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Edward M. Kennedy

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:38 pm
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"Pauli G" <rioroad.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > it's gotta be the money.
>
>
> I'm sure that money is somehow involved, but I do believe that there
> is a legitimate physical aspect to it. The coach at my college was a
> coordinator with the Jacksonville Jags, and did an interview with the
> local paper about kids jumping to the NFL. His take was that college
> is valuable not only for game experience, but especially for the
> weight training and general physical development. Another thing he
> kept hammering on was how fast the NFL game is, and that the speed is
> an adjustment even for kids coming out of a 4-year program, never mind
> out of high school.

Good point. Anybody want a rehash of the physics of winning a
collision?

Basically, if you are a little bit smaller and a little bit slower, it's worse
than you think. Assuming an inelastic collision (which isn't accurate,
but I'll address this below since it favors bigger players), you have
a battle of momentums. In a head-on collision, the smaller player
generally ends up going backwards. The bigger player merely slows
down. The difference in acceleration felt by both players is large.
For example, the smaller player might go from 12 mph to -4 mph,
for a total deceleration of 16/(collision time), while the bigger player
might only decelerate from 10 to 2 mph -- and keep on running
while the smaller counts birds and stars. (This applies to car collisions
as well.)

Making matters worse, much of the impact of the collision is absorbed
by the body. Alas for the smaller player, he's not only getting the
brunt of the collision, he has less body mass over which to absorb it.
"Like getting run over by a train" is not just a cute phrase.

Another way to visualize this is that H.S. players are used to collisions
at some average mass M and Speed V. The problem is, not only
does the total kinetic energy go up proportional to the increased NFL
mass, it goes up by the square of the increased velocity.

Last but not least, solid muscle holds up to the collision much better
than flabby muscle.

--Tedward

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:45 pm
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"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Daniel Seriff <microtonal.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:02:44 -0500, Harry Everhart wrote
> > (in message <harry-B24DB3.13024427042004.RemoveThis@comcast.ash.giganews.com>):
> >
> > > In article <geoff-usenet2-D60CB1.12533527042004.RemoveThis@reader3.news.rcn.net>,
> > > "Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2.RemoveThis@stuebegreen.com> wrote:
> > >> The NFL and its union, through their collective bargaining agreement,
> > >> forbid players to enter the league until three years after their high
> > >> school class has graduated.
> > >>
> > >> The NBA and its union have no such provision, though they are
> > >> discussing it.
> > >
> > > Thanks Geoff -
> > > I understand it is a union thing - but - How can a union negotiate away
> > > the rights of a kid in college that is not a member of their union?
> >
> > It has nothing to do with the union. It has to do with the faulty assumption
> > that there is such a thing as the "right to play in the NFL".
> >
> > I fail to see why this is even an argument. The NFL, like any other business
> > in the country, is under absolutely no legal or moral obligation to admit
> > anyone that it feels is unsuited for admittance.
>
> Any other business in the country is unable to discriminate against
> potential employees based on age...

It isn't based on age. But now we're beginning to venture
into the murky business of dumb ass legistlation verses what
businesses can actually get away with, not to mention obvious
situations where age is allowed to be considered, even by
the dumb ass legislation.

I didn't see any old hags bringing me drinks the last time I
was at Harrod's.

--Tedward

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:46 pm
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>From: Harry Everhart harry.RemoveThis@everhart.com
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>Everyone is dancing around my original question - but not answering it.
>
>Here it is again - why can a kid play in the NBA at 18 - but not in the
>NFL at 18?
>


You answered your own original question. You stated that you completed your
education, and got a teaching degree. Why couldnt you just go straight from
high school into teaching? You were 18 and willing to work. I'm sure you had
the raw talent to be a teacher. However that damnable teachers union, and the
people that hired you would not accept that as a reason for you to have the
right to teach. You had to have a certain amount of training before it could
happen.

