CELTICS CONTINUE TO DEBUNK MYTH OF "COACH" JACKSON

On Jun 13, 10:27 am, "Robert Chin" <bchin....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I know it hurts for you to know that your emperor has no clothes and you
> place your belief in a naked fool.  At least your not his type.

I find your ideas fascinating and would like to subscribe to your
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I know it hurts for you to know that your emperor has no clothes and you
place your belief in a naked fool. At least your not his type.
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"Robert Chin" <bchin_us.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well...still think this guy is one of the all time greats? With a NORMAL
> shooting night from either KG or PP in Game 3 and the series would have
> ended tonight.
>
> In both games, when the C's made their runs, their comebacks, their
> adjustments, what did Coach Jackson do? The usual. Give the ball to his
> "best" player and let him solve the problem.
>
> Well Coach, this time you don't have MJ. You don't have Shaq. You have
> an arrogant, selfish, snot nosed, asswipe.
>
> And you didn't have any answers. None. A "coach" of your "experience",
> or your "brilliance", of you "genius" stood by helplessly, unable to match
> adjustments with the coach on the other sideline. Unable to steady your
> troops. You just watched helplessly as the lead bled away from 26...to
> 20...to 15...to 9...to 5...to...Ooops, no more lead.
>
> Phile Jackson, TMC...Total Media Creation. In his entire coaching career,
> what has he done except ride the coat tails of the 2 most dominant players
> of the recent era? Calling you a "coach" is an insult to all real
> coaches, past and present. It's an insult to Larry Brown. It's an insult
> to Pat Riley. It's an insult to Don Nelson. It's the biggest insult to
> Red Auerbach.
>
> The C's, and more specifically, their COACH, Doc Rivers undress and unmask
> your fraud at every turn.
>
> I love this. There is only one carpetbagging bastard worse than you, and
> that's Rick Pitino. You and Kobitch deserve each other.

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Fire Phil Jackass and mark that last championship with a huge ASTERISK as a
gift from criminal refs.

Doc Rivers outcoached your "zen master" ass ... LOL :)))
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In article <HTD4k.207335$yE1.129526@attbi_s21>,
Skeptic <bcs002b DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Did previous teams not focus on Kobe? Didn't he shoot like 53% or so
>against the Spurs? And if LA is treating the once top 10 scorer in the
>league as afterthought, you might want to change coaches before game 5.



Different teams have different strategies. Utah and Denver didn't really
gear their games to stop Kobe. San Antonio did, but they didn't have the
athletes. The focus here isn't why the Celtics are doing better than San
Antonio (they have a better defense, duh). It's why is Kobe performing
worse than Ray Allen. Well, single-cover Kobe the way Ray Allen is played
and see if that's true.


BTW, Ray Allen is not that same player anymore. The Lakers are not
designing their defense to stop him. They are focusing on Garnett, which
you may have noticed if you watch the games and look at Garnett's stats.
Or are you going to tell us that Ray Allen is a better player than either
Pierce or Garnett now? Allen is "outplaying" them both.


Dimitri
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.TakeThisOut@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
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> In article <HTD4k.207335$yE1.129526@attbi_s21>,
> Skeptic <bcs002b.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Did previous teams not focus on Kobe? Didn't he shoot like 53% or so
>>against the Spurs? And if LA is treating the once top 10 scorer in the
>>league as afterthought, you might want to change coaches before game 5.
>
>
>
> Different teams have different strategies. Utah and Denver didn't really
> gear their games to stop Kobe. San Antonio did, but they didn't have the
> athletes.

Ohhhh.... I see. So SA, one of the best defensive teams for the year, just
didn't really have a way to stop one shooting guard. Uh huh.

> The focus here isn't why the Celtics are doing better than San
> Antonio (they have a better defense, duh). It's why is Kobe performing
> worse than Ray Allen. Well, single-cover Kobe the way Ray Allen is played
> and see if that's true.

Oh, I give plenty of credit to the Celtic defense. I also give credit to
Ray.

> BTW, Ray Allen is not that same player anymore.

It would appear neither is Kobe.

> The Lakers are not
> designing their defense to stop him.

As evidenced by their willingness to let the game's purest shooter get open
looks.

> They are focusing on Garnett, which
> you may have noticed if you watch the games and look at Garnett's stats.

If that's true they should re-evaluate their game plan.

> Or are you going to tell us that Ray Allen is a better player than either
> Pierce or Garnett now? Allen is "outplaying" them both.

