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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:35 pm
Post subject: Giddens - I love this pick
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| I think the Giddens pick is brilliant by Ainge. High end talent, and
with a championship team fronted by Garnett and Pierce to help the kid
screw his head on straight...could be a big time steal. I love that
Ainge rolled the dice from the bottom of the draft....
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:15 am
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On Jun 27, 11:35 pm, smacdo <not_your_grandfathers_em....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
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> I think the Giddens pick is brilliant by Ainge. High end talent, and
> with a championship team fronted by Garnett and Pierce to help the kid
> screw his head on straight...could be a big time steal. I love that
> Ainge rolled the dice from the bottom of the draft....
I've watched Giddens play, and he is talented, but the Celts had
bigger needs than off-guard. Let's assume that this move signifies
that the player they intend to let go is Tony Allen--a bench player
who made little impact. Why worry about replacing Allen when they
didn't rely on him? A better move would be solidifying the depth
inside--a big man who can keep Perkins healthy and out of foul
trouble.
I'm okay with the Giddens pick for one reason: rebounds. He crashes
the boards like a forward. If Giddens can be coached to assume a
largely defensive/rebounding role he will be valuable. I would rather
they went big, and safe. They could have locked up a playoff berth
for years to come with a big powerful inside rebounder and defender.
(DeAndre Jordan, Petrovic, Asik, etc.) Hopefully they find a way to
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:39 am
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"smacdo" <not_your_grandfathers_email DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I think the Giddens pick is brilliant by Ainge. High end talent, and
> with a championship team fronted by Garnett and Pierce to help the kid
> screw his head on straight...could be a big time steal. I love that
> Ainge rolled the dice from the bottom of the draft....
Are you back for good buddy?
Sure do miss you around here. Sorry you're so far away. >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:46 am
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On Jun 28, 12:35 am, smacdo <not_your_grandfathers_em... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
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> I think the Giddens pick is brilliant by Ainge. High end talent, and
> with a championship team fronted by Garnett and Pierce to help the kid
> screw his head on straight...could be a big time steal. I love that
> Ainge rolled the dice from the bottom of the draft....
now Pierce has someone to compare stab wounds with. should be a win-
win.
- nate >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:43 am
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In article <eBq9k.175254$TT4.71394@attbi_s22>,
Skeptic <bcs002b.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Is it just me, or does anyone else here think we still need a big?
We still need a big. I mean, OK, we drafted for talent rather than for
need, which I generally approve of, but man do we need a big.
Jamaal Magloire have anything left? He'd be cheap, he used to be a
10 PPG/8 rebounds type.
Chris Andersen, I guess. Maybe Lorenzen Wright? I'm reaching. There
are a lot of guys out there who can score a few points in 15 minutes per
game, but none of them excite me. I think Magloire would be the best of
an indifferent free agent group.
I bet Ben Pepper is still available.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:10 pm
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"Bryant Durrell" <durrell.TakeThisOut@innocence.com> wrote in message
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> In article <eBq9k.175254$TT4.71394@attbi_s22>,
> Skeptic <bcs002b.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Is it just me, or does anyone else here think we still need a big?
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> We still need a big. I mean, OK, we drafted for talent rather than for
> need, which I generally approve of, but man do we need a big.
>
> Jamaal Magloire have anything left? He'd be cheap, he used to be a
> 10 PPG/8 rebounds type.
To me he'd be an older, less talented Perkins. Just as slow and laboring.
Nah. There must be better.
> Chris Andersen, I guess. Maybe Lorenzen Wright? I'm reaching.
Neither one excites me, though had we talked about PJ Brown last off season
I'd have said the same thing.
> There
> are a lot of guys out there who can score a few points in 15 minutes per
> game, but none of them excite me. I think Magloire would be the best of
> an indifferent free agent group.
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> I bet Ben Pepper is still available.
heh. Maybe Ike Austin ;) >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:40 pm
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On Jun 28, 5:39 am, "Robert Chin" <bchin....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are you back for good buddy?
