Flip: How Good is He?

On 30 May 2006 08:10:37 -0700, "ikrushlots@aol.com"
<ikrushlots.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

>I feel bad for Flip and what's going on in Detroit, but it's gotta make
>you wonder how good he really is. I'm starting to think that it might
>be true that he's a great regular season coach but doesn't have what it
>takes to win playoff basketball. He took over a championship team and
>has lost them, with both Wallaces and Prince complaining in the media.
>
>I don't think the Wolves let go of a great coach.
>
>Thoughts?

Well, I'm with you on feeling bad for Flip with the Pistons this
season. But there has got to be something going on with the
way they have been playing in the playoffs. I don't know if it's
Flip not adjusting to the other team quick enough, or not working
them hard enough in their down time...or maybe working them too
hard in the down time, but something is going on. The Pistons
had to claw and scratch their way out of the Cleveland series,
and they look lifeless and tired in this Miami series.

Something is going on, and if some of the players are pointing
at Flip as one of the causes, you *do* have to wonder.




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>
> Something is going on, and if some of the players are pointing
> at Flip as one of the causes, you *do* have to wonder.
>
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjnsWMOV.qNEnBkEsT6.ZmU5nYcB?slu...w-flip0

What's going on? A healthy motivated Shaq, and Dwayne Wade playing at
a level that renews my faith that basketball is the greatest game, or
as Bill Walton says, "The game given an undiserving world, by a
benevolent deity....."

the above article has this gem:

Saunders' greatest failure is losing Ben Wallace's confidence.
Wallace's marginalization in Detroit's offense has affected his entire
game.

I've written this before, but as strange as it sounds, the secret to
getting the Defensive Player of the Year to play his best is to include
him, at least a little, offensively. But Saunders has failed to do
that, almost embarrassing Wallace on the offensive end by ignoring him.


During the 2004 NBA championship run, Wallace averaged 8.9 shots a
game, at least four or five of which came out of Brown's set plays. Big
Ben averaged 10.3 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.4 blocks and 1.9 steals
while putting out a hellacious, and contagious, effort.

This postseason, Wallace is averaging a meager 3.9 shots a game and his
numbers have dropped across the board - just 4.3 points, 10.9
rebounds, 1.2 blocks and 1.4 steals.

.....two observations. It's sad to see what I use to think of as the
most selfless players in the NBA Ben Wallace become just another
primadonna belly-acher. Detroit's run is done.
Actually if you read the entire article Prince actually downplayed the
mutiny. But part of Ben Wallace's disappearance in the Heat series, is
Shaq, NOT FLIP.

Flip will love coaching the Golden Gophers in 2008-2009

Andy
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Andy H wrote:
> >
> > Something is going on, and if some of the players are pointing
> > at Flip as one of the causes, you *do* have to wonder.
> >
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjnsWMOV.qNEnBkEsT6.ZmU5nYcB?slu...w-flip0
>
> What's going on? A healthy motivated Shaq, and Dwayne Wade playing at
> a level that renews my faith that basketball is the greatest game, or
> as Bill Walton says, "The game given an undiserving world, by a
> benevolent deity....."
>
> the above article has this gem:
>
> Saunders' greatest failure is losing Ben Wallace's confidence.
> Wallace's marginalization in Detroit's offense has affected his entire
> game.
>
> I've written this before, but as strange as it sounds, the secret to
> getting the Defensive Player of the Year to play his best is to include
> him, at least a little, offensively. But Saunders has failed to do
> that, almost embarrassing Wallace on the offensive end by ignoring him.
>
>
> During the 2004 NBA championship run, Wallace averaged 8.9 shots a
> game, at least four or five of which came out of Brown's set plays. Big
> Ben averaged 10.3 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.4 blocks and 1.9 steals
> while putting out a hellacious, and contagious, effort.
>
> This postseason, Wallace is averaging a meager 3.9 shots a game and his
> numbers have dropped across the board - just 4.3 points, 10.9
> rebounds, 1.2 blocks and 1.4 steals.
>
> ....two observations. It's sad to see what I use to think of as the
> most selfless players in the NBA Ben Wallace become just another
> primadonna belly-acher. Detroit's run is done.
> Actually if you read the entire article Prince actually downplayed the
> mutiny. But part of Ben Wallace's disappearance in the Heat series, is
> Shaq, NOT FLIP.
>
> Flip will love coaching the Golden Gophers in 2008-2009
>
> Andy

I think the writer is onto something there. Flip had the
Wolves set up where Trenton Hassell didn't get offensive
opportunities. It makes sense of Billups saying that Flip
was "playing the percentages".

