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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:43 pm
Post subject: Comparing draft of basketball and football
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I do not understand how the legal system allows kids to play pro
basketball at age 18 but does not allow kids to play pro football at age
18.
What legal factor am I missing?
LeBron James can come right out of high school into the draft for the
NBA and yet Maurice Clarett is denied the same privilege with the NFL.
It seems to me it would be a "slam dunk" for a lawyer to win that case.
Personally - I feel that any draft that does not allow a kid to go work
wherever he wants - is slavery. Even if they are million dollar slaves -
their liberty is still being taken away.
In 1970 - I graduated from college with a teaching license - I was
allowed to apply to teach wheverever I wanted. It would be illegal to
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:53 pm
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In article <harry-C558CC.12431127042004 DeleteThis @comcast.ash.giganews.com>,
Harry Everhart <harry DeleteThis @everhart.com> wrote:
> I do not understand how the legal system allows kids to play pro
> basketball at age 18 but does not allow kids to play pro football at age
> 18.
The NFL and its union, through their collective bargaining agreement,
forbid players to enter the league until three years after their high
school class has graduated.
The NBA and its union have no such provision, though they are
discussing it.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:02 pm
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In article <geoff-usenet2-D60CB1.12533527042004 DeleteThis @reader3.news.rcn.net>,
"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2 DeleteThis @stuebegreen.com> wrote:
> The NFL and its union, through their collective bargaining agreement,
> forbid players to enter the league until three years after their high
> school class has graduated.
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> The NBA and its union have no such provision, though they are
> discussing it.
Thanks Geoff -
I understand it is a union thing - but - How can a union negotiate away
the rights of a kid in college that is not a member of their union?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:35 pm
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"Harry Everhart" <harry DeleteThis @everhart.com> wrote:
> Personally - I feel that any draft that does not allow a kid to go work
> wherever he wants - is slavery. Even if they are million dollar slaves -
> their liberty is still being taken away.
Well, you can work for I've Been Moved, or you can quit.
The choice is yours and is not slavery. If you don't like the
NBA, I'm sure there's a league in some ex-communist
republic, who finally figured out that a high degree socialism
clearly doesn't work, that will take you.
And if you don't like the draft, you can always try to walk
onto the dream home team of your choice, but considerable
salary reductions apply. Most sane kids voluntarily try their
luck with the draft first, then try the walk-on thang if that
fails.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:38 pm
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In article <0001HW.BCB41BE0025B101BF02845B0.TakeThisOut@news-server.austin.rr.com>,
Daniel Seriff <microtonal.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
> I fail to see why this is even an argument. The NFL, like any other business
> in the country, is under absolutely no legal or moral obligation to admit
> anyone that it feels is unsuited for admittance.
I think that since the NBA has a monopoly - this would be an anti-trust
suit. Simply - there is no other game in town.
I am simply stating - I find it unusual that a kid 18 years old can play
in the NBA and MLB - but not in the NFL. All three are simple games.
They do not require any special mind power. If a kid is strong enough -
skilled enough - talented enough - he should be able to play if someone
wants to pay him.
If a kid wants to play - and is capable - and a team wants to pay him -
he should play. >> Stay informed about: Comparing draft of basketball and football |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:10 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:10 pm
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In article <Xns94D886294C0F5archieleach.TakeThisOut@24.25.9.43>,
ArchieLeach <cary.TakeThisOut@grant.com> wrote:
> My prediction is this issue is actually headed the OTHER way - that once
> the NBA sees the conclusion of the Clarett case, they will move towards a
> minimum age policy too. A couple of player reps have already made
> statements to that effect. And with stiffs like Kwame Brown collecting
> millions from three-year GUARANTEED contracts, it makes sense.
Of course, that's the same NBA Players' Association that agreed to the
rookie salary cap in the first place. Why not just get rid of that?
(Answer: Because the owners wouldn't be able to stop themselves from
jacking up rookie salaries, and because the Players' Association
thinks that limiting rookie salaries somehow increases salaries for
more experienced players.)
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:41 pm
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Harry Everhart <harry DeleteThis @everhart.com> hypothesized the following:
: Personally - I feel that any draft that does not allow a kid to go work
: wherever he wants - is slavery. Even if they are million dollar slaves -
: their liberty is still being taken away.
so letting a 18 yo kid work in a package store is fine and dandy with you?
how about 18 yo girls as exotic dancers?
and slavery is a lot worse than that.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:41 pm
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"joseph jeong" wrote...
> Harry Everhart hypothesized the following:
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> : Personally - I feel that any draft that does not allow a kid to go work
> : wherever he wants - is slavery. Even if they are million dollar slaves -
> : their liberty is still being taken away.
>
> so letting a 18 yo kid work in a package store is fine and dandy with you?