Never said anything like that.

>
> Dimitri
>
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In article <wJX4k.154341$TT4.147506@attbi_s22>,
Skeptic <bcs002b.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Different teams have different strategies. Utah and Denver didn't really
>> gear their games to stop Kobe. San Antonio did, but they didn't have the
>> athletes.
>
>Ohhhh.... I see. So SA, one of the best defensive teams for the year, just
>didn't really have a way to stop one shooting guard. Uh huh.


Nope. Most of the league doesn't. That's why he's the MVP.


>> The focus here isn't why the Celtics are doing better than San
>> Antonio (they have a better defense, duh). It's why is Kobe performing
>> worse than Ray Allen. Well, single-cover Kobe the way Ray Allen is played
>> and see if that's true.
>
>Oh, I give plenty of credit to the Celtic defense. I also give credit to
>Ray.


For what?


>> The Lakers are not
>> designing their defense to stop him.
>
>As evidenced by their willingness to let the game's purest shooter get open
>looks.


You have to pick your poison. Allen is the weakest of the Celtics threats
and so he's the beneficiary of less attention.


>> They are focusing on Garnett, which
>> you may have noticed if you watch the games and look at Garnett's stats.
>
>If that's true they should re-evaluate their game plan.


They should let Garnett go for 30 and 20?


>> Or are you going to tell us that Ray Allen is a better player than either
>> Pierce or Garnett now? Allen is "outplaying" them both.
>
>Never said anything like that.


If you want to compare Allen and Kobe on the stat sheet then you have to
compare Allen, Pierce, and Garnett on the stat sheet. Allen is
outperforming both Garnett and Pierce.


Dimitri
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On Jun 15, 6:58�am, "Skeptic" <bcs0....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "D. Gerasimatos" <d....DeleteThis@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
>
> news:g3254h$o51$1@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU...
>
> > In article <wJX4k.154341$TT4.147506@attbi_s22>,
> > Skeptic <bcs0....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Different teams have different strategies. Utah and Denver didn't really
> >>> gear their games to stop Kobe. San Antonio did, but they didn't have the
> >>> athletes.
>
> >>Ohhhh.... I see. �So SA, one of the best defensive teams for the year,
> >>just
> >>didn't really have a way to stop one shooting guard. �Uh huh.
>
> > Nope. Most of the league doesn't. That's why he's the MVP.
>
> Lebron or Garnett should have been the MVP. �Kobe is the MVP this year for
> the same reasons the "experts" picked LA to win the series- unjustified
> hype.
>
> >>> The focus here isn't why the Celtics are doing better than San
> >>> Antonio (they have a better defense, duh). It's why is Kobe performing
> >>> worse than Ray Allen. Well, single-cover Kobe the way Ray Allen is
> >>> played
> >>> and see if that's true.
>
> >>Oh, I give plenty of credit to the Celtic defense. �I also give credit to
> >>Ray.
>
> > For what?
>
> wow - a demonstration in ignorance or pure denial.
>
> >>> The Lakers are not
> >>> designing their defense to stop him.
>
> >>As evidenced by their willingness to let the game's purest shooter get
> >>open
> >>looks.
>
> > You have to pick your poison. Allen is the weakest of the Celtics threats
> > and so he's the beneficiary of less attention.
>
> Pierce has been the most consistent, dangerous offensive weapon. �BUT, of
> any Celtic, the one guy would torch any team would be Ray Allen if he were
> left unguarded. �He is a pure shooter and he shoots when he's got a few
> inches of breathing room. �The difference with Ray is that he is not a great
> playmaker in terms of freeing himself up (though he's also not as bad at it
> as others seem to think). �IOW, defensively, any thought of not giving Ray
> equal attention is foolish.
>
> >>> They are focusing on Garnett, which
> >>> you may have noticed if you watch the games and look at Garnett's stats.
>
> >>If that's true they should re-evaluate their game plan.
>
> > They should let Garnett go for 30 and 20?
>
> He's not that kind of player. �He limits himself.
>
> >>> Or are you going to tell us that Ray Allen is a better player than
> >>> either
> >>> Pierce or Garnett now? Allen is "outplaying" them both.
>
> >>Never said anything like that.
>
> > If you want to compare Allen and Kobe on the stat sheet then you have to
> > compare Allen, Pierce, and Garnett on the stat sheet. Allen is
> > outperforming both Garnett and Pierce.
>
> I don't have to compare anyone I don't want to compare. �Since YOU want to
> compare them, I'd say Ray is more than holding his own. �In comparison to
> Kobe, Allen is just as as good and maybe better from a TEAM perspective.
> Kobe in place of Allen on the C's, for example, probably would have sunk the
> C's and they would NOT have won 66 games this year. �They probably wouldn't
> have made the finals, either. �He's just too selfish.
>
This is absolutely incredible...you state that having the NBA league
MVP on the Celtics in place of that spot up shooter R. Allen would
make them a worse team!? my gawd..