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> Sure do miss you around here. Sorry you're so far away.
Awww shucks... ;)
I plan on popping by once in a while...it will probably be a gradual
thing. As I get further past the rough spots I hit, I'll have more
time for distractions of a more positive nature... >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:41 am
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"JK" <no.DeleteThis@way.net> wrote in message
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> I really don't think KG's age is a major factor. He should be able to
> dominate for at least 3 or 4 more years, and still be a valuable
> player for several years beyond that, if he so chooses. Kareem,
> anyone?
3-4 years, he'll be fine. But he won't be as effective for as long as
Kareem was. Kareem was one of those players that had an unstoppable move
that he could always go to. KG is not like that. He plays all out with a
level of athleticism that Kareem could never match. He'll burn out faster
just because of his intensity alone.
Think about what KG does...After the C's make a basket, he'll often apply a
varying amount of pressure on the inbound pass. Then he'll find the ball
and defend it (again, with a varying amount of pressure depending on the
game situation) as it comes up the court. He'll then pass the player off to
someone else and drop into the paint. Then he'll defned anything that comes
into the paint and/or grab the rebound. Kareem never did any of that. >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:15 am
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On Jun 28, 5:01 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Beiselbub©" <yank_ees_s....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 27, 11:35 pm, smacdo <not_your_grandfathers_em....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > I think the Giddens pick is brilliant by Ainge. High end talent, and
> > with a championship team fronted by Garnett and Pierce to help the kid
> > screw his head on straight...could be a big time steal. I love that
> > Ainge rolled the dice from the bottom of the draft....
>
> I've watched Giddens play, and he is talented, but the Celts had
> bigger needs than off-guard. Let's assume that this move signifies
> that the player they intend to let go is Tony Allen--a bench player
> who made little impact. Why worry about replacing Allen when they
> didn't rely on him? A better move would be solidifying the depth
> inside--a big man who can keep Perkins healthy and out of foul
> trouble.
>
> I'm okay with the Giddens pick for one reason: rebounds. He crashes
> the boards like a forward. If Giddens can be coached to assume a
> largely defensive/rebounding role he will be valuable. I would rather
> they went big, and safe. They could have locked up a playoff berth
> for years to come with a big powerful inside rebounder and defender.
> (DeAndre Jordan, Petrovic, Asik, etc.) Hopefully they find a way to
> address the depth at center in free agency.
>
> **********************************************************
>
> It all goes back to a simple question - do you draft based on need or on
> best available? I favor the latter. If there were no possible stars left
> for big men, and they truly felt Giddens has that potential, it was the
> right thing to do.
How about luring Zo back from retirement? He's big, and he might hold
on for a year as a backup.
Andre >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:12 am
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In article <g46kou$h12$1@aioe.org>, Don Simard <simard57.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>What three spots do these rookies compete for?
> - (-1) will Erden go back to turkey so we are looking at 2 spots?
Yep -- he's got a year left on his contract over there, and he probably
needs the time to develop.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:02 pm
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:41:47 -0400, "Robert Chin" <bchin_us.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
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>"JK" <no.TakeThisOut@way.net> wrote in message
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>> I really don't think KG's age is a major factor. He should be able to
>> dominate for at least 3 or 4 more years, and still be a valuable
>> player for several years beyond that, if he so chooses. Kareem,
>> anyone?
>
>3-4 years, he'll be fine. But he won't be as effective for as long as
>Kareem was. Kareem was one of those players that had an unstoppable move
>that he could always go to. KG is not like that.
I disagree. There's not a player in the basketball who can stop his
turn around jumper out to 15'. It's unblockable unless a
double-teamer gets a piece of it from behind. He can always go to
that shot. >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:57 pm
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On Jun 30, 5:28 pm, JK <n... DeleteThis @way.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:59 -0400, "Robert Chin" <bchin... DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >"JK" <n... DeleteThis @way.net> wrote in message
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> >> I disagree. There's not a player in the basketball who can stop his
> >> turn around jumper out to 15'. It's unblockable unless a
> >> double-teamer gets a piece of it from behind. He can always go to
> >> that shot.
