Dirk says Kobe Is MVP

"Miguel MB" <PUN.RemoveThis@yaho.com> wrote in message
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> HE SAID it was consentual, and nothing outside of her lies that
> contradicts that.

He said that he could see how she could construe it as rape.


> That's the crutch lots of people as unfamiliar with the case as you are
> like to lean on. My role as a fan does not extend to defending the
> guilty, but I'm not so small-minded that I have to prove that by assuming
> his guilt, either.

Your role as a fan brings the ultimate bias.

What she did or with held after the rape is totallty and utterly pointless
to the case. Why? Because there is no one certain way a person acts after a
rape... and therefore with holding information that might be embarassing, is
common place.

You are smearing her at the cost of protecting a Lakers Icon.

Let's do this one more time... Kobe said he can see how she construed it as
rape, for all intents and purposes. I agree with Kobe!
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Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
> "Miguel MB" <PUN RemoveThis @yaho.com> wrote in message
> news:TDUJj.1346$9r.1185@newsfe07.lga...
>> HE SAID it was consentual, and nothing outside of her lies that
>> contradicts that.


>
> Let's do this one more time... Kobe said he can see how she construed
> it as rape, for all intents and purposes. I agree with Kobe!

" I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual"
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"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exists1 DeleteThis @Earth71.net> wrote in message
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> "Miguel MB" <PUN DeleteThis @yaho.com> wrote in message
> news:TDUJj.1346$9r.1185@newsfe07.lga...
>> HE SAID it was consentual, and nothing outside of her lies that
>> contradicts that.
>
> He said that he could see how she could construe it as rape.
>
>
>> That's the crutch lots of people as unfamiliar with the case as you are
>> like to lean on. My role as a fan does not extend to defending the
>> guilty, but I'm not so small-minded that I have to prove that by assuming
>> his guilt, either.
>
> Your role as a fan brings the ultimate bias.

Yes, we're probably biased as Laker fans, but that's far from the "ultimate
bias"... I'd say that's reserved for family members, close friends, and
Kobe/Faber themselves. How about leaving alone the ad hominems for a
moment, especially since your accusations of "Kobe lover" are wrong with at
least one person you're arguing with already, and simply address the issues?

Some of us are able to set our "bias" aside especially WRT something as
trivial as sports and consider something as serious as this without
fan-colored glasses. I don't think you're doing yourself any favors in this
discussion by continually trotting out the "Kobe lover" red herring.

brink
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brink wrote:
> Yes, we're probably biased as Laker fans, but that's far from the "ultimate
> bias"... I'd say that's reserved for family members, close friends, and
> Kobe/Faber themselves. How about leaving alone the ad hominems for a
> moment, especially since your accusations of "Kobe lover" are wrong with at
> least one person you're arguing with already, and simply address the issues?
>
> Some of us are able to set our "bias" aside especially WRT something as
> trivial as sports and consider something as serious as this without
> fan-colored glasses. I don't think you're doing yourself any favors in this
> discussion by continually trotting out the "Kobe lover" red herring.

He's doing himself a big favor by succeeding in tweaking half the
Lakers group regulars.

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Terraholm wrote:

> brink wrote:
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>>"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exists1.RemoveThis@Earth71.net> wrote in message
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>>>"Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>After she was caught in the lies as she told different versions of
>>>>the story....
>>>
>>>False... You are trying to protect Kobe because you idolize him.
>>
>>This is my favorite part of any Laurel vs. Newbie-du-jour battle.
>>
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>
>
> Mine too. ;-)

Well, what else do you expect DTMB to say? Seems like a very
broad-view person.

"Black athletes accused of raping white women are guilty."

"People who post in a Laker newsgroup are Kobe fans."

He/she is short on material outside of the fraction of Kobe's
letter that he/she wants to agree with.
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"Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>> "Miguel MB" <PUN.RemoveThis@yaho.com> wrote in message
>> news:TDUJj.1346$9r.1185@newsfe07.lga...
>>> HE SAID it was consentual, and nothing outside of her lies that
>>> contradicts that.
>
>
>>
>> Let's do this one more time... Kobe said he can see how she construed
>> it as rape, for all intents and purposes. I agree with Kobe!
>
> " I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual"

"Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can
only imagine the pain she has had to endure. "--""I also want to make it
clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has
been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used
against me in the civil case. --I recognize now that she did not and does
not view this incident the same way I did. "


A rapist usually thinks the victim wants it!
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On Apr 5, 10:14 pm, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No she changed her story about washing her face because when the rape kit
> came back she had another man's semen on her face. oops...
>

Thanks, I thought that was her intent.


mk5000

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spidery legs over the rough ground beside the track, and as the track
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"Miguel MB" <PUN.TakeThisOut@yaho.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Mine too. ;-)
>
> Well, what else do you expect DTMB to say? Seems like a very broad-view
> person.
>
> "Black athletes accused of raping white women are guilty."
>
> "People who post in a Laker newsgroup are Kobe fans."


Nonetheless, he seemed guilty to me and I know Laker fans wouldn't convict
Kolby of anything. And I know Laurel is a Bailraisers fan and respect her
but I disagree anyway. Too often victims are not perfect people and perps
are idolized so they get away with anything. Can you say OJ, Kobe or a host
of other stars?

>
> He/she is short on material outside of the fraction of Kobe's letter that
> he/she wants to agree with.
>
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Dayrl wrote:
> "Miguel MB" <PUN.TakeThisOut@yaho.com> wrote in message
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>>>Mine too. ;-)
>>
>>Well, what else do you expect DTMB to say? Seems like a very broad-view
>>person.
>>
>>"Black athletes accused of raping white women are guilty."
>>
>>"People who post in a Laker newsgroup are Kobe fans."
>
>
>
> Nonetheless, he seemed guilty to me and I know Laker fans wouldn't convict
> Kolby of anything.

