Casey and McHale : Not on the same page

We could have fun debating whether or not McHale and Casey,
when it comes to judging talent, actually have a brain worth
sharing.

Before we go too ga-ga over Mr. Foye, we should consider
the following analysis over on 82games:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2006.htm

: Randy Foye, SG, Villanova
: % Chance to Start - 10.19%
: Was similar to: Bob Sura, Derek Fisher, Jimmy King
: Foye fits the most common type of player with the highest bust rate,
: which is the undersized two, not really a point guard position. That
: doesn't bode too well for Foye, but he does have the tools to buck
the
: odds. Also, he shown significant improvement over his four year
career,
: but at 22, he might have topped out. So, he projects to be player off
the
: bench in the mold of Fred Jones.

The Wolves must be looking at Foye as a PG who can *maybe* develop
behind Banks (if they resign him - and they wouldn't want to draft an
obvious
threat to Banks just now, say Rajon Rondo). But isn't that what we
think
about Bracey Wright, too?

ikrushlots.RemoveThis@aol.com wrote:
> There is no presuming about Mchale. He said he wanted Foye, and even
> hid it from other Wolves execs so it didn't get leaked. From what I've
> heard, read and seen, I agree with Mchale on this one.
>
> As for disagreement between Casey and McHale, I wouldn't expect them to
> share a brain. I imagine that there are a lot of coaches that would
> make different picks if they were the GM. As long as they can work
> together, that's all that matters.
>
> levi wrote:
> > hmmm...no experience vs poor performance...
> >
> > Blogged by: Britt Robson at June 28, 2006 11:18 PM
> > : When I asked Coach Casey (the only one to come down between the
> > : first and second round picks) who the Wolves would have kept in the
> > first
> > : round if there were no "cash considerations" with Portland, he
> > answered
> > : "that's a very good question" and admitted that the upstairs
> > braintrust "
> > : was really split" between the two players. But it was pretty clear
> > that
> > : Casey was a Roy guy and others, presumably McHale, was a Foye guy.
> > : Maybe this got explained further when McHale eventually came down (I
> > : left early). In any case, the impression remains that Casey and
> > McHale
> > : have never totally been on the same page. I'm not saying that's
> > necessarily
> > : a bad thing, but I think it is a real thing that needs to be factored
> > when
> > : considering the behavior of the franchise and possible future
> > actions.
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Araxen wrote:
<snip>
> >
>
> Casey is going to get an early exit this season, imo.

Supposedly, Casey is trying to mold the Wolves into a
uptempo, fastbreak team. I just started trying to imagine
the current Wolves roster trying to play a game similar to
Seattle, Phoenix or Dallas.

Troy Hudson, Ricky Davis, and Eddie Griffin all firing
up quick treys.

Clangggggg.

Yep. You're probably right.
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levi wrote:
> hmmm...no experience vs poor performance...
>
> Blogged by: Britt Robson at June 28, 2006 11:18 PM
> : When I asked Coach Casey (the only one to come down between the
> : first and second round picks) who the Wolves would have kept in the
> first
> : round if there were no "cash considerations" with Portland, he
> answered
> : "that's a very good question" and admitted that the upstairs
> braintrust "
> : was really split" between the two players. But it was pretty clear
> that
> : Casey was a Roy guy and others, presumably McHale, was a Foye guy.
> : Maybe this got explained further when McHale eventually came down (I
> : left early). In any case, the impression remains that Casey and
> McHale
> : have never totally been on the same page. I'm not saying that's
> necessarily
> : a bad thing, but I think it is a real thing that needs to be factored
> when
> : considering the behavior of the franchise and possible future
> actions.
>

Casey is going to get an early exit this season, imo.
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If Bracey is going to stick, don't they have to send Marko Jaric
somewhere? They can't afford to keep him around to brood. Brooding
Balkan at the end of the Bench does not Bode well. I think you either
have to play Jaric, or move him.

I also think the key to this team is finding a way of getting Blount
out of town. Either pay him to sit out the year, or move him somewhere
and agree to pay a portion of his pay. His ineptitude is deadly. I
don't care how much of a great guy he is, according to Madsen's blog.

Andy
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levi wrote:
> We could have fun debating whether or not McHale and Casey,
> when it comes to judging talent, actually have a brain worth
> sharing.
>
> Before we go too ga-ga

?

>over Mr. Foye, we should consider
> the following analysis over on 82games:
>
> http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2006.htm

Projecting NCAA stats to the NBA is a silly way to analyze a draft. In
a few years we'll see how accurate, or more likely inaccurate, his
ranking is.

> : Randy Foye, SG, Villanova
> : % Chance to Start - 10.19%
> : Was similar to: Bob Sura, Derek Fisher, Jimmy King

Foye's game is nothing like these three. None were ever explosive
players that take it to the rim. Maybe he won't succeed, but it won't
be because he is similar to Derek Fisher.

> : Foye fits the most common type of player with the highest bust rate,
> : which is the undersized two, not really a point guard position.

Not anymore, not with the new rules. This season's playoffs alone, we
watched Wade, Terry, Arenas, Billups, Gordon, Barbosa and Mobley have
much success.

