Don Nelson's coaching abilities

"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No2Exists1.DeleteThis@Earth71.net> wrote in message
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> It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team
> around, and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and never
> to the main event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe the guy is
> just really gifted at pulling talent together, but does not know how to
> coach it to the bloody end? Maybe he knows basketball, but cannot direct
> it from the bench (i.e. his invention of the point forward)?
>
> If you look at his history... he did a lot of interesting things. I mean,
> he tried to bring O'neal to NY in a trade that would involve Ewing and so
> forth. There is no doubt that the guy knows talent.
>
> I know his coaching record suggests he is a great coach, but that is a lot
> of wins, not to have a championship to show for it (outside of his playing
> career).
>
> Out of the top 3 winningest coaches... I would take Pat...
>
> Any thoughts?
Agreed-saying in LA-"never bet against Pat Riley."
great coach
>
> ____
>
> --Boycotting the 2008 China Olympic Games--
>
>
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On Apr 21, 10:17 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No2Exis....DeleteThis@Earth71.net>
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> "greg brown" <no....DeleteThis@way.com> wrote in message
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> > I'll take Phil. Pats a little on the frenetic and emotional side. That
> > wears thin with the players sooner than later.
>
> > Greg
>
> Not to open this can of worms... but Phil sure did have some great tallent
> at the perfect times... perhaps something that the three winningest coaches
> did not have.

Yes he did. That's why this year is his best work ever as I said
earlier.

Rizzo
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On Apr 22, 6:58 am, "B Chang" <yang....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No2Exis....DeleteThis@Earth71.net> wrote in messagenews:FA9Pj.1844$nb4.1808@trnddc08...
>
>
>
> > It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team
> > around, and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and never
> > to the main event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe the guy is
> > just really gifted at pulling talent together, but does not know how to
> > coach it to the bloody end? Maybe he knows basketball, but cannot direct
> > it from the bench (i.e. his invention of the point forward)?
>
> > If you look at his history... he did a lot of interesting things. I mean,
> > he tried to bring O'neal to NY in a trade that would involve Ewing and so
> > forth. There is no doubt that the guy knows talent.
>
> > I know his coaching record suggests he is a great coach, but that is a lot
> > of wins, not to have a championship to show for it (outside of his playing
> > career).
>
> > Out of the top 3 winningest coaches... I would take Pat...
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > ____
>
> > --Boycotting the 2008 China Olympic Games--
>
> I think which is why he was bypassed for the Hall of Famer recently.
> One of the post stated it well though, it will depends on the state of your
> team.
>
> We can see Pat does particularly well on teams with talents. But if you
> have a non-playoff team who's best to turn it around than Nelson?
> Maybe it's a two step process. You get Nelson in here to lay the plan and
> have Pat or Larry Brown to take you to the promised land.
> I may even have Phil inherit this team if he can take the Lakers to the
> final this year.

I believe we are speaking about the coaches with the most wins and
those are the top three. Nobody said those are the best coaches. I'm
sure Red would have been mentioned at least once.
 >> Stay informed about: Don Nelson's coaching abilities 

What coaching abilities? If you are a team looking to make a serious
move into contention, you don't hire Nelson.

His tactics and styles might bring an entertaining style, but that
will get you nowhere in the long run. He is clueless utilizing big
men, and his teams do not play an ounce of defense. Every coach has
flaws, but he has some of the worst.

Not everyone is fortunate enough to play for the big trophy, but the
more successful ones usually get at least 1 or 2 chances. Karl
reached the championship series, Adelman twice (was very close on two
other occasions), Van Gundy in NY, even Bird in a short stint (he did
take over a team with a solid foundation). Sloan twice,

Nelson is just an overrated, over-glorified version of Doug Moe. But
because he has history with Boston, Nelson can stick around forever.
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Frank Rizzo <champ91917 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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> Greg, Phil isn't among the top three. Lenny, Nellie, Pat are the
> choices for that question.

Can you be top three if you've never won a title?
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Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
> It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team around,
> and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and never to the main
> event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe the guy is just really
> gifted at pulling talent together, but does not know how to coach it to the
> bloody end? Maybe he knows basketball, but cannot direct it from the bench
> (i.e. his invention of the point forward)?

Wel, it's not clear that the failure to win a championship is directly
related to his coaching abilities. Phils always says it's mostly about
the talent ... and I'm not sure Nellie has ever really had championship
level talent. I wonder if "smallball" is really all he wants to do or
just the best he can do with the personnel.

Maybe his gift is getting the best out of limited talent ... making it
appear that they have a better team than they really do ... then the
real deficiencies show up in the playoffs.

Rob
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Rob Davis <davis.rob.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in
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> Don't Taze Me, Bro! wrote:
>> It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team
>> around, and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and
>> never to the main event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe
>> the guy is just really gifted at pulling talent together, but does
>> not know how to coach it to the bloody end? Maybe he knows
>> basketball, but cannot direct it from the bench (i.e. his invention
>> of the point forward)?
>
> Wel, it's not clear that the failure to win a championship is directly
> related to his coaching abilities. Phils always says it's mostly about
> the talent ... and I'm not sure Nellie has ever really had
> championship level talent. I wonder if "smallball" is really all he
> wants to do or just the best he can do with the personnel.
>
> Maybe his gift is getting the best out of limited talent ... making it
> appear that they have a better team than they really do ... then the
> real deficiencies show up in the playoffs.