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> >If you are talking about how long KG will be effective and HOW effective, it
> >won't be as long as Kareem was. If we're talking 3-4 more years, I already
> >agreed.
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> >Maybe that jumper is "unblockable" but when his legs start to go, so does
> >the jumper. Jabbar could have shot the skyhook until he was 50 if he had
> >wanted to.
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> A large portion of why it's such a deadly shot is due to KG's height,
> wingspan and his release, which occurs with his arms nearly fully
> extended upwards, and the amount of arch he puts on it. And it's not
> as if in 4 years, at 36 years of age, KG will suddenly be limited to a
> 20" vertical. I believe he'll have that shot reliably available in
> his arsenal for as long as he wants to play.
>
you're missing the point - a jumper become less *accurate* (not less
*available*) as a player ages and their legs go. nobody doubts the
shot will be available - i share bob's doubt that he'll be able to
*make* it as reliably in 3-4 years. the hook relies the least on the
legs of any shot, and when it's being taken from 12-15 feet like
kareem routinely did, you can still make it.
> >You've also got to consider that other teams would rather give up a 15 foot
> >turnaround to KG than to have him within 10 feet of the basket.
>
> 2 points is the same regardless of where you shoot it.
but accuracy drops for most guys with increased distance, moreso as
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:19 pm
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"JK" <no DeleteThis @way.net> wrote in message
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> I disagree. There's not a player in the basketball who can stop his
> turn around jumper out to 15'. It's unblockable unless a
> double-teamer gets a piece of it from behind. He can always go to
> that shot.
If you are talking about how long KG will be effective and HOW effective, it
won't be as long as Kareem was. If we're talking 3-4 more years, I already
agreed.
Maybe that jumper is "unblockable" but when his legs start to go, so does
the jumper. Jabbar could have shot the skyhook until he was 50 if he had
wanted to.
You've also got to consider that other teams would rather give up a 15 foot
turnaround to KG than to have him within 10 feet of the basket. >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:28 pm
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:59 -0400, "Robert Chin" <bchin_us DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
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>"JK" <no DeleteThis @way.net> wrote in message
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>> I disagree. There's not a player in the basketball who can stop his
>> turn around jumper out to 15'. It's unblockable unless a
>> double-teamer gets a piece of it from behind. He can always go to
>> that shot.
>
>If you are talking about how long KG will be effective and HOW effective, it
>won't be as long as Kareem was. If we're talking 3-4 more years, I already
>agreed.
>
>Maybe that jumper is "unblockable" but when his legs start to go, so does
>the jumper. Jabbar could have shot the skyhook until he was 50 if he had
>wanted to.
A large portion of why it's such a deadly shot is due to KG's height,
wingspan and his release, which occurs with his arms nearly fully
extended upwards, and the amount of arch he puts on it. And it's not
as if in 4 years, at 36 years of age, KG will suddenly be limited to a
20" vertical. I believe he'll have that shot reliably available in
his arsenal for as long as he wants to play.
>You've also got to consider that other teams would rather give up a 15 foot
>turnaround to KG than to have him within 10 feet of the basket.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:05 pm
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"JK" <no.RemoveThis@way.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:19:59 -0400, "Robert Chin" <bchin_us.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> A large portion of why it's such a deadly shot is due to KG's height,
> wingspan and his release, which occurs with his arms nearly fully
> extended upwards, and the amount of arch he puts on it. And it's not
> as if in 4 years, at 36 years of age, KG will suddenly be limited to a
> 20" vertical. I believe he'll have that shot reliably available in
> his arsenal for as long as he wants to play.
sounds like how the Chief use to shoot and he played into his 40's
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>>You've also got to consider that other teams would rather give up a 15
>>foot
>>turnaround to KG than to have him within 10 feet of the basket.
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> 2 points is the same regardless of where you shoot it. >> Stay informed about: Giddens - I love this pick |
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