
>>ends up with the Los Angeles Clippers, who signed him to an offer
>>sheet Thursday, the Warriors will need someone to back up Corey
>>Maggette, who figures to be the starting shooting guard.
>
> Small forward.
>

Yeah, I figured SJax for the 2. Maggette as the 3. Not too bad, actually.
Would like to see some real PG help though.

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:53:50 GMT, Phantom Post <patrickt DeleteThis @myUNrealbox.com>
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>Greg Lentz <nodamnspam DeleteThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in
>news:29s684t18l0abfqhf1lke9g8jm81fs0foh@4ax.com:
>
>>>Some minutes have certainly opened up with swingman Mickael Pietrus
>>>signing with the Orlando Magic. If shooting guard Kelenna Azubuike
>>>ends up with the Los Angeles Clippers, who signed him to an offer
>>>sheet Thursday, the Warriors will need someone to back up Corey
>>>Maggette, who figures to be the starting shooting guard.
>>
>> Small forward.
>>
>
>Yeah, I figured SJax for the 2. Maggette as the 3. Not too bad, actually.
>Would like to see some real PG help though.

Yeah, but from where? And is it someone that can play with Monta or
someone to replace him so you can sign and trade him elsewhere?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:53 pm
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Greg Lentz wrote:

>> Yeah, I figured SJax for the 2. Maggette as the 3. Not too bad, actually.
>> Would like to see some real PG help though.
>
> Yeah, but from where? And is it someone that can play with Monta or
> someone to replace him so you can sign and trade him elsewhere?

_That's_ the problem. Last year, we were at the same point: "we need a
veteran PG". Plus we had a $10MM trade exception.

The problem isn't that the team isn't willing to go out and get one, so
much as what's available, relative to what we're willing to give up to
get it.

It's too bad we let the trade exception expire, but I think Mullin
really was convinced that there wasn't anything available that was
really worth it.

As for a veteran PG, the only name that's turning up is Stephan Marbury,
and as I noted separately, I don't think that's an upgrade, even if he
were to be signed for the Veteran Minimum.

Hey, I'd love to have Steve Nash, but even if age is beginning to slow
him a bit, there's no way the Suns will let him go, and certainly not at
a price that we can afford.

Several weeks ago (before BD's opt-out), I noted that although I want to
see us re-sign Monta, I'm not sure that keeping him is necessarily the
thing that is essential for long-term success. Monta was a second-round
draft choice, and a high schooler. Yes, we developed him, and we
definitely want to see the fruit of that investment, but the bottom line
is that he's still a SG, and those (and SFs) are the easiest to
develop/replace.

Since BD opted out, I do think we do need to keep him, but if BD had
stayed I think I would have been amenable to doing a sign-and-trade that
returned a PF (assuming that that kind of deal could be made). Speaking
of sign-and-trade deals, it's useful to note that an SG is generally
going to get you less back than one of the other positions.

Thus, going a step further, I'm of two minds of whether we match the
Clippers' offer to Azubuike. On on hand, I like Kelenna, and I think he
does have a future in the NBA, and it would be nice if it was with us.
and for this year's team (and next year, as well), his contract and role
fit the team. However, if we let him walk, I think we can replace him
in more or less the same way that we got him: somebody from the D-League
or trading for somebody else's second round draft choice (this year or
last year), on a team that's going to have a numbers situation when it
comes down to getting the roster size, come the regular season. For
that matter, we may be able to find a person that can be developed off
the waiver wire. However, for Kelenna himself, he's still a
complementary player. Nice to fit into the team, but not somebody you
build around.

We can hope that the Warriors might be able to pull off a playoff berth
this season, but I think this is more likely to be a developmental year,
where the focus is in maturing our young players, and the payoff will be
in the following year or two. I do think we're going the right
direction on overall talent, but we're going to have to wait for that
talent to mature.

I noted sometime last year that I would be OK with enduring one more
year of losses, no playoffs and the lottery, if doing so were
foundational for the team being a good contending team, for several
following. I still would prefer that trying to get it all together for
a run right now, and where it turns out that the high water mark is a
team that barely makes the playoffs, pulls an upset to get to the second
round, and then that's the high water mark, where everything falls
apart, and we go back to another decade in the wilderness, of being a
directionless team that's routinely playing for lottery positioning by
February.

Unfortunately, it's nearly as rare to be able to put together a megadeal
that suddenly makes us contenders as it is to be in position to be
serious contenders Right Now, as it is to be in a place to draft a Hall
of Fame caliber franchise player. For everybody else, it's a matter of
hoping you can draft well, drafting and developing young players (and
knowing that some won't develop), and shuffling rosters with
complementary players.

I do think that Mullin is on the right track, of acquiring young talent
that can mature more or less at the same time, and will allow for a run
of several years of contenting teams. And I do think it was the right
thing to let BD walk, if he wanted more money (and another max deal,
especially 6 years) to stay.

