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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:49 am
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I for one will not be in the least bit sad to see the guy go.
Kobe Won't Sign an Extension with LA Yet
Posted: 8/9/2008 7:22:00 AM
Source: Yahoo!
Kobe Bryant won’t sign a contract extension with the Los Angeles
Lakers until he has tested the global market, the U.S. Olympic
basketball star told Yahoo! Sports on Saturday.
Asked whether he plans to solicit overseas offers before signing an
extension, Bryant flatly said yes.
It’s possible Bryant could leave the NBA for Europe – perhaps in a
dual role of owner and player – as early as next summer. Bryant is
signed with the Lakers through the 2010-11 season, but can opt out
after next season.
Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
“As players, the business of the game (is) evolving,” Bryant said
before a Team USA practice at Beijing Normal University. “I think free
agency now is becoming a global thing …. When players become free
agents, the team they’re currently with – their competition is no
longer the rest of the teams in the NBA. But it’s global. So, the
market’s opened up. So we’ll just have to see how the league responds
to it.”
Bryant spent several years of his childhood in Italy and loves it
there. Seven years ago, he bought an ownership stake in Olimpia Milano
of the Italian league for his father Joe to run. When Bryant was asked
whether he held intrigue with owning and playing on a team together,
he said, “Absolutely.”
Some basketball executives believe Bryant’s ultimate ambition might be
to have a majority ownership with a powerhouse Italian team while
serving as its superstar. What’s more, Bryant, 29, insists that it
wouldn’t be such a leap of faith for him to leave the NBA. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:43 pm
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On Aug 9, 6:49 am, agaxxan <agax....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I for one will not be in the least bit sad to see the guy go.
>
> Kobe Won't Sign an Extension with LA Yet
>
> Posted: 8/9/2008 7:22:00 AM
> Source: Yahoo!
>
> Kobe Bryant won’t sign a contract extension with the Los Angeles
> Lakers until he has tested the global market, the U.S. Olympic
> basketball star told Yahoo! Sports on Saturday.
>
> Asked whether he plans to solicit overseas offers before signing an
> extension, Bryant flatly said yes.
>
> It’s possible Bryant could leave the NBA for Europe – perhaps in a
> dual role of owner and player – as early as next summer. Bryant is
> signed with the Lakers through the 2010-11 season, but can opt out
> after next season.
>
> Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
> changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
> an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
> Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
>
> “As players, the business of the game (is) evolving,” Bryant said
> before a Team USA practice at Beijing Normal University. “I think free
> agency now is becoming a global thing …. When players become free
> agents, the team they’re currently with – their competition is no
> longer the rest of the teams in the NBA. But it’s global. So, the
> market’s opened up. So we’ll just have to see how the league responds
> to it.”
>
> Bryant spent several years of his childhood in Italy and loves it
> there. Seven years ago, he bought an ownership stake in Olimpia Milano
> of the Italian league for his father Joe to run. When Bryant was asked
> whether he held intrigue with owning and playing on a team together,
> he said, “Absolutely.”
>
> Some basketball executives believe Bryant’s ultimate ambition might be
> to have a majority ownership with a powerhouse Italian team while
> serving as its superstar. What’s more, Bryant, 29, insists that it
> wouldn’t be such a leap of faith for him to leave the NBA.
if kobe or any other american nba superstar left the nba for another
country they would be hated by american fans so much, it would destroy
there career. why even play in the olympics if you are willing to turn
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:52 pm
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spr272000 DeleteThis @netzero.net wrote:
> On Aug 9, 6:49 am, agaxxan <agax... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> I for one will not be in the least bit sad to see the guy go.
>>
>> Kobe Won't Sign an Extension with LA Yet
>>
>> Posted: 8/9/2008 7:22:00 AM
>> Source: Yahoo!
>>
>> Kobe Bryant won’t sign a contract extension with the Los Angeles
>> Lakers until he has tested the global market, the U.S. Olympic
>> basketball star told Yahoo! Sports on Saturday.
>>
>> Asked whether he plans to solicit overseas offers before signing an
>> extension, Bryant flatly said yes.
>>
>> It’s possible Bryant could leave the NBA for Europe – perhaps in a
>> dual role of owner and player – as early as next summer. Bryant is
>> signed with the Lakers through the 2010-11 season, but can opt out
>> after next season.
>>
>> Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
>> changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
>> an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
>> Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
>>
>> “As players, the business of the game (is) evolving,” Bryant said
>> before a Team USA practice at Beijing Normal University. “I think free
>> agency now is becoming a global thing …. When players become free
>> agents, the team they’re currently with – their competition is no
>> longer the rest of the teams in the NBA. But it’s global. So, the
>> market’s opened up. So we’ll just have to see how the league responds
>> to it.”
>>
>> Bryant spent several years of his childhood in Italy and loves it
>> there. Seven years ago, he bought an ownership stake in Olimpia Milano
>> of the Italian league for his father Joe to run. When Bryant was asked
>> whether he held intrigue with owning and playing on a team together,
>> he said, “Absolutely.”