A lesson for Flip may be that coaching is more than just
Xs and Os.
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levi wrote:
> Andy H wrote:
> > >
> > > Something is going on, and if some of the players are pointing
> > > at Flip as one of the causes, you *do* have to wonder.
> > >
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjnsWMOV.qNEnBkEsT6.ZmU5nYcB?slu...w-flip0
> >
> > What's going on? A healthy motivated Shaq, and Dwayne Wade playing at
> > a level that renews my faith that basketball is the greatest game, or
> > as Bill Walton says, "The game given an undiserving world, by a
> > benevolent deity....."
> >
> > the above article has this gem:
> >
> > Saunders' greatest failure is losing Ben Wallace's confidence.
> > Wallace's marginalization in Detroit's offense has affected his entire
> > game.
> >
> > I've written this before, but as strange as it sounds, the secret to
> > getting the Defensive Player of the Year to play his best is to include
> > him, at least a little, offensively. But Saunders has failed to do
> > that, almost embarrassing Wallace on the offensive end by ignoring him.
> >
> >
> > During the 2004 NBA championship run, Wallace averaged 8.9 shots a
> > game, at least four or five of which came out of Brown's set plays. Big
> > Ben averaged 10.3 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.4 blocks and 1.9 steals
> > while putting out a hellacious, and contagious, effort.
> >
> > This postseason, Wallace is averaging a meager 3.9 shots a game and his
> > numbers have dropped across the board - just 4.3 points, 10.9
> > rebounds, 1.2 blocks and 1.4 steals.
> >
> > ....two observations. It's sad to see what I use to think of as the
> > most selfless players in the NBA Ben Wallace become just another
> > primadonna belly-acher. Detroit's run is done.
> > Actually if you read the entire article Prince actually downplayed the
> > mutiny. But part of Ben Wallace's disappearance in the Heat series, is
> > Shaq, NOT FLIP.
> >
> > Flip will love coaching the Golden Gophers in 2008-2009
> >
> > Andy
>
> I think the writer is onto something there. Flip had the
> Wolves set up where Trenton Hassell didn't get offensive
> opportunities. It makes sense of Billups saying that Flip
> was "playing the percentages".
>
> A lesson for Flip may be that coaching is more than just
> Xs and Os.

Flip also did the same thing with Joe Smith. Smith used to complain,
in his nice-guy way, that no plays were ever run for him and all his
points were "garbage points".

Flip has never been good at getting the ball to big men. He has
perimeter offense and is unwilling to change it much to fit his
players. That's part of his problem. The difference between Riley and
Flip was noted on television, and has some merit. Riley fits his
approach with his talent, Flip doesn't.

Detroit looked far more motivated last night. Kudos to Flip. I hope
it continues.
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> > I think the writer is onto something there. Flip had the
> > Wolves set up where Trenton Hassell didn't get offensive
> > opportunities. It makes sense of Billups saying that Flip
> > was "playing the percentages".
> >
> > A lesson for Flip may be that coaching is more than just
> > Xs and Os.
>
> Flip also did the same thing with Joe Smith. Smith used to complain,
> in his nice-guy way, that no plays were ever run for him and all his
> points were "garbage points".
>

It might explain why Rasho seemed gleeful to move on to San Antonio
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On 6 Jun 2006 02:38:30 -0700, "Andy H" <aharcus DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:

>
>> > I think the writer is onto something there. Flip had the
>> > Wolves set up where Trenton Hassell didn't get offensive
>> > opportunities. It makes sense of Billups saying that Flip
>> > was "playing the percentages".
>> >
>> > A lesson for Flip may be that coaching is more than just
>> > Xs and Os.
>>
>> Flip also did the same thing with Joe Smith. Smith used to complain,
>> in his nice-guy way, that no plays were ever run for him and all his
>> points were "garbage points".
>>
>
>It might explain why Rasho seemed gleeful to move on to San Antonio


I don't think Rasho is emotionally capable of "glee". ;)



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>
>
> I don't think Rasho is emotionally capable of "glee". ;)
>

Slavic glee is different.
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