ESPN: More than a pocketful for Posey in this lucrative deal

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&p...=Posey_

You knew this was coming -- the inevitable overreaction to a role
player on a championship team in free agency. Every year there's one
guy whom teams can't stop fawning over, and this year it was James
Posey. Sure, he was an integral part of championship teams for both
Miami and Boston, but as with a lot of players who win rings it can be
hard for us to look at him rationally.

That's why role players on title winners tend to get unusually
generous contracts, and Posey appears to be the latest example. The
same guy who inked a two-year deal (the second was a player option)
for just a portion of the midlevel exception last summer to join the
Celtics suddenly finds himself enriched with a four-year, $25 million
deal by the Hornets. If that seems excessive for a 31-year-old who
hasn't averaged more than 8.1 points per game in any of the past four
seasons, it's because it is.

It's true that Posey brings three things to the table: defense,
rebounding and 3-point shooting. He's not an all-defense guy, but he's
an above-average defender who can play multiple positions, and that's
certainly helpful. So are the 3s -- in his past three campaigns he's
hit 40.3 percent, 37.5 percent and 38.0 percent from downtown. And
he's an underrated defensive rebounder who had the third-best
defensive rebound rate among small forwards last season.

But those strengths need to be seen in the context of the bigger
picture. The guy has all but abandoned shooting anything besides a 3
-- two-thirds of his shots were triples, the fourth-highest rate in
the league and the highest among nonguards -- so despite the 3s, he's
a fairly inert offensive player.

And, as I mentioned, he's a 31-year-old who will be handsomely paid
'til age 35. Nobody wanted to pay him this kind of dough when he was
30, and his production wasn't any different last year -- just the
result in June.

And since this is so hard for people to remember, I'll say it again:
The Hornets aren't paying for what Posey gave the Celtics last year,
or what he gave the Heat in 2006, but for what he can potentially give
the Hornets from 2008 to 2012. And that production is likely to
diminish substantially from its already modest levels.

Comb through the books and try to find perimeter players who played
well until 35 -- it's tough. Now try to find some who played well 'til
that age after scoring single figures in their 20s. Good luck.

For better insight into Posey's future, let's take a look at what
happened to some similar players -- those who rated as statistically
similar based on their performance at the same age, played primarily
on the wing and were in his league as a defender. The top names on
that list are Bryon Russell, Dan Majerle, Jaren Jackson, Rick Fox and
Raja Bell.

• Bell is only a year older and declined noticeably last season.
• Majerle declined sharply starting at 30 and had his last useful
season at 32.
• Jackson had a quality season at 32 but played 25 games the rest of
his career.
• Russell lost it at 31 and never got it back, though he managed to
hang around for four more years.
• Fox played reasonably well until 33 and then lost it, hard, and was
out of the league by 35.

Swim deeper in the similarity pool and you'll find similar stories
from Walter McCarty, Shandon Anderson, Lucious Harris, Doug Christie,
Eddie Jones and Aaron McKie.

Yes, you'll find a couple exceptions if you look hard enough, most
notably Mario Elie and Bruce Bowen. But the big-picture takeaway is
that most players decline sharply between ages 31 and 35, and if Posey
wasn't that good at 31 he's likely to be unplayable by the time he's
35. That's why nobody else wanted to give him four guaranteed years.

I have two other problems with this signing from the Hornets'
perspective. First, it doesn't address their main weaknesses. New
Orleans badly needs additional frontcourt depth and it seemed only
reasonable that it would use the midlevel exception to address that
need.

If not a frontcourt player, one presumed the Hornets would at least
use the midlevel to target a shooting guard, where Morris Peterson was
up and down this past season. Perhaps they think Posey can play the 2
full time, but that seems a major stretch for a guy who has played
almost exclusively the 3 and 4 with Miami and Boston.

Second, Posey creates a playing-time problem because he's a natural 3
who can swing to the 4 in small-ball lineups -- just like their 2007
first-round pick, Julian Wright. Presumably Wright will now be buried
on the bench -- even though he was immensely productive in his limited
minutes last season and figures to be better in his second season.

As for Boston, losing Posey certainly was a blow, but it was correct
not to match the Hornets' overreaction. If Tony Allen comes back
healthy he can replace a lot of the defensive mettle Posey provided,
while the hope is that rookies J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker can also
fill in some of the departed production. And if those options don't
work out, of course, it's easier for the Celtics to sign or trade for
a replacement if they're not saddled by a long-term midlevel
commitment to Posey.

So I'm not a big fan of his move. The Hornets have the nucleus of an
outstanding team with Chris Paul, David West and Tyson Chandler, but I
worry that they're forcing the issue with big-money veteran signings
like Posey and Peja Stojakovic two years ago instead of a more patient
approach. The fact that this move didn't address any apparent need,
while overpaying a player who seems certain to decline, only makes it
more puzzling. New Orleans has enough talent on hand that the Hornets
may very well make a deep playoff run anyway, but it's hard for me to
see how this improved their odds much.