The NFL has a rule that states the same thing. You have to be of a certain age.
The NBA does not... thats the difference between the two leagues. If the NBA
could get their act together and say that you HAVE to have a certain minimum
experience to be in their league, then they too could limit the number of under
20 year olds in their league.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:55 pm
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"Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam.DeleteThis@Ham.com> wrote in message news:<c6p17h$3dd$2@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>...
> "Pauli G" <rioroad.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > it's gotta be the money.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure that money is somehow involved, but I do believe that there
> > is a legitimate physical aspect to it. The coach at my college was a
> > coordinator with the Jacksonville Jags, and did an interview with the
> > local paper about kids jumping to the NFL. His take was that college
> > is valuable not only for game experience, but especially for the
> > weight training and general physical development. Another thing he
> > kept hammering on was how fast the NFL game is, and that the speed is
> > an adjustment even for kids coming out of a 4-year program, never mind
> > out of high school.
>
> Good point. Anybody want a rehash of the physics of winning a
> collision?
>
> Basically, if you are a little bit smaller and a little bit slower, it's worse
> than you think. Assuming an inelastic collision (which isn't accurate,
> but I'll address this below since it favors bigger players), you have
> a battle of momentums. In a head-on collision, the smaller player
> generally ends up going backwards. The bigger player merely slows
> down. The difference in acceleration felt by both players is large.
> For example, the smaller player might go from 12 mph to -4 mph,
> for a total deceleration of 16/(collision time), while the bigger player
> might only decelerate from 10 to 2 mph -- and keep on running
> while the smaller counts birds and stars. (This applies to car collisions
> as well.)
>
> Making matters worse, much of the impact of the collision is absorbed
> by the body. Alas for the smaller player, he's not only getting the
> brunt of the collision, he has less body mass over which to absorb it.
> "Like getting run over by a train" is not just a cute phrase.
>
> Another way to visualize this is that H.S. players are used to collisions
> at some average mass M and Speed V. The problem is, not only
> does the total kinetic energy go up proportional to the increased NFL
> mass, it goes up by the square of the increased velocity.
>
> Last but not least, solid muscle holds up to the collision much better
> than flabby muscle.
>

Good Lord Teddy, we are on the same page...never thought I'd see the day.

Cheers
*clink, clink*
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:49 pm
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"Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam RemoveThis @Ham.com> wrote:

:> > I fail to see why this is even an argument. The NFL, like any other business
:> > in the country, is under absolutely no legal or moral obligation to admit
:> > anyone that it feels is unsuited for admittance.
:>
:> Any other business in the country is unable to discriminate against
:> potential employees based on age...
:
:It isn't based on age.

The rationalization for the restriction is
physical maturity, so while the defintion may not
cite age directly, age is the basis of the reasoning.
Justice may be blind, but she's not stupid.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:33 pm
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"Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam.DeleteThis@Ham.com> wrote:

:Age restrictions have held up in other sports.

What, besides little league? With the
restriction written the way it is, it's possible for a
20-year old to qualify and a 22-year old not to,
and it ignores the fact that a 19-year old might
have the necessary physical maturity to play the
game. The courts tend to frown on restrictions
that are arbitrary and capricious, and this one
certainly qualifies.
:
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:33 pm
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In article <slrnc90d6u.eqa.djbSPAMSUCKS.TakeThisOut@localhost.localdomain>,
Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS.TakeThisOut@donniebarnes.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Apr, George W Harris wrote:
> >:Age restrictions have held up in other sports.
> >
> > What, besides little league? With the
> > restriction written the way it is, it's possible for a
> > 20-year old to qualify and a 22-year old not to,
> > and it ignores the fact that a 19-year old might
> > have the necessary physical maturity to play the
> > game. The courts tend to frown on restrictions
> > that are arbitrary and capricious, and this one
> > certainly qualifies.
>
> You have a better way to measure physical maturity?

Yes. The NFL scouts who pore over each prospect are pretty good at
doing it on a case-by-case basis. I mean, if Mike Williams weren't
physically mature, then why -- after he'd been poked and prodded by
the NFL teams' braintrusts -- was some NFL team going to pick him high
in the first round? If he weren't physically mature, then a team
should take him realizing that it would take a couple of years of NFL
Europe or some other training regimen before he could contribute, and
adjust his draft ranking (and his salary) accordingly. What's so hard
about that?

- geoff
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:33 pm
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"George W. Harris" <gharrus.RemoveThis@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
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> "Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam.RemoveThis@Ham.com> wrote:
>
> :Age restrictions have held up in other sports.
>
> What, besides little league?

Pro tennis, off the tip of my tongue, not that the NFL's
restriction.is exactly comparable to an age restriction.

> With the
> restriction written the way it is, it's possible for a
> 20-year old to qualify and a 22-year old not to,
> and it ignores the fact that a 19-year old might
> have the necessary physical maturity to play the
> game. The courts tend to frown on restrictions
> that are arbitrary and capricious, and this one
> certainly qualifies.