>That
> : doesn't bode too well for Foye, but he does have the tools to buck
> the
> : odds. Also, he shown significant improvement over his four year
> career,
> : but at 22, he might have topped out. So, he projects to be player off
> the
> : bench in the mold of Fred Jones.
>
> The Wolves must be looking at Foye as a PG who can *maybe* develop
> behind Banks (if they resign him - and they wouldn't want to draft an
> obvious
> threat to Banks just now, say Rajon Rondo). But isn't that what we
> think
> about Bracey Wright, too?

You can never have too many good perimeter players these days. *If*
Foye, McCants, Banks and Wright develop into good players, the Wolves
will be positioned for success.

> ikrushlots DeleteThis @aol.com wrote:
> > There is no presuming about Mchale. He said he wanted Foye, and even
> > hid it from other Wolves execs so it didn't get leaked. From what I've
> > heard, read and seen, I agree with Mchale on this one.
> >
> > As for disagreement between Casey and McHale, I wouldn't expect them to
> > share a brain. I imagine that there are a lot of coaches that would
> > make different picks if they were the GM. As long as they can work
> > together, that's all that matters.
> >
> > levi wrote:
> > > hmmm...no experience vs poor performance...
> > >
> > > Blogged by: Britt Robson at June 28, 2006 11:18 PM
> > > : When I asked Coach Casey (the only one to come down between the
> > > : first and second round picks) who the Wolves would have kept in the
> > > first
> > > : round if there were no "cash considerations" with Portland, he
> > > answered
> > > : "that's a very good question" and admitted that the upstairs
> > > braintrust "
> > > : was really split" between the two players. But it was pretty clear
> > > that
> > > : Casey was a Roy guy and others, presumably McHale, was a Foye guy.
> > > : Maybe this got explained further when McHale eventually came down (I
> > > : left early). In any case, the impression remains that Casey and
> > > McHale
> > > : have never totally been on the same page. I'm not saying that's
> > > necessarily
> > > : a bad thing, but I think it is a real thing that needs to be factored
> > > when
> > > : considering the behavior of the franchise and possible future
> > > actions.
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Andy H wrote:
> If Bracey is going to stick, don't they have to send Marko Jaric
> somewhere? They can't afford to keep him around to brood. Brooding
> Balkan at the end of the Bench does not Bode well. I think you either
> have to play Jaric, or move him.
>
> I also think the key to this team is finding a way of getting Blount
> out of town. Either pay him to sit out the year, or move him somewhere
> and agree to pay a portion of his pay. His ineptitude is deadly. I
> don't care how much of a great guy he is, according to Madsen's blog.
>

I'm kinda enjoying your Chris Berman-ish name calling...

But I am increasingly convinced that McHale leads
all Wolves in the ineptitude category.

To my mind, Mchale has four price/performance problems:
Blount, Davis, Hudson, and Jarics
Who knows what page, or even what book, he's on...

If you truly believe in redemption, you could hope that
all four would step up and play to their potential.

More from the Casey-McHale "What page are we on?"
file: 6-9", 270 lb center, J.P. Batista (from Gonzaga)
will join the Timberwolves summer league team. Casey
wanted the Wolves to use a 2nd round draft pick on him,
despite admitting that JPB lacks the ability to jump.

Fine, JPB's not an obvious choice, but the Wolves took
Smith, a 6'-'7" power forward - the one position they don't
need to reinforce, especially with a player who will have a
hard time competing in the NBA. OK, McHale did select
Loukas a few picks later. But it seems to me that McHale
doesn't see that center is this team's biggest need.
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levi wrote:
> Andy H wrote:
> > If Bracey is going to stick, don't they have to send Marko Jaric
> > somewhere? They can't afford to keep him around to brood. Brooding
> > Balkan at the end of the Bench does not Bode well. I think you either
> > have to play Jaric, or move him.
> >
> > I also think the key to this team is finding a way of getting Blount
> > out of town. Either pay him to sit out the year, or move him somewhere
> > and agree to pay a portion of his pay. His ineptitude is deadly. I
> > don't care how much of a great guy he is, according to Madsen's blog.
> >
>
> I'm kinda enjoying your Chris Berman-ish name calling...
>
> But I am increasingly convinced that McHale leads
> all Wolves in the ineptitude category.
>
> To my mind, Mchale has four price/performance problems:
> Blount, Davis, Hudson, and Jarics
> Who knows what page, or even what book, he's on...
>
> If you truly believe in redemption, you could hope that
> all four would step up and play to their potential.
>
> More from the Casey-McHale "What page are we on?"
> file: 6-9", 270 lb center, J.P. Batista (from Gonzaga)
> will join the Timberwolves summer league team. Casey
> wanted the Wolves to use a 2nd round draft pick on him,
> despite admitting that JPB lacks the ability to jump.

Where was this reported?

The fact that he's on the summer league team shows that they are
working together.


