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s_knight8

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:31 am
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http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/1770712.html

Two press conferences.

Two new players introduced Wednesday afternoon.

Two ways to compare and contrast the Lakers and Clippers.

The Lakers went for basic grunge while the Clippers opted for high-rent
district.

Kwame Brown, the new Laker on the block, was wheeled out in the locker room
of the Kings at the headquarters the two teams share on the east end of El
Segundo.

Cuttino Mobley, the newest Clipper, was welcomed aboard at the Regent
Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Beverly Hills after tea, sandwiches and fruit were
served.

Somewhat more significant is the nature of the two players.

Mobley is the tough guy.

Brown isn't.

In the NHL, Mobley would be respected as a player who would take the body.

In the NBA, Brown brings a reputation as a dilettante who only shows up now
and then.

In summary, the Clippers know they have a player who can make an impact, who
can help push them to the playoffs, while the Lakers hope they have a player
who will provide the same service for them.

Brown came at a price.

"We are going to miss the contributions of Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins,"
Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said up front. "To get something good,
you have to give something good."

The price the Clippers paid for Mobley also was steep -- reportedly $42
million spread over five years, making him the highest-paid unrestricted
free agent ever signed by the Clippers. But it's only money.

Only money?

Tell that to Clippers owner Donald Sterling, who has a reputation of not
wanting to part with his loose change.

Since signing on as coach two seasons ago, Mike Dunleavy has insisted
Sterling is receptive to spreading his wealth. This is the proof.

Back to Kupchak. And Brown.

"You have to take risks to get out of the pack," Kupchak said.

The Lakers fell from leaders to deep in the pack last season.

They gambled late in June when they used the 10th pick in the draft on
Andrew Bynum, who is only 17 but stands 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-6 wingspan
and, they believe, has a huge upside.

They gambled again with Brown.

Mobley is a seasoned veteran less than a month short of his 30th birthday.
The seven-year veteran of the NBA wars attended Rhode Island for five years.
His coach as a senior was Jim Harrick, previously of Morningside High,
Pepperdine and UCLA.

Brown went directly from Glynn Academy in Brunswick, Ga., to the Washington
Wizards. Had he gone to college with designs on earning a degree, he would
just be entering the NBA this season at the reasonable age of 23.

Why would Kupchak roll the dice on Brown when the whispers around the league
indicate the young man is not a gamer?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:31 am
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s_knight8 wrote:
> http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/1770712.html

The Clippers will never "look wise".


>
> Two press conferences.
>
> Two new players introduced Wednesday afternoon.
>
> Two ways to compare and contrast the Lakers and Clippers.
>
> The Lakers went for basic grunge while the Clippers opted for high-rent
> district.
>
> Kwame Brown, the new Laker on the block, was wheeled out in the locker room
> of the Kings at the headquarters the two teams share on the east end of El
> Segundo.
>
> Cuttino Mobley, the newest Clipper, was welcomed aboard at the Regent
> Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Beverly Hills after tea, sandwiches and fruit were
> served.
>
> Somewhat more significant is the nature of the two players.
>
> Mobley is the tough guy.
>
> Brown isn't.
>
> In the NHL, Mobley would be respected as a player who would take the body.
>
> In the NBA, Brown brings a reputation as a dilettante who only shows up now
> and then.
>
> In summary, the Clippers know they have a player who can make an impact, who
> can help push them to the playoffs, while the Lakers hope they have a player
> who will provide the same service for them.
>
> Brown came at a price.
>
> "We are going to miss the contributions of Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins,"
> Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said up front. "To get something good,
> you have to give something good."
>
> The price the Clippers paid for Mobley also was steep -- reportedly $42
> million spread over five years, making him the highest-paid unrestricted
> free agent ever signed by the Clippers. But it's only money.
>
> Only money?
>
> Tell that to Clippers owner Donald Sterling, who has a reputation of not
> wanting to part with his loose change.
>
> Since signing on as coach two seasons ago, Mike Dunleavy has insisted
> Sterling is receptive to spreading his wealth. This is the proof.
>
> Back to Kupchak. And Brown.
>
> "You have to take risks to get out of the pack," Kupchak said.
>
> The Lakers fell from leaders to deep in the pack last season.
>
> They gambled late in June when they used the 10th pick in the draft on
> Andrew Bynum, who is only 17 but stands 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-6 wingspan
> and, they believe, has a huge upside.
>
> They gambled again with Brown.
>
> Mobley is a seasoned veteran less than a month short of his 30th birthday.
> The seven-year veteran of the NBA wars attended Rhode Island for five years.
> His coach as a senior was Jim Harrick, previously of Morningside High,
> Pepperdine and UCLA.
>
> Brown went directly from Glynn Academy in Brunswick, Ga., to the Washington
> Wizards. Had he gone to college with designs on earning a degree, he would
> just be entering the NBA this season at the reasonable age of 23.
>
> Why would Kupchak roll the dice on Brown when the whispers around the league
> indicate the young man is not a gamer?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:31 am
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PeterL wrote:
> s_knight8 wrote:
> > http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/1770712.html
>
> The Clippers will never "look wise".
>
>

I actually think the Mobley signing was a good one for the Lakers. I
was actually surprised they went after him. I also think it was a good
move to let Bobby Simmons since I think Milwaukee overpaid for him.

I also found this section from the article amusing:

Brown also talked about how his scoring would go up with more shots and
how he expects to get more shots with the Lakers than with the
guard-oriented Wizards.

Has anyone introduced him to Kobe Bryant, the Lakers' shooting,
shooting, shooting guard?