This seems mostly right, though the Dallas episode (with Johnson taking
the team to the finals the year after Nellie) does put some of the blame
on Nelson as a coach.

But his gift for getting the most out of limited talent is undeniable.
His ability to figure out how to get mismatches that work to his team's
advantage is genius. That's a shortcoming as well. He LOVES being a
genius, and eventually, that catches up with him.
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"Jeff Mayner" <jeffmayner RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, OK!
>
> Geeze. We got it the first time. ;-)

Sorry -- newsreader hiccup.
 >> Stay informed about: Don Nelson's coaching abilities 

He's a coach that can win with a lot of rosters that not many can win with,
but cannot win a title with rosters with which some others could.

"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" wrote:
>
> It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team around,
> and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and never to the main
> event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe the guy is just really
> gifted at pulling talent together, but does not know how to coach it to the
> bloody end? Maybe he knows basketball, but cannot direct it from the bench
> (i.e. his invention of the point forward)?
>
> If you look at his history... he did a lot of interesting things. I mean, he
> tried to bring O'neal to NY in a trade that would involve Ewing and so
> forth. There is no doubt that the guy knows talent.
>
> I know his coaching record suggests he is a great coach, but that is a lot
> of wins, not to have a championship to show for it (outside of his playing
> career).
>
> Out of the top 3 winningest coaches... I would take Pat...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> ____
>
> --Boycotting the 2008 China Olympic Games--


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On Apr 22, 11:39 am, Gary Collard <d... RemoveThis @ddd.com> wrote:
> He's a coach that can win with a lot of rosters that not many can win with,
> but cannot win a title with rosters with which some others could.
>
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team around,
> > and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and never to the main
> > event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe the guy is just really
> > gifted at pulling talent together, but does not know how to coach it to the
> > bloody end? Maybe he knows basketball, but cannot direct it from the bench
> > (i.e. his invention of the point forward)?
>
> > If you look at his history... he did a lot of interesting things. I mean, he
> > tried to bring O'neal to NY in a trade that would involve Ewing and so
> > forth. There is no doubt that the guy knows talent.
>
> > I know his coaching record suggests he is a great coach, but that is a lot
> > of wins, not to have a championship to show for it (outside of his playing
> > career).
>
> > Out of the top 3 winningest coaches... I would take Pat...
>
> > Any thoughts?
>
> > ____
>
> > --Boycotting the 2008 China Olympic Games--
>
> --
> Gary Collard
> SABR-L Moderator
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> "Obama is disconsolate that people 'cling' to rights guaranteed in
> the first and second amendments? Could we get his opinion on the
> rest of the Bill of Rights?" -- Tim Knowlton

Except nobody has followed him with a title, ever. Not in Milw, GS,
NY or Dall.

Rizzo
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One of Nelson's coaching disciples, Del Harris, also follows a similar
pattern. Harris was pretty good at taking a rebuilding team and
making them competitive (i.e. the turnaround he did with the Lakers in
'94-'95), and it's good to have him at the helm when you're rebuilding
and don't have a realistic shot at winning at all. When you're team
is seriously contending, however, it's time to replace Harris with
someone proven on the championship level.
 >> Stay informed about: Don Nelson's coaching abilities 

Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Apr 22, 11:39 am, Gary Collard <d....TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote:
>> He's a coach that can win with a lot of rosters that not many can win with,
>> but cannot win a title with rosters with which some others could.
>>
>> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> It appears that everywhere the man goes, he suddenly turns the team around,
>>> and then they either get to their peak in the playoffs and never to the main
>>> event, they stay the same, or they falter. Maybe the guy is just really
>>> gifted at pulling talent together, but does not know how to coach it to the
>>> bloody end? Maybe he knows basketball, but cannot direct it from the bench
>>> (i.e. his invention of the point forward)?
>>> If you look at his history... he did a lot of interesting things. I mean, he
>>> tried to bring O'neal to NY in a trade that would involve Ewing and so
>>> forth. There is no doubt that the guy knows talent.
>>> I know his coaching record suggests he is a great coach, but that is a lot
>>> of wins, not to have a championship to show for it (outside of his playing
>>> career).
>>> Out of the top 3 winningest coaches... I would take Pat...
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> ____
>>> --Boycotting the 2008 China Olympic Games--
>> --
>> Gary Collard
>> SABR-L Moderator
>> gmcoll....TakeThisOut@yahoo.comhttp://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "Obama is disconsolate that people 'cling' to rights guaranteed in
>> the first and second amendments? Could we get his opinion on the
>> rest of the Bill of Rights?" -- Tim Knowlton
>
> Except nobody has followed him with a title, ever. Not in Milw, GS,
> NY or Dall.



Which reminds me, he did have Bob Lanier (although on the older side)
playing for him at one point. That Bucks team was probably his most
talented. Unfortunately for them, they had the likes of Larry Bird,
Moses Malone, Dr. J and Kevin McHale to contend with.

-JC
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On Apr 22, 12:42 pm, Ken Cheng <kench... DeleteThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> One of Nelson's coaching disciples, Del Harris, also follows a similar
> pattern. Harris was pretty good at taking a rebuilding team and
> making them competitive (i.e. the turnaround he did with the Lakers in
> '94-'95), and it's good to have him at the helm when you're rebuilding
> and don't have a realistic shot at winning at all. When you're team
> is seriously contending, however, it's time to replace Harris with
> someone proven on the championship level.

Another Nelson disciple is Popovich, who obviously can take a team to
the next level. Interesting that his forte' is defense.

Rizzo
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