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levi

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Since: Jan 13, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:42 am
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The 82games.com site has added a feature, comparing players'
computed "Fair Salary" to their "Actual Salary".

http://www.82games.com/0506/fairsalary0506.htm

I just had to laugh, comparing Olowokandi to Blount. I thought
that Blount's actual salary being four times larger than his fair
salary sucked, until I saw Kandi's - some ten times larger than
what his performance would warrant.

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506MIN.HTM

I would think that the "Fair Salary" could be used as a guide
for what free agents (such as Andy's favorite primate) might
recieve in any new contracts. Actually, looking at what McHale
is paying many of the the Wolves, you might double that.

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ikrushlots

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:51 am
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Interesting concept, but at first glance I think it's bunk. Hassell
only $2.4? Jaric's fair value a whopping $5.68? Fun, but I don't find
it useful at all.

levi wrote:
> The 82games.com site has added a feature, comparing players'
> computed "Fair Salary" to their "Actual Salary".
>
> http://www.82games.com/0506/fairsalary0506.htm
>
> I just had to laugh, comparing Olowokandi to Blount. I thought
> that Blount's actual salary being four times larger than his fair
> salary sucked, until I saw Kandi's - some ten times larger than
> what his performance would warrant.
>
> http://www.82games.com/0506/0506MIN.HTM
>
> I would think that the "Fair Salary" could be used as a guide
> for what free agents (such as Andy's favorite primate) might
> recieve in any new contracts. Actually, looking at what McHale
> is paying many of the the Wolves, you might double that.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:25 am
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"levi" <levi.DeleteThis@visi.com> wrote in message
news:1150123367.983633.30480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> The 82games.com site has added a feature, comparing players'
> computed "Fair Salary" to their "Actual Salary".
>
> http://www.82games.com/0506/fairsalary0506.htm

That's a cool link, thanks.

No surprise to see LeBron at the top. Not only does he win the outright
value prize but easily wins the net diff between "fair" and actual.

Encouraging for Lakers fans to see their big 2 both outperforming their
salaries (Kobe big, Odom by a decent amount).

Again no surprise to see KG easily earning his big salary - and then some.

I am a bit surprised to see that both the O'Neals take the booby prize among
top 60 players for worst deficit between "fair" salary and actual salary.
Shaq about $8M in the red, Jermaine about $9M in the red - likely because
they both missed a good deal of time with injuries. I'm quite sure there
are guys making the max like Tim Thomas or Brian Grant who easily beat both
of them though.

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levi

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:30 am
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brink wrote:
> "levi" <levi.DeleteThis@visi.com> wrote in message
> news:1150123367.983633.30480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > The 82games.com site has added a feature, comparing players'
> > computed "Fair Salary" to their "Actual Salary".
> >
> > http://www.82games.com/0506/fairsalary0506.htm
>
> That's a cool link, thanks.
>
> No surprise to see LeBron at the top. Not only does he win the outright
> value prize but easily wins the net diff between "fair" and actual.
>
> Encouraging for Lakers fans to see their big 2 both outperforming their
> salaries (Kobe big, Odom by a decent amount).
>
> Again no surprise to see KG easily earning his big salary - and then some.
>
> I am a bit surprised to see that both the O'Neals take the booby prize among
> top 60 players for worst deficit between "fair" salary and actual salary.
> Shaq about $8M in the red, Jermaine about $9M in the red - likely because
> they both missed a good deal of time with injuries. I'm quite sure there
> are guys making the max like Tim Thomas or Brian Grant who easily beat both
> of them though.
>

Yes, injury time, or any time not played, does count
against a player's "fair" value.

I couldn't find any explanation of how the FV numbers
were generated, so Ikrushlots' complaint that they are
not really useful is valid.

Although the numbers are supposed to take into account
"one-on-one defense", if Roland uses the numbers from
the "opponent" production, he admits freely that guys
like Trenton Hassell suffer because he does not have a
way to track "cross guarding". This means that Trenton
often gets charged for the production of Wally or Ricky's
defensive assignment in the "Opponent's PER", because
he gets all the tough covers at the 2 or 3.
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