> how about 18 yo girls as exotic dancers?
>
land of the free. home of the brave.
> and slavery is a lot worse than that.
>
true. maybe oppression would be a more suitable, less objectionable term. >> Stay informed about: Comparing draft of basketball and football |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:53 pm
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Daniel Seriff <microtonal.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
:On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:02:44 -0500, Harry Everhart wrote
:(in message <harry-B24DB3.13024427042004.RemoveThis@comcast.ash.giganews.com>):
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:> In article <geoff-usenet2-D60CB1.12533527042004.RemoveThis@reader3.news.rcn.net>,
:> "Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2.RemoveThis@stuebegreen.com> wrote:
:>> The NFL and its union, through their collective bargaining agreement,
:>> forbid players to enter the league until three years after their high
:>> school class has graduated.
:>>
:>> The NBA and its union have no such provision, though they are
:>> discussing it.
:>
:> Thanks Geoff -
:> I understand it is a union thing - but - How can a union negotiate away
:> the rights of a kid in college that is not a member of their union?
:
:It has nothing to do with the union. It has to do with the faulty assumption
:that there is such a thing as the "right to play in the NFL".
:
:I fail to see why this is even an argument. The NFL, like any other business
:in the country, is under absolutely no legal or moral obligation to admit
:anyone that it feels is unsuited for admittance.
This logic doesn't fly. No active
professional football players work for the NFL.
They work for the individual teams, which are
separate corporations. The United States has
laws against all the companies of an industry
collaborating to set rules to give them an
advantage over consumers or potential
employees (this is anti-trust law). So, since the
NFL teams are the only places a player can go
to play football professionally, those teams are
restricted in the manner in which they can
regulate employment.
--
Never give a loaded gun to a woman in labor.
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'. >> Stay informed about: Comparing draft of basketball and football |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:53 pm
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"George W. Harris" <gharrus.DeleteThis@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
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> Daniel Seriff <microtonal.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> :On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:02:44 -0500, Harry Everhart wrote
> :(in message <harry-B24DB3.13024427042004.DeleteThis@comcast.ash.giganews.com>):
> :
> :> In article <geoff-usenet2-D60CB1.12533527042004.DeleteThis@reader3.news.rcn.net>,
> :> "Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2.DeleteThis@stuebegreen.com> wrote:
> :>> The NFL and its union, through their collective bargaining agreement,
> :>> forbid players to enter the league until three years after their high
> :>> school class has graduated.
> :>>
> :>> The NBA and its union have no such provision, though they are
> :>> discussing it.
> :>
> :> Thanks Geoff -
> :> I understand it is a union thing - but - How can a union negotiate away
> :> the rights of a kid in college that is not a member of their union?
> :
> :It has nothing to do with the union. It has to do with the faulty assumption
> :that there is such a thing as the "right to play in the NFL".
> :
> :I fail to see why this is even an argument. The NFL, like any other business
> :in the country, is under absolutely no legal or moral obligation to admit
> :anyone that it feels is unsuited for admittance.
>
> This logic doesn't fly. No active
> professional football players work for the NFL.
> They work for the individual teams, which are
> separate corporations. The United States has
> laws against all the companies of an industry
> collaborating to set rules to give them an
> advantage over consumers or potential
> employees (this is anti-trust law). So, since the
> NFL teams are the only places a player can go
> to play football professionally, those teams are
> restricted in the manner in which they can
> regulate employment.
Somewhat. It was a compromise to balance exactly
what you said with the obvious fact that having every
player be a free agent all the time would sorta damage
brand recognition to the point where *nobody* might
have a job.
Some collaboration is allowed in order to keep the
businesses in business. Weird situation, with unique
union-employer relations too. It's fairly complicated
an not worth the headache at this time -- some jerk
crashed a barge into a tanker or something, but all I
care about is that gin futures are going through the
roof right now.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:53 pm
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"Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam.TakeThisOut@Ham.com> wrote:
: > -- some jerk
> crashed a barge into a tanker or something, but all I
> care about is that gin futures are going through the
> roof right now.
That was one of my stupid cousins. He was trying to
steal a shipment of gin and instead sunk it to the bottom
of Boston Harbor. I ain't bailing him out this time.
That...*Bozo*. I hope at least the darn fish are happy
because somebody might be sleeping with them soon.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:53 pm
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:53 pm
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"Harry Everhart" <harry.TakeThisOut@everhart.com> wrote in message
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> Everyone is dancing around my original question - but not answering it.
>
> Here it is again - why can a kid play in the NBA at 18 - but not in the
> NFL at 18?
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> Just tell me what law allows the NFL to restrict kids - but the not NBA.
When I see questions phrased in this manner,
it is a painful reminder that the Statists are
winning big time. Used to be, you needed a
law to prevent the NFL from restricting kids,
not vice versa.
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