So sue them. The courts might agree that three years
of post-high school experience is not a valid minimum
experience criteria, but I have no reason to believe
they would.

The funny part is that while I agree with Donnie's
logic, I agree with your preference. Inability to let
go of one's preference is a known frailty.

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:33 pm
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"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2.TakeThisOut@stuebegreen.com> wrote in message
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> In article <slrnc90d6u.eqa.djbSPAMSUCKS.TakeThisOut@localhost.localdomain>,
> Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS.TakeThisOut@donniebarnes.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Apr, George W Harris wrote:
> > >:Age restrictions have held up in other sports.
> > >
> > > What, besides little league? With the
> > > restriction written the way it is, it's possible for a
> > > 20-year old to qualify and a 22-year old not to,
> > > and it ignores the fact that a 19-year old might
> > > have the necessary physical maturity to play the
> > > game. The courts tend to frown on restrictions
> > > that are arbitrary and capricious, and this one
> > > certainly qualifies.
> >
> > You have a better way to measure physical maturity?
>
> Yes. The NFL scouts who pore over each prospect are pretty good at
> doing it on a case-by-case basis. I mean, if Mike Williams weren't
> physically mature, then why -- after he'd been poked and prodded by
> the NFL teams' braintrusts -- was some NFL team going to pick him high
> in the first round? If he weren't physically mature, then a team
> should take him realizing that it would take a couple of years of NFL
> Europe or some other training regimen before he could contribute, and
> adjust his draft ranking (and his salary) accordingly. What's so hard
> about that?

Nothing. I agree with you *and* Donnie. The NFL
has a justifiable stance. I'd prefer the NFL get their
way over a court order. On the other hand, if I owned
the NFL, I might listen to your logic instead.

--Tedward
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:45 pm
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Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS RemoveThis @donniebarnes.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 28 Apr, George W Harris wrote:
:>:Age restrictions have held up in other sports.
:>
:> What, besides little league? With the
:> restriction written the way it is, it's possible for a
:> 20-year old to qualify and a 22-year old not to,
:> and it ignores the fact that a 19-year old might
:> have the necessary physical maturity to play the
:> game. The courts tend to frown on restrictions
:> that are arbitrary and capricious, and this one
:> certainly qualifies.
:
:You have a better way to measure physical maturity?

Case-by-case basis. If a prospect doesn't
have the physical maturity to play in the NFL, then
no teams should be interested in him. If a team thinks
he does, then they should be allowed to sign him and
he should be allowed to play.

:--Donnie

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(Msg. 41) Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:27 am
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Donnie Barnes <djbSPAMSUCKS.TakeThisOut@donniebarnes.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 28 Apr, George W Harris wrote:
:>:You have a better way to measure physical maturity?
:>
:> Case-by-case basis. If a prospect doesn't
:> have the physical maturity to play in the NFL, then
:> no teams should be interested in him. If a team thinks
:> he does, then they should be allowed to sign him and
:> he should be allowed to play.
:
:It isn't about how fast you run the 40 or how much you can bench press.
:It's about how your body can handle the rigors of the game.

I never mentioned running the 40 or bench
pressing. NFL scouts are more thorough than
CIA intelligence analysts, and less frequently wrong.
Bodies aren't suddenly more durable after the third year
in high school; it varies from person to person, and if a
person has the toughness at 19, let him play.

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(Msg. 42) Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:29 am
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"Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam DeleteThis @Ham.com> wrote:

:
:"George W. Harris" <gharrus DeleteThis @mundsprung.com> wrote in message
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:> "Edward M. Kennedy" <NoSpam DeleteThis @Ham.com> wrote:
:>
:> :Age restrictions have held up in other sports.
:>
:> What, besides little league?
:
:Pro tennis, off the tip of my tongue, not that the NFL's
:restriction.is exactly comparable to an age restriction.
:
:> With the
:> restriction written the way it is, it's possible for a
:> 20-year old to qualify and a 22-year old not to,
:> and it ignores the fact that a 19-year old might
:> have the necessary physical maturity to play the
:> game. The courts tend to frown on restrictions
:> that are arbitrary and capricious, and this one
:> certainly qualifies.
:
:So sue them. The courts might agree that three years
:of post-high school experience is not a valid minimum
:experience criteria, but I have no reason to believe
:they would.