But we're still going to have to be patient for a little while longer.
At least we don't have Garry St Jean still trying to build around
complementary players, and making multi-team trades to acquire talent
that doesn't fit.

Smith
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:32 pm
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:04:30 -0700, NFN Smith
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>Greg Lentz wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, I figured SJax for the 2. Maggette as the 3. Not too bad, actually.
>>> Would like to see some real PG help though.
>>
>> Yeah, but from where? And is it someone that can play with Monta or
>> someone to replace him so you can sign and trade him elsewhere?
>
>_That's_ the problem. Last year, we were at the same point: "we need a
>veteran PG". Plus we had a $10MM trade exception.

I assume you mean a backup PG.

>The problem isn't that the team isn't willing to go out and get one, so
>much as what's available, relative to what we're willing to give up to
>get it.

Well, I think getting a backup PG last year was far more doable. Now
we're looking for a starting quality guy when there probably isn't a guy
that would fit and is available.

>It's too bad we let the trade exception expire, but I think Mullin
>really was convinced that there wasn't anything available that was
>really worth it.

Agreed.

>As for a veteran PG, the only name that's turning up is Stephan Marbury,
>and as I noted separately, I don't think that's an upgrade, even if he
>were to be signed for the Veteran Minimum.

Agreed.

>Several weeks ago (before BD's opt-out), I noted that although I want to
>see us re-sign Monta, I'm not sure that keeping him is necessarily the
>thing that is essential for long-term success. Monta was a second-round
>draft choice, and a high schooler. Yes, we developed him, and we
>definitely want to see the fruit of that investment, but the bottom line
>is that he's still a SG, and those (and SFs) are the easiest to
>develop/replace.

Agreed.

>We can hope that the Warriors might be able to pull off a playoff berth
>this season, but I think this is more likely to be a developmental year,
>where the focus is in maturing our young players, and the payoff will be
>in the following year or two. I do think we're going the right
>direction on overall talent, but we're going to have to wait for that
>talent to mature.

I'm not sure whether we're going the right direction, but this certainly
isn't a playoff year.

>But we're still going to have to be patient for a little while longer.
>At least we don't have Garry St Jean still trying to build around
>complementary players, and making multi-team trades to acquire talent
>that doesn't fit.

Well, Mullin's draft record is only so so. Belinelli and Wright are
looking like complementary players at best to me right now. Randolph
might be something if he cleans up the rough edges of his game.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:39 pm
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Greg Lentz <nodamnspam RemoveThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in
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> Yeah, but from where? And is it someone that can play with Monta or
> someone to replace him so you can sign and trade him elsewhere?
>

I'd prefer a big guard that could play alongside Ellis. Not sure
who/where. But, if Ellis is the PG then having the larger SJ and CM out
there, theoretically, could be good protection.

Another article on ESPN, or somewhere, said the W's were also looking at a
guard named Bobby Brown. I think he was undrafted and played overseas last
year. I think he's bigger than this other guy they're s'posed to be
looking at.

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>Greg Lentz <nodamnspam DeleteThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in
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>> Yeah, but from where? And is it someone that can play with Monta or
>> someone to replace him so you can sign and trade him elsewhere?
>>
>
>I'd prefer a big guard that could play alongside Ellis. Not sure
>who/where. But, if Ellis is the PG then having the larger SJ and CM out
>there, theoretically, could be good protection.

Except that none of those guys is real good at creating shots for other
people. Jackson and Ellis will do the pick and roll to a certain extent,
but neither is a great playmaker.

>Another article on ESPN, or somewhere, said the W's were also looking at a
>guard named Bobby Brown. I think he was undrafted and played overseas last
>year. I think he's bigger than this other guy they're s'posed to be
>looking at.

Yeah, I don't know much about him. Supposedly he might be on our next
summer league team.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:36 pm
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Greg Lentz <nodamnspam RemoveThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in
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> Except that none of those guys is real good at creating shots for other
> people. Jackson and Ellis will do the pick and roll to a certain extent,
> but neither is a great playmaker.
>

Jax is a better playmaker than Corey, probably. I was mostly liking the
combo for more size on the defensive end of things. I'm hoping the speed
makes up for the lack of halfcourt offensive types.

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:36:28 GMT, Phantom Post <patrickt.DeleteThis@myUNrealbox.com>
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>Greg Lentz <nodamnspam.DeleteThis@speakeasy.net> wrote in
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>> Except that none of those guys is real good at creating shots for other
>> people. Jackson and Ellis will do the pick and roll to a certain extent,
>> but neither is a great playmaker.
>
>Jax is a better playmaker than Corey, probably.

Oh no doubt. Maggette is a straight-up ballhog.

>I was mostly liking the combo for more size on the defensive end of things.

I do like that we are getting bigger defensively, though Maggette from all
I've read has no real enthusiasm for playing that end of the court either.

>I'm hoping the speed makes up for the lack of halfcourt offensive types.

Well, it will have to because we're gonna have a hard time doing much more
than pick and roll plays.
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