> Fine, JPB's not an obvious choice, but the Wolves took
> Smith, a 6'-'7" power forward - the one position they don't
> need to reinforce, especially with a player who will have a
> hard time competing in the NBA. OK, McHale did select
> Loukas a few picks later. But it seems to me that McHale
> doesn't see that center is this team's biggest need.

Or he subscribes to the "take the best player availbable in the second
round" philosophy. You're lucky enough if you find a player in the
second. There's an even lower probability of finding a good player at
the exact postion you want.
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ikrushlots RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
> levi wrote:
> > Andy H wrote:
> > > If Bracey is going to stick, don't they have to send Marko Jaric
> > > somewhere? They can't afford to keep him around to brood. Brooding
> > > Balkan at the end of the Bench does not Bode well. I think you either
> > > have to play Jaric, or move him.
> > >
> > > I also think the key to this team is finding a way of getting Blount
> > > out of town. Either pay him to sit out the year, or move him somewhere
> > > and agree to pay a portion of his pay. His ineptitude is deadly. I
> > > don't care how much of a great guy he is, according to Madsen's blog.
> > >
> >
> > I'm kinda enjoying your Chris Berman-ish name calling...
> >
> > But I am increasingly convinced that McHale leads
> > all Wolves in the ineptitude category.
> >
> > To my mind, Mchale has four price/performance problems:
> > Blount, Davis, Hudson, and Jarics
> > Who knows what page, or even what book, he's on...
> >
> > If you truly believe in redemption, you could hope that
> > all four would step up and play to their potential.
> >
> > More from the Casey-McHale "What page are we on?"
> > file: 6-9", 270 lb center, J.P. Batista (from Gonzaga)
> > will join the Timberwolves summer league team. Casey
> > wanted the Wolves to use a 2nd round draft pick on him,
> > despite admitting that JPB lacks the ability to jump.
>
> Where was this reported?

Star Tribune, July 4th, page C2: "Casey looks for center"

>
> The fact that he's on the summer league team shows that they are
> working together.
>
>
> > Fine, JPB's not an obvious choice, but the Wolves took
> > Smith, a 6'-'7" power forward - the one position they don't
> > need to reinforce, especially with a player who will have a
> > hard time competing in the NBA. OK, McHale did select
> > Loukas a few picks later. But it seems to me that McHale
> > doesn't see that center is this team's biggest need.
>
> Or he subscribes to the "take the best player availbable in the second
> round" philosophy.

Mebbe so, Kemo Sabe. But first you'd have to
convince me that McHale knows who the best
player is. Actually, I'm not so sure about Casey
either.

> You're lucky enough if you find a player in the
> second. There's an even lower probability of finding a good player at
> the exact postion you want.

No doubt. Check out this article...

http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2.htm
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levi wrote:
> ikrushlots.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:
> > levi wrote:
> > > Andy H wrote:
> > > > If Bracey is going to stick, don't they have to send Marko Jaric
> > > > somewhere? They can't afford to keep him around to brood. Brooding
> > > > Balkan at the end of the Bench does not Bode well. I think you either
> > > > have to play Jaric, or move him.
> > > >
> > > > I also think the key to this team is finding a way of getting Blount
> > > > out of town. Either pay him to sit out the year, or move him somewhere
> > > > and agree to pay a portion of his pay. His ineptitude is deadly. I
> > > > don't care how much of a great guy he is, according to Madsen's blog.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm kinda enjoying your Chris Berman-ish name calling...
> > >
> > > But I am increasingly convinced that McHale leads
> > > all Wolves in the ineptitude category.
> > >
> > > To my mind, Mchale has four price/performance problems:
> > > Blount, Davis, Hudson, and Jarics
> > > Who knows what page, or even what book, he's on...
> > >
> > > If you truly believe in redemption, you could hope that
> > > all four would step up and play to their potential.
> > >
> > > More from the Casey-McHale "What page are we on?"
> > > file: 6-9", 270 lb center, J.P. Batista (from Gonzaga)
> > > will join the Timberwolves summer league team. Casey
> > > wanted the Wolves to use a 2nd round draft pick on him,
> > > despite admitting that JPB lacks the ability to jump.
> >
> > Where was this reported?
>
> Star Tribune, July 4th, page C2: "Casey looks for center"
> > The fact that he's on the summer league team shows that they are
> > working together.
> >
> >
> > > Fine, JPB's not an obvious choice, but the Wolves took
> > > Smith, a 6'-'7" power forward - the one position they don't
> > > need to reinforce, especially with a player who will have a
> > > hard time competing in the NBA. OK, McHale did select
> > > Loukas a few picks later. But it seems to me that McHale
> > > doesn't see that center is this team's biggest need.
> >
> > Or he subscribes to the "take the best player availbable in the second
> > round" philosophy.
>
> Mebbe so, Kemo Sabe. But first you'd have to
> convince me that McHale knows who the best
> player is. Actually, I'm not so sure about Casey
> either.
> > You're lucky enough if you find a player in the
> > second. There's an even lower probability of finding a good player at
> > the exact postion you want.
>
> No doubt. Check out this article...
>
> http://www.82games.com/nbadraft2.htm

Good article.
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