> But you LA fans don't ever want to work that into your evaluation of him.
> You move aside his selfishness just like the Philly fans always have for
> Iverson. �Ignorance is bliss.

Seems to me that the Lakers, down to each and every individual player
and coach, have stated this season that Kobe is having his finest year
and he was rightfully awarded the highest honor in being the league
MVP. Kobe did not win the MVP being selfish. Kobe is the face of the
Laker franchise and has accepted the responsibility that goes with the
attention. Not one person can question his desire to win, not one
person can question his work ethic. Your opinion of him is dated..and
now you compare him to AI?!?..my gawd again. The word "fan" is short
for "fanatic"
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On Jun 12, 10:18 pm, "Robert Chin" <bchin....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well...still think this guy is one of the all time greats?  With a NORMAL
> shooting night from either KG or PP in Game 3 and the series would have
> ended tonight.
>
> In both games, when the C's made their runs, their comebacks, their
> adjustments, what did Coach Jackson do?  The usual.  Give the ball to his
> "best" player and let him solve the problem.
>
> Well Coach, this time you don't have MJ.  You don't have Shaq.  You have an
> arrogant, selfish, snot nosed, asswipe.
>
> And you didn't have any answers.  None.  A "coach" of your "experience", or
> your "brilliance", of you "genius" stood by helplessly, unable to match
> adjustments with the coach on the other sideline.  Unable to steady your
> troops.  You just watched helplessly as the lead bled away from 26...to
> 20...to 15...to 9...to 5...to...Ooops, no more lead.
>
> Phile Jackson, TMC...Total Media Creation.  In his entire coaching career,
> what has he done except ride the coat tails of the 2 most dominant players
> of the recent era?  Calling you a "coach" is an insult to all real coaches,
> past and present.  It's an insult to Larry Brown.  It's an insult to Pat
> Riley.  It's an insult to Don Nelson.  It's the biggest insult to Red
> Auerbach.
>
> The C's, and more specifically, their COACH, Doc Rivers undress and unmask
> your fraud at every turn.
>
> I love this.  There is only one carpetbagging bastard worse than you, and
> that's Rick Pitino.  You and Kobitch deserve each other.

I thought it was Jamie and Adam that were the mythbusters.
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:18:55 -0400, "Robert Chin" <bchin_us DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Well...still think this guy is one of the all time greats? With a NORMAL
>shooting night from either KG or PP in Game 3 and the series would have
>ended tonight.
>
>In both games, when the C's made their runs, their comebacks, their
>adjustments, what did Coach Jackson do? The usual. Give the ball to his
>"best" player and let him solve the problem.

Don't forget the timeouts. "Jackson calls timeouts better than any
coach in the game." Jackson left a timeout on the board in game four.
When his strategy of calling timouts in the second half didn't work
his bad decisions were exposed. He had the Euros in the game shooting
bricks with the lead slipping away. (Doc actually called the one or
two timeouts that mattered in that game.) The myth of both Jackson
and Kobe "no one closes a game likeKobe" Bryant have both been
debunked.

Just out of curiousity, how many times did Michael Jordan get hosed
3-1, or maybe even 4-1, in his finals career? (Kobe has done it at
least twice now.)

--
Kobe is no Michael Jordan
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim DeleteThis @soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
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> In article <wJX4k.154341$TT4.147506@attbi_s22>,
> Skeptic <bcs002b DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Different teams have different strategies. Utah and Denver didn't really
>>> gear their games to stop Kobe. San Antonio did, but they didn't have the
>>> athletes.
>>
>>Ohhhh.... I see. So SA, one of the best defensive teams for the year,
>>just
>>didn't really have a way to stop one shooting guard. Uh huh.
>
> Nope. Most of the league doesn't. That's why he's the MVP.

Lebron or Garnett should have been the MVP. Kobe is the MVP this year for
the same reasons the "experts" picked LA to win the series- unjustified
hype.