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You knew this was coming -- the inevitable overreaction to a role
player on a championship team in free agency. Every year there's one
guy whom teams can't stop fawning over, and this year it was James
Posey. Sure, he was an integral part of championship teams for both
Miami and Boston, but as with a lot of players who win rings it can be
hard for us to look at him rationally.

That's why role players on title winners tend to get unusually
generous contracts, and Posey appears to be the latest example. The
same guy who inked a two-year deal (the second was a player option)
for just a portion of the midlevel exception last summer to join the
Celtics suddenly finds himself enriched with a four-year, $25 million
deal by the Hornets. If that seems excessive for a 31-year-old who
hasn't averaged more than 8.1 points per game in any of the past four
seasons, it's because it is.

It's true that Posey brings three things to the table: defense,
rebounding and 3-point shooting. He's not an all-defense guy, but he's
an above-average defender who can play multiple positions, and that's
certainly helpful. So are the 3s -- in his past three campaigns he's
hit 40.3 percent, 37.5 percent and 38.0 percent from downtown. And
he's an underrated defensive rebounder who had the third-best
defensive rebound rate among small forwards last season.

But those strengths need to be seen in the context of the bigger
picture. The guy has all but abandoned shooting anything besides a 3
-- two-thirds of his shots were triples, the fourth-highest rate in
the league and the highest among nonguards -- so despite the 3s, he's
a fairly inert offensive player.

And, as I mentioned, he's a 31-year-old who will be handsomely paid
'til age 35. Nobody wanted to pay him this kind of dough when he was
30, and his production wasn't any different last year -- just the
result in June.

And since this is so hard for people to remember, I'll say it again:
The Hornets aren't paying for what Posey gave the Celtics last year,
or what he gave the Heat in 2006, but for what he can potentially give
the Hornets from 2008 to 2012. And that production is likely to
diminish substantially from its already modest levels.

Comb through the books and try to find perimeter players who played
well until 35 -- it's tough. Now try to find some who played well 'til
that age after scoring single figures in their 20s. Good luck.

For better insight into Posey's future, let's take a look at what
happened to some similar players -- those who rated as statistically
similar based on their performance at the same age, played primarily
on the wing and were in his league as a defender. The top names on
that list are Bryon Russell, Dan Majerle, Jaren Jackson, Rick Fox and
Raja Bell.

• Bell is only a year older and declined noticeably last season.
• Majerle declined sharply starting at 30 and had his last useful
season at 32.
• Jackson had a quality season at 32 but played 25 games the rest of
his career.
• Russell lost it at 31 and never got it back, though he managed to
hang around for four more years.
• Fox played reasonably well until 33 and then lost it, hard, and was
out of the league by 35.

Swim deeper in the similarity pool and you'll find similar stories
from Walter McCarty, Shandon Anderson, Lucious Harris, Doug Christie,
Eddie Jones and Aaron McKie.

Yes, you'll find a couple exceptions if you look hard enough, most
notably Mario Elie and Bruce Bowen. But the big-picture takeaway is
that most players decline sharply between ages 31 and 35, and if Posey
wasn't that good at 31 he's likely to be unplayable by the time he's
35. That's why nobody else wanted to give him four guaranteed years.

I have two other problems with this signing from the Hornets'
perspective. First, it doesn't address their main weaknesses. New
Orleans badly needs additional frontcourt depth and it seemed only
reasonable that it would use the midlevel exception to address that
need.

If not a frontcourt player, one presumed the Hornets would at least
use the midlevel to target a shooting guard, where Morris Peterson was
up and down this past season. Perhaps they think Posey can play the 2
full time, but that seems a major stretch for a guy who has played
almost exclusively the 3 and 4 with Miami and Boston.

Second, Posey creates a playing-time problem because he's a natural 3
who can swing to the 4 in small-ball lineups -- just like their 2007
first-round pick, Julian Wright. Presumably Wright will now be buried
on the bench -- even though he was immensely productive in his limited
minutes last season and figures to be better in his second season.

As for Boston, losing Posey certainly was a blow, but it was correct
not to match the Hornets' overreaction. If Tony Allen comes back
healthy he can replace a lot of the defensive mettle Posey provided,
while the hope is that rookies J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker can also
fill in some of the departed production. And if those options don't
work out, of course, it's easier for the Celtics to sign or trade for
a replacement if they're not saddled by a long-term midlevel
commitment to Posey.

So I'm not a big fan of his move. The Hornets have the nucleus of an
outstanding team with Chris Paul, David West and Tyson Chandler, but I
worry that they're forcing the issue with big-money veteran signings
like Posey and Peja Stojakovic two years ago instead of a more patient
approach. The fact that this move didn't address any apparent need,
while overpaying a player who seems certain to decline, only makes it
more puzzling. New Orleans has enough talent on hand that the Hornets
may very well make a deep playoff run anyway, but it's hard for me to
see how this improved their odds much.



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all good points, excellent post