Only if he were guilty.


> And I know Laurel is a Bailraisers fan and respect her
> but I disagree anyway. Too often victims are not perfect people and perps
> are idolized so they get away with anything. Can you say OJ, Kobe or a host
> of other stars?

You lump them all together as if none of them are ever innocent.
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On Apr 6, 2:13�pm, "Dayrl" <Da....RemoveThis@comcast.com> wrote:
> "Miguel MB" <P....RemoveThis@yaho.com> wrote in message
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> news:yw%Jj.66$7q2.65@newsfe05.lga...
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>
> >> Mine too. �;-)
>
> > Well, what else do you expect DTMB to say? �Seems like a very broad-view
> > person.
>
> > "Black athletes accused of raping white women are guilty."
>
> > "People who post in a Laker newsgroup are Kobe fans."
>
> Nonetheless, he seemed guilty to me

Well, then we should all just forget the evidence and go by how it
"seemed" to you.

>and I know Laker fans wouldn't convict
> Kolby of anything. �

Spelling his name wrong on purpose and your Lakers fans mock exposes
the reason why you have come to your amateur opinion.

>And I know Laurel is a Bailraisers fan and respect her
> but I disagree anyway. �

Does everything have to have some kind of emotional attachment before
you can come deal with logic? Just look at the facts of the case and
then you would discover the real truth, not your imagined truth.

>Too often victims are not perfect people and perps
> are idolized so they get away with anything. �

Too often those who refuse to look at the facts and base their
decisions on their pre-existing bias are blinded by their hate.

>Can you say OJ, Kobe or a host
> of other stars?

Can you say maybe it's time to move on and stop arguing about
something that happened years ago? I will if you will.

BTW, who's your team and how are they doing this season?
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"Miguel MB" <PUN.TakeThisOut@yaho.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>> Nonetheless, he seemed guilty to me and I know Laker fans wouldn't
>> convict Kolby of anything.
>
> Only if he were guilty.

Horse hockey. LA never convicts its stars regardless of guilt. Robert
Blake, OJ, Spector?


>
>
>> And I know Laurel is a Bailraisers fan and respect her but I disagree
>> anyway. Too often victims are not perfect people and perps are idolized
>> so they get away with anything. Can you say OJ, Kobe or a host of other
>> stars?
>
> You lump them all together as if none of them are ever innocent.

You seem to think all are innocent as if stars could never commit a crime.
Like I said, I don't know (neither do you), but I suspect if there were a
video, Kobe would have been convicted of rape. It also makes me wonder why
conniving chick hasn't done this before. Probably because it is a much
higher standard of proof for a star than normal person.
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Dayrl wrote:
> "Miguel MB" <PUN.DeleteThis@yaho.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Nonetheless, he seemed guilty to me and I know Laker fans wouldn't
>>>convict Kolby of anything.
>>
>>Only if he were guilty.
>
>
> Horse hockey. LA never convicts its stars regardless of guilt. Robert
> Blake, OJ, Spector?

Yeah, well, this was in Colorado, and legal experts, including
at least one judge directly involved with the case, said that
the case was weak.


>>>And I know Laurel is a Bailraisers fan and respect her but I disagree
>>>anyway. Too often victims are not perfect people and perps are idolized
>>>so they get away with anything. Can you say OJ, Kobe or a host of other
>>>stars?
>>
>>You lump them all together as if none of them are ever innocent.
>
>
> You seem to think all are innocent as if stars could never commit a crime.

When did I say that, Moron? YOU are lumping them all together.
I am treating each case seperately.


> Like I said, I don't know (neither do you), but I suspect if there were a
> video, Kobe would have been convicted of rape.

Based on..... ? He's black? She's white? It certainly ain't
the evidence.

It's true that I only know everything that was reported
(clearly more than you), and what wasn't outright exculpatory
still didn't add up to anything that would remotely hold up
against reasonable doubt.
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On Apr 6, 2:13?pm, "Dayrl" <Da....DeleteThis@comcast.com> wrote:
> "Miguel MB" <P....DeleteThis@yaho.com> wrote in message
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> news:yw%Jj.66$7q2.65@newsfe05.lga...
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>
>
> >> Mine too. ?;-)
>
> > Well, what else do you expect DTMB to say? ?Seems like a very broad-view
> > person.
>
> > "Black athletes accused of raping white women are guilty."
>
> > "People who post in a Laker newsgroup are Kobe fans."
>
> Nonetheless, he seemed guilty to me

>Well, then we should all just forget the evidence and go by how it
>"seemed" to you.


No dumbass, I have the same evidence you do but the people that were there
probably are the only ones that really know.

>>and I know Laker fans wouldn't convict
>> Kolby of anything. ?

>Spelling his name wrong on purpose and your Lakers fans mock exposes
>the reason why you have come to your amateur opinion.

Maybe you could restate the above in English please.

>>And I know Laurel is a Bailraisers fan and respect her
>> but I disagree anyway. ?

>Does everything have to have some kind of emotional attachment before
>you can come deal with logic? Just look at the facts of the case and
>then you would discover the real truth, not your imagined truth.

Yea, he looked a hell of a lot more guilty than innocent. And if you
weren't blinded by crazy fandom, you would see the same thing. Or maybe you
are just naive, I don't know.

BTW, I admired the heck out of the '80's Lakers and attended many games in
Englewood loved Kareem and the boys so Laker hatred is the wrong answer.
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