CELTICS CONTINUE TO DEBUNK MYTH OF "COACH" JACKSON

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On Jun 17, 1:33?pm, theBZA <dewey3kNOS... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> "Skeptic" <bcs0... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
> innews:M6V5k.158459$TT4.117574@attbi_s22:
>
> > I'm sure that had a point but must have stopped short of making it.
> > Again, if Kobe were a complete player, he would take players like
> > Gasol and Odom and make them into real offensive threats so that teams
> > would not be able to spend so much attention stopping Kobe. ?It's
> > funny you mention Odom has a high FG%.... he gets most of his points
> > opportunistically with rebounds or rolling on pick and rolls from Kobe
> > double teams. ?It's not that he is a great scorer. ?His teammate just
> > draws a lot of attention.
>
> So you are saying that because of Kobe, Odom becomes a better player
> because he gets better looks when Kobe is double-teamed. That
> contradicts your litmus test that Kobe does not make Odom more of an
> offensive threat. SCottie Pippen's two best seasons PPG-wise were while
> MJ was playing baseball. Those were also his last two seasons shooting
> over 48%. They were also 2 of the three highest FTA seasons he had. So,
> did MJ make Pippen more of an offensive threat? Your logic, such as it
> is, is circular and self-defeating.

I think the C's fans, like other Kobe haters, try to devalue how good
he is for their own psychological imbalanced needs. They basically are
afraid of him and so they try to convince others, but mostly
themselves, that he is not that good. Anyone who has watched Kobe play
is either not being truthful or just plain delusional if they don't
admit he is the best player in the game today and has no peers. All
you have to do is to see how many Lakers fans show up to watch the
Lakers play road games. And also why, even in Boston, the chants of
MVP echoed through the stadium.

But I have to hand it to some of the C's in this thread - they have
used up a lot of bandwidth trying to convince themselves and us that
Kobe is just another player. Now that's respect!

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Throughout all these discussions, I have seen and given multiple well
reasoned arguments to suggest the counter of your view. You Kobe Jockers
just fall back on indignation that His Greatness is not obvious and needs no
explanation. You say that because you know, subconsciously or other, that
you can't provide a good coherent argument for his being even a fraction as
great as you (and the Mediots) hype him to be.
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.DeleteThis@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
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> In article <N7V5k.212842$yE1.65379@attbi_s21>,
> Skeptic <bcs002b.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.DeleteThis@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
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>>> In article <e3G5k.211852$yE1.161728@attbi_s21>,
>>> Skeptic <bcs002b.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> [snip!]
>>>>
>>>>Kobe is a tall version of Iverson. If that bothers you, think of
>>>>Iverson
>>>>as
>>>>a short version of Kobe.
>>>
>>>
>>> And both of them are better than Paul Pierce.
>>
>>And Pierce is better than Gasol. Your point?
>
>
>
> So in your world:
>
>
> Kobe = Iverson > Pierce > Gasol
>
>
> I just wanted to hear you say Kobe was the best player on the court.
> Thanks for acknowledging that.

I didn't. KG wasn't included in the above exchange. And for the record, if
I'm starting an NBA team and have to choose between Pierce and Kobe, I take
Pierce. I'd take KG before either though.
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Lakers should have stayed at home.

Spared them the embarrassment.
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In article <bY_5k.158855$TT4.46870@attbi_s22>,
"Skeptic" <bcs002b.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Lakers should have stayed at home.
>
> Spared them the embarrassment.