Well, one court did. I'm not sure if the
appeals court overturned the decision or just
stayed the order allowing Clarrett to enter the draft;
I think the latter. So, right now the 'arbitrary and
capricious' side seems to be more likely to prevail.
:
:The funny part is that while I agree with Donnie's
:logic, I agree with your preference. Inability to let
:go of one's preference is a known frailty.
:
:--Tedward
:

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(Msg. 43) Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:15 am
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"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2.TakeThisOut@stuebegreen.com> wrote in message
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> In article <11q0901gpfb99j67osi3rjntlusgvh12dq.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
> George W. Harris <gharrus.TakeThisOut@mundsprung.com> wrote:
>
> > :So sue them. The courts might agree that three years
> > :of post-high school experience is not a valid minimum
> > :experience criteria, but I have no reason to believe
> > :they would.
> >
> > Well, one court did. I'm not sure if the
> > appeals court overturned the decision or just
> > stayed the order allowing Clarrett to enter the draft;
> > I think the latter. So, right now the 'arbitrary and
> > capricious' side seems to be more likely to prevail.
>
> The appeals court stayed the order because, along with other reasons,
> the NFL "has demonstrated a liklihood of success on the merits." You
> very rarely see federal appeals court grant stays (or federal district
> courts grant preliminary injunctions) and then have the court rule the
> other way in its final decision, particularly where (as here) there
> are no further submissions or argument from the parties before the
> final order is rendered.

And then, to add a further layer of obfuscation, I don't
necessarily take any courts decision as "the truth". At
best it defines what is temporarily legal or not. Even
the Supremes have contradicted (over-ruled or rescinded)
themselves hundreds of times, largely in order to render
the original Constitution into a living and meaningless
document.

So, for example, I don't know where in the heck
Congress found the authority to pass a law about
age discrimination. But they've gotten away with
far worse, and I also recognize that such a law is
de facto legal/binding for the sake of discussion.

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(Msg. 44) Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:21 am
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"Donnie Barnes" <djbSPAMSUCKS.DeleteThis@donniebarnes.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Apr, George W Harris wrote:
> >:It isn't about how fast you run the 40 or how much you can bench press.
> >:It's about how your body can handle the rigors of the game.
> >
> > I never mentioned running the 40 or bench
> > pressing. NFL scouts are more thorough than
> > CIA intelligence analysts, and less frequently wrong.

That's not saying much. I'll agree the scouts do a good
job, but there's no shortage of first rounders who don't
make it in the NFL either.

> > Bodies aren't suddenly more durable after the third year
> > in high school; it varies from person to person, and if a
> > person has the toughness at 19, let him play.

That would be *my* preference...

> I don't know of any testing they do that tells them how they are going to
> handle getting crunched by a 270 pound man who runs the 40 faster than
> 99.9% of the 200 pound men in the world. Of course, they don't *have* to
> do that, because that generally happens in college for them.
>
> There are simply rigors they can't simulate, which is exactly why they have
> the stinkin rule to begin with.

Football careers are notorious short for a reason.

> That and I'm sure they like having that
> much more good data to use to scout with.

True, it is much easier to evaluate talent against NCAA
competition than high school.

--Tedward
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:15 pm
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George W Harris <gharrus.RemoveThis@mundsprung.com> hypothesized the following:

: I never mentioned running the 40 or bench
: pressing. NFL scouts are more thorough than
: CIA intelligence analysts, and less frequently wrong.

this is not true. the combines are *huge* for NFL. the common perception
in the NFL is that if you're strong and/or fast, we can teach you the
skills. they are looking for physical tools, so a lot of the times, they
look at the combines, the 40 time, the bench, the vertical leap, etc.

there are very very few college players that actually have
polished enough of a game, Larry Fitzgerald might be the exception this
year, but in general, they draft on physical tools. which is why they
have such a bad record with QBs.

they don't have some magical way to look into a player. the only
difference is that with great physical tools, you can get away with more
in the NFL. if you're strong enough, fast enough, jump high enough, even
if you're not the most skilled guy, you can work out as a decent player
in the NFL. which is why NFL scouts weigh the combines so highly.

: Bodies aren't suddenly more durable after the third year
: in high school; it varies from person to person, and if a
: person has the toughness at 19, let him play.

i am in agreement with this. but it's hard to determine that.
but if you have a high school kid that has the physical size and tools,
sure go for it. but that'll be so rare it won't really even be an issue.





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