>>> The focus here isn't why the Celtics are doing better than San
>>> Antonio (they have a better defense, duh). It's why is Kobe performing
>>> worse than Ray Allen. Well, single-cover Kobe the way Ray Allen is
>>> played
>>> and see if that's true.
>>
>>Oh, I give plenty of credit to the Celtic defense. I also give credit to
>>Ray.
>
> For what?

wow - a demonstration in ignorance or pure denial.

>>> The Lakers are not
>>> designing their defense to stop him.
>>
>>As evidenced by their willingness to let the game's purest shooter get
>>open
>>looks.
>
> You have to pick your poison. Allen is the weakest of the Celtics threats
> and so he's the beneficiary of less attention.

Pierce has been the most consistent, dangerous offensive weapon. BUT, of
any Celtic, the one guy would torch any team would be Ray Allen if he were
left unguarded. He is a pure shooter and he shoots when he's got a few
inches of breathing room. The difference with Ray is that he is not a great
playmaker in terms of freeing himself up (though he's also not as bad at it
as others seem to think). IOW, defensively, any thought of not giving Ray
equal attention is foolish.

>>> They are focusing on Garnett, which
>>> you may have noticed if you watch the games and look at Garnett's stats.
>>
>>If that's true they should re-evaluate their game plan.
>
> They should let Garnett go for 30 and 20?

He's not that kind of player. He limits himself.

>>> Or are you going to tell us that Ray Allen is a better player than
>>> either
>>> Pierce or Garnett now? Allen is "outplaying" them both.
>>
>>Never said anything like that.
>
> If you want to compare Allen and Kobe on the stat sheet then you have to
> compare Allen, Pierce, and Garnett on the stat sheet. Allen is
> outperforming both Garnett and Pierce.

I don't have to compare anyone I don't want to compare. Since YOU want to
compare them, I'd say Ray is more than holding his own. In comparison to
Kobe, Allen is just as as good and maybe better from a TEAM perspective.
Kobe in place of Allen on the C's, for example, probably would have sunk the
C's and they would NOT have won 66 games this year. They probably wouldn't
have made the finals, either. He's just too selfish.

But you LA fans don't ever want to work that into your evaluation of him.
You move aside his selfishness just like the Philly fans always have for
Iverson. Ignorance is bliss.
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On Jun 15, 6:31�pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "MMM" <madmanmoo....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:602c60bb-7f08-40cf-bac1-9cc829ff4049@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Perkins C
> KG PF
> Pierce SF
> Bryant G
> Rondo G
> Are you so blind you can not see the possibilities with that proposed
> line-up? This would be an absolute nightmare for any team to match up
> against. Do I really have to explain how having a deadly sharp-
> shooting 2 guard who also can drive to the basket as well as or better
> than just about any player in the nba..and oh yeah, lest we not forget
> about the double teams he draws, could be beneficial to the Celtics?
> This is so simple it's ridiculously retarded. But your stance is that
> Kobe is a ball hog with a bad attitude...whatever.
>
> ********************************************************************
> REPLY:
>
> So how many games would that team have won? �80?
>
> I think Bryant, who is NOT a sharp shooter in the same sense as Allen is,
> would have been a team distraction and Pierce and KG would have been doing
> more watching the offense rather than being a part of it and the team would
> have suffered. �Kobe effect (aka, Iverson effect).

Your disagreement with me is obviously Kobe's attitude. That's a no
win position for you to take. This is simply your opinion in which I
feel no obligation to attempt in enlightening you. Laker fans are used
to this dribble by other fans..it is recognized as jealousy.
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"MMM" <madmanmoon05 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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Perkins C
KG PF
Pierce SF
Bryant G
Rondo G
Are you so blind you can not see the possibilities with that proposed
line-up? This would be an absolute nightmare for any team to match up
against. Do I really have to explain how having a deadly sharp-
shooting 2 guard who also can drive to the basket as well as or better
than just about any player in the nba..and oh yeah, lest we not forget
about the double teams he draws, could be beneficial to the Celtics?
This is so simple it's ridiculously retarded. But your stance is that
Kobe is a ball hog with a bad attitude...whatever.

********************************************************************
REPLY:

So how many games would that team have won? 80?

I think Bryant, who is NOT a sharp shooter in the same sense as Allen is,
would have been a team distraction and Pierce and KG would have been doing
more watching the offense rather than being a part of it and the team would
have suffered. Kobe effect (aka, Iverson effect).
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