>>
>> Some basketball executives believe Bryant’s ultimate ambition might be
>> to have a majority ownership with a powerhouse Italian team while
>> serving as its superstar. What’s more, Bryant, 29, insists that it
>> wouldn’t be such a leap of faith for him to leave the NBA.
>
> if kobe or any other american nba superstar left the nba for another
> country they would be hated by american fans so much, it would destroy
> there career. why even play in the olympics if you are willing to turn
> your back on your own country ?
Just about every American corporation has turned it's back on it's own
country by your standards. Why single out an American basketball player
in this case? In fact, lots of American athletes have played
professionally in other countries, so Kobe would hardly be the first,
although he would be younger than most.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:24 pm
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<spr272000.DeleteThis@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> if kobe or any other american nba superstar left the nba for another
> country they would be hated by american fans so much, it would destroy
> there career.
Other than the fact that he would be HUGELY popular in whatever country he
played for, as well as FABULOUSLY wealthy, why yes, it would ruin his NBA
career.
:-)
Sucks that loyalty no longer enters the equation, but that's not a new thing
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:24 pm
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BaSSiStiSt wrote:
> <spr272000 DeleteThis @netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:16773a2f-cfd2-4e71-b87f-4364baa365a8@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
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>> if kobe or any other american nba superstar left the nba for another
>> country they would be hated by american fans so much, it would
>> destroy there career.
>
> Other than the fact that he would be HUGELY popular in whatever
> country he played for, as well as FABULOUSLY wealthy, why yes, it
> would ruin his NBA career.
>
> :-)
The NBA having some competition will be a good thing in the long run for
everyone but the owners pocket books.
>
> Sucks that loyalty no longer enters the equation, but that's not a
> new thing either.
Loyalty is in the contract...and it says if they trade you that in 48 hours
you will be loyal to the next team...
If someone offered you 4 times the net pay to work in Italy you might have
to wonder how loyal you are to an employer. One that you have already helped
make him hundreds of millions in profits you do not owe more.
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"Every time 'Sheed took a shot he said
`Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
I get paid for doing this to you',"
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:57 pm
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"agaxxan" <agaxxan RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
************************************************************************************************************
My belief that Kobe would be a Laker for life has always been predicated
upon the fact that first and foremost, no other NBA team could offer him as
much money as the Lakers. I didn't factor in an offer from outside the
league.
If Kobe gets an offer of $50 mil per year and ownership of some Euro team, I
wouldn't blame him for leaving, although I'de be mighty disappointed.
Greg >> Stay informed about: Good Riddance |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:10 am
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greg brown wrote:
> "agaxxan" <agaxxan.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9df3a3a2-f6cc-40aa-8ae8-3047d18e28c8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
> changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
> an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
> Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
>
> ************************************************************************************************************
> My belief that Kobe would be a Laker for life has always been
> predicated upon the fact that first and foremost, no other NBA team
> could offer him as much money as the Lakers. I didn't factor in an
> offer from outside the league.
>
> If Kobe gets an offer of $50 mil per year and ownership of some Euro
> team, I wouldn't blame him for leaving, although I'de be mighty
> disappointed.
It is bigger than the surface too. Delfino is making more in Russia than
his countryman Ginobli will net in the NBA.
Delfino I have seen
as high as 20 million for 3 years, in Europe that is net after taxes, so
6.67 per. If it is
the high end of that he would likely net more than Manu.
Manu makes 9.9 mil next year.
If 100% of his income is taxable (which it is not of course)...he would net
about 6.44 after federal taxes.
The players and coaches pay states taxes for away games for whatever state
they are playing in. (this is fairly unique to sports)
Each game is 1/90 of the total pay as preseason counts the same.
Texas like Florida has no state income tax, so over half his money is at
least free of that part of taxes.
Plus in Euroleague they get living expenses or houses, cars, stuff whatever,
all against the rules in the NBA. Throw in the exchange rate...
So if Kobe or LeBron get a 50 mil contract it would be maybe 3 times as much
as the NBA.
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`Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
I get paid for doing this to you',"
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:39 am
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On Aug 10, 12:10 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> greg brown wrote:
> > "agaxxan" <agax....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:9df3a3a2-f6cc-40aa-8ae8-3047d18e28c8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com....
>
> > Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
> > changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
> > an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
> > Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
>
> > ************************************************************************************************************
> > My belief that Kobe would be a Laker for life has always been
> > predicated upon the fact that first and foremost, no other NBA team
> > could offer him as much money as the Lakers. I didn't factor in an
> > offer from outside the league.
>
> > If Kobe gets an offer of $50 mil per year and ownership of some Euro
> > team, I wouldn't blame him for leaving, although I'de be mighty
> > disappointed.
>
> It is bigger than the surface too. Delfino is making more in Russia than
> his countryman Ginobli will net in the NBA.
>
> Delfino I have seen
> as high as 20 million for 3 years, in Europe that is net after taxes, so
> 6.67 per. If it is
> the high end of that he would likely net more than Manu.
> Manu makes 9.9 mil next year.
> If 100% of his income is taxable (which it is not of course)...he would net
> about 6.44 after federal taxes.