.... and to think, i made a beer run for this.
This had better be one hell of a 4t qtr comeback!
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" bozak" <________bozak1 DeleteThis @gmail.com________> wrote in message
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> Skeptic wrote:
>> "D. Gerasimatos" <dim DeleteThis @soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> Pierce on Kobe:
>>>
>>>
>>> "He's the whole focus for us," Pierce said. "He's a guy who can beat
>>> you all by himself, so the whole game plan is (based) on stopping him
>>> and making other guys beat us. It's just unfortunate that we let the
>>> other guys beat us."
>>>
>>> Wake me when Ray Allen is the entire focus of the Lakers' defense.
>>
>> I never said he was was - straw man argument. You could easily argue
>> that
>> playing against the Sixer team that went to the Finals, the focus of the
>> defenses was to stop AI. So more proof that AI and Kobe are very
>> similar.
>>
>> As for Allen, this is exactly why he would have been a bad fit in Boston.
>> He would have detracted from the other players and made the Celtics less
>> of
>> a team and more of a Kobe show. Kobe shows don't and won't win
>> championships. Teams do.
>>
>> You'll be able to see that for yourself tonight. If Kobe were truly a
>> team
>> player, he'd be able to get Odom and Gasol to the point where they were
>> considered offensive threats enough to not be able to just focus on one
>> guy.
>> That sort of ball hoggedness is LA's undoing. The only player in the
>> history of basketball that has been able to do that and win was MJ. But
>> as
>> Kobe continues to prove, he is nowhere near as talented as MJ.
>
> after series, print and eat...

Want some salt and pepper to go with that foot???
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theBZA wrote:
> "Skeptic" <bcs002b DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:M6V5k.158459$TT4.117574@attbi_s22:
>
>> I'm sure that had a point but must have stopped short of making it.
>> Again, if Kobe were a complete player, he would take players like
>> Gasol and Odom and make them into real offensive threats so that teams
>> would not be able to spend so much attention stopping Kobe. It's
>> funny you mention Odom has a high FG%.... he gets most of his points
>> opportunistically with rebounds or rolling on pick and rolls from Kobe
>> double teams. It's not that he is a great scorer. His teammate just
>> draws a lot of attention.
>
> So you are saying that because of Kobe, Odom becomes a better player
> because he gets better looks when Kobe is double-teamed. That
> contradicts your litmus test that Kobe does not make Odom more of an
> offensive threat. SCottie Pippen's two best seasons PPG-wise were while
> MJ was playing baseball. Those were also his last two seasons shooting
> over 48%. They were also 2 of the three highest FTA seasons he had. So,
> did MJ make Pippen more of an offensive threat? Your logic, such as it
> is, is circular and self-defeating.
>



Incorrect analysis. Pippen could create his own shots and was a monster
finisher. That's not the case with Lamar, and it never will be. To top
it off, he's clearly on the downside of his career, meaning he's slower
and less athletic. Hell, the guy can barely jump. How many times does
he finish with a dunk? Not often.

-JC
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On Jun 18, 5:57�pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "MMM" <madmanmoo... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> news:53acd722-8fbc-4f1e-9b86-290b41da487a@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 17, 8:05?pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Lakers should have stayed at home.
>
> > Spared them the embarrassment.
>
> Setting aside differences..congrats on a great season. This has been a
> remarkable year for the Celts and they deserve everything they have
> worked so hard to gain. Well done.
>
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> I wish I could take any amount of credit for them!

Outstanding reply..but keep in mind fans, although having a relatively
small role in a teams success, they do have a roll. I'm sure you heard
the crowd last night and every other home game for the Celts..the fans
were fantastic. They were in it from the tip-off every game and I can
honestly say seemed more supportive than the attending fans at the
Laker home games. Don't get me wrong, Laker fans are the best but when
the playoffs roll around and the ticket prices are about the cost of a
new car, you see more of the late to arrive and there-to-be-seen crowd
than at a typical Laker game. Every team needs support..by attendence
or gear purchases or just watching the games on the tube. Take some
credit, enjoy the Summer..represent as reigning champions and hope we
can do this all over again next season.
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"MMM" <madmanmoon05.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 17, 8:05?pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lakers should have stayed at home.
>
> Spared them the embarrassment.

Setting aside differences..congrats on a great season. This has been a
remarkable year for the Celts and they deserve everything they have
worked so hard to gain. Well done.

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I wish I could take any amount of credit for them!
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