He would have won more friends and influenced more people if he had
mentioned rebounding, blocking shots and playing defense.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:31 am
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drg wrote:
> PeterL wrote:
> > s_knight8 wrote:
> > > http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/1770712.html
> >
> > The Clippers will never "look wise".
> >
> >
>
> I actually think the Mobley signing was a good one for the Lakers.

The Clips signing Mobley is good one for the Lakers? Huh?


> I
> was actually surprised they went after him. I also think it was a good
> move to let Bobby Simmons since I think Milwaukee overpaid for him.
>
> I also found this section from the article amusing:
>
> Brown also talked about how his scoring would go up with more shots and
> how he expects to get more shots with the Lakers than with the
> guard-oriented Wizards.
>
> Has anyone introduced him to Kobe Bryant, the Lakers' shooting,
> shooting, shooting guard?
>
> He would have won more friends and influenced more people if he had
> mentioned rebounding, blocking shots and playing defense.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:31 am
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PeterL wrote:
> drg wrote:
> > PeterL wrote:
> > > s_knight8 wrote:
> > > > http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/1770712.html
> > >
> > > The Clippers will never "look wise".
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I actually think the Mobley signing was a good one for the Lakers.
>
> The Clips signing Mobley is good one for the Lakers? Huh?
>
>

I meant the Clips. I guess I have the Lakers on my mind a little too
much.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:09 pm
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>
>Why would Kupchak roll the dice on Brown when the whispers around the league
>indicate the young man is not a gamer?
>
>
>

Because the whispers emanate from Abe Pollin.


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:30 pm
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At least the Lakers are doing something. Even if Brown isn't the
answer, it's certainly better to take a shot that stick with last
year's roster. We all saw how that worked out.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:36 pm
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In article <1123171902.551842.66930.DeleteThis@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"drg" <drg_75.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote:

> He would have won more friends and influenced more people if he had
> mentioned rebounding, blocking shots and playing defense.

You know, expectations are so low for Brown that he might end up looking
like a halfway-decent signing.

Beyond that, the only hope is that he proves to be one of those players
who just needed to get out of the situation he was in. Sometimes a
player gets a reputation as a cancer at one team and then becomes a team
leader the moment he's traded (eg Baron Davis).

But that strikes me as a longshot with somebody who's never really shown
any sort of consistent effort.

-Ron
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:57 pm
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cLIeNUX user wrote:

>>Why would Kupchak roll the dice on Brown when the whispers around the league
>>indicate the young man is not a gamer?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Because the whispers emanate from Abe Pollin.

They also emanate from pretty much every Wizards fan who has
written on the subject, as well as pretty much everyone in
the press who has commented.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:27 pm
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Ron <ronaldinho_m.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <1123171902.551842.66930.RemoveThis@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "drg" <drg_75.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> He would have won more friends and influenced more people if he had
>> mentioned rebounding, blocking shots and playing defense.
>
> You know, expectations are so low for Brown that he might end up
> looking like a halfway-decent signing.
>
> Beyond that, the only hope is that he proves to be one of those
> players who just needed to get out of the situation he was in.
> Sometimes a player gets a reputation as a cancer at one team and then
> becomes a team leader the moment he's traded (eg Baron Davis).
>
> But that strikes me as a longshot with somebody who's never really
> shown any sort of consistent effort.
>
> -Ron

The thing is, he has amazing natural talent - you can't coach that or
develop it in the gym.

Not only is he getting out of his current situation, he's going to get a
chance to A) not be expected to be the primary offensive threat, and
more importantly, B) he's going to be coached by Phil Jackson.

Like him or not, Phil has a remarkable ability for getting naturally
gifted players who've been playing below expectations to pick up their
game a notch. By the end of this next season, you will be very happy
that we got Kwame. Bank it.


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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:53 pm
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On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:27:44 -0700, "Dave Zero" <davezero DeleteThis @charter.net>
wrote:

>Ron <ronaldinho_m DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <1123171902.551842.66930 DeleteThis @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> "drg" <drg_75 DeleteThis @pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> He would have won more friends and influenced more people if he had
>>> mentioned rebounding, blocking shots and playing defense.
>>
>> You know, expectations are so low for Brown that he might end up
>> looking like a halfway-decent signing.
>>
>> Beyond that, the only hope is that he proves to be one of those
>> players who just needed to get out of the situation he was in.
>> Sometimes a player gets a reputation as a cancer at one team and then
>> becomes a team leader the moment he's traded (eg Baron Davis).
>>
>> But that strikes me as a longshot with somebody who's never really
>> shown any sort of consistent effort.
>>
>> -Ron
>
>The thing is, he has amazing natural talent - you can't coach that or
>develop it in the gym.
>
>Not only is he getting out of his current situation, he's going to get a
>chance to A) not be expected to be the primary offensive threat, and
>more importantly, B) he's going to be coached by Phil Jackson.
>
>Like him or not, Phil has a remarkable ability for getting naturally
>gifted players who've been playing below expectations to pick up their
>game a notch. By the end of this next season, you will be very happy
>that we got Kwame. Bank it.

Examples, please?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:43 pm
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In article <139Je.6946$_41.6517@fe02.lga>,
"Dave Zero" <davezero.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote:

> Like him or not, Phil has a remarkable ability for getting naturally
> gifted players who've been playing below expectations to pick up their
> game a notch. By the end of this next season, you will be very happy
> that we got Kwame. Bank it.

I'm not so sure. Phil certainly did get consistent effort of out Shaq -
which had been rare before - and Kobe developed under his watch.

But other than that, I'm not sure he has much of a track record with
young players. His bread and butter seems to be getting superstars to
focus on putting the team first.

We'll see, I guess.
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