> The players and coaches pay states taxes for away games for whatever state
> they are playing in. (this is fairly unique to sports)
> Each game is 1/90 of the total pay as preseason counts the same.
> Texas like Florida has no state income tax, so over half his money is at
> least free of that part of taxes.
>
> Plus in Euroleague they get living expenses or houses, cars, stuff whatever,
> all against the rules in the NBA. Throw in the exchange rate...
>
> So if Kobe or LeBron get a 50 mil contract it would be maybe 3 times as much
> as the NBA.
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "Every time 'Sheed took a shot he said
> `Don't worry young fella, I get paid for this.
> I get paid for doing this to you',"
> - Kwame Brown- Hide quoted text -
This could be even bigger than the prospect of Kobe leaving the Lakers
in a few years. This could be the beginning of the end of the NBA as
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:46 am
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Ken Cheng wrote:
> On Aug 10, 12:10 am, "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAM... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> greg brown wrote:
>>> "agaxxan" <agax... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9df3a3a2-f6cc-40aa-8ae8-3047d18e28c8@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Suddenly, the best player in the world seems determined to pair the
>>> changing global economics with his unparalleled popularity to create
>>> an international bidding war. A day earlier, Bryant told the Boston
>>> Globe that he would consider a $50 million offer to play in Europe.
>>
>>> ************************************************************************************************************
>>> My belief that Kobe would be a Laker for life has always been
>>> predicated upon the fact that first and foremost, no other NBA team
>>> could offer him as much money as the Lakers. I didn't factor in an
>>> offer from outside the league.
>>
>>> If Kobe gets an offer of $50 mil per year and ownership of some Euro
>>> team, I wouldn't blame him for leaving, although I'de be mighty
>>> disappointed.
>>
>> It is bigger than the surface too. Delfino is making more in Russia
>> than his countryman Ginobli will net in the NBA.
>>
>> Delfino I have seen
>> as high as 20 million for 3 years, in Europe that is net after
>> taxes, so
>> 6.67 per. If it is
>> the high end of that he would likely net more than Manu.
>> Manu makes 9.9 mil next year.
>> If 100% of his income is taxable (which it is not of course)...he
>> would net about 6.44 after federal taxes.
>> The players and coaches pay states taxes for away games for whatever
>> state they are playing in. (this is fairly unique to sports)
>> Each game is 1/90 of the total pay as preseason counts the same.
>> Texas like Florida has no state income tax, so over half his money
>> is at least free of that part of taxes.
>>
>> Plus in Euroleague they get living expenses or houses, cars, stuff
>> whatever, all against the rules in the NBA. Throw in the exchange
>> rate...
>>
>> So if Kobe or LeBron get a 50 mil contract it would be maybe 3 times
>> as much as the NBA.
>>
>
> This could be even bigger than the prospect of Kobe leaving the Lakers
> in a few years. This could be the beginning of the end of the NBA as
> we know it.
Nah. They will change a few rules and give the players more to stay. There
are not many big arenas or rich teams. For the couple handing out big
contracts there are several that have 5 mil or less entire payrolls.
Meantime it is a great barganing chip for players that will be restricted
free agents to negociate extensions.
Also the NBA plans in a few years to put a 5 team division in Europe and the
NBA will be in direct competition with euroleague.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:44 am
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On Aug 10, 8:44 am, "zcare...@yahoo.com" <zcare....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Any NBA player would be a fool not to look at all their
> options...including any NBA star. Also, basketball is a truly global
> sport now.
have you ever traveled to europe ? the travel time is extreme it would
not work for the nba unless they played twice a week. there is no way
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:57 am
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spr272000.RemoveThis@netzero.net wrote:
> On Aug 10, 8:44 am, "zcare...@yahoo.com" <zcare....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Any NBA player would be a fool not to look at all their
>> options...including any NBA star. Also, basketball is a truly global
>> sport now.
> have you ever traveled to europe ? the travel time is extreme it would
> not work for the nba unless they played twice a week. there is no way
> a team could recover from such long flights and be ready to play.
The NBA disagrees, they are seriously looking at a five team expansion to
Europe in the next decade.
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the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest
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LeBron James more or less echoed Kobe's response when the same
question was subsequently put to him.
Even if they don't believe it in their hearts, players such as Kobe
and LeBron and other NBA superstars are almost obliged to respond that
they will keep their options open for overseas play. Without it,
they'll have much less leverage to negotiate terms of new contracts
with their current teams. It would be foolish (though noble) to do
otherwise.
If such an option were available to the NBA stars of yesteryear
(Magic, Bird, Jordan, etc.), they would likely have had to respond the
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Ken Cheng <kencheng.RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:c27e3d9f-8624-4f0b-851a-
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> If such an option were available to the NBA stars of yesteryear
> (Magic, Bird, Jordan, etc.), they would likely have had to respond the
> same way.
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Now not only Kobe and LeBron have spoken about being open to the
possibility of playing overseas, but Dwayne Wade has as well.
So if you're trying to hang this on Kobe as a particular failing of
his, you need to find another tree to bark up.
This could be a big problem for the NBA to deal with in the years to
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