Hey Blazers Fans What Do You Think About These Trade Rumors

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> > > > This was actually an earlier rumor - Wallace and Wells for Jamison
and
> > > > Finley. But Wells is already gone and Jamison's contract is too big.
> > > > Dallas would also have to throw in at least one other player.
> > >
> > > Yes but it was reported in one of our local papers yesterday, can't
> > > remember if it was the ny post, ny times, or ny daily news,
> >
> > The latest rumor is apparently Wallace for Jamison and Najera. I still
> > don't think Portland will go for it, but it would be interesting to see
> > how the fans in Dallas would react to a trade like that.
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> They would likely hate it.
> I have my doubts portland would want to tie up from 15 to 20 mil in those
> two players for the next 5 seasons. But talent wise it is not a bad deal.

it's not a bad deal talent wise, but i don't think it really helps portland.
I imagine the tweener would start at SF and I don't know that he'd get any
better stats than wallace. Defensively, he's not as good as wallace.

I like Najera, but he hasn't been in the lineup for awhile. About a week
ago he was placed on the Injured List with a knee injury. He has long arms
like Zach and is a body to put on opposing centers, but to me he's more of a
PF than a center. He's only 6-8.

From a chemistry standpoint, I don't think this trade would help our team
one bit and I agree that fans wouldn't like it. Seems to me this trade
would simply be an attempt to get something for Rasheed as opposed to losing
him via free agency and it's basically a couple pieces of the puzzle as
opposed to a solution to our problems. We'd be taking a step back.
Defensively Najera's an asset and the combined talent of the 2 could equal
wallace, but it doesn't make much sense other than contract wise.
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> it's not a bad deal talent wise, but i don't think it really helps
portland.

If they are going to lose wallace, Jamison is about the best they can expect
over 'nothing'.

> I imagine the tweener would start at SF

Gee really. Nah I am sure they would bench Zach... =)

No worse than having 'Sheed play out of position.


> PF than a center. He's only 6-8.

Likely he would back up Zach. He is the type of hussel guy eavery team can
use. Especially for Portland if they want to move Patterson.

> From a chemistry standpoint, I don't think this trade would help our team
> one bit and I agree that fans wouldn't like it.

I was saying the Mav fans would not like it. They do not see the need for
'Sheed. There are a lot of Portland fans now driving the dump Wallace
campaign, not just the media.

Seems to me this trade
> would simply be an attempt to get something for Rasheed as opposed to
losing
> him via free agency and it's basically a couple pieces of the puzzle as
> opposed to a solution to our problems. We'd be taking a step back.

If they have to move him, or if he is going to walk, I like this trade.
Gives Woods time to develop and Jamison fits the image they want.

> Defensively Najera's an asset and the combined talent of the 2 could equal
> wallace, but it doesn't make much sense other than contract wise.

Portland right now may need to make changes for change sake.
Normally it would be fire the coach but, right or wrong, it is not all about
winning right now.


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What is the consistency rating/ranking for Jamison this year and last at
GSW?


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> it's not a bad deal talent wise, but i don't think it really helps portland.
> I imagine the tweener would start at SF and I don't know that he'd get any
> better stats than wallace. Defensively, he's not as good as wallace.

He wouldn't take as many 3-point shots as Wallace, so he would probably
shoot a better percentage and go to the foul line more. Right now he's
averaging about a point less per game in 8 less minutes. Rebounds are
almost the same.

> I like Najera, but he hasn't been in the lineup for awhile. About a week
> ago he was placed on the Injured List with a knee injury. He has long arms
> like Zach and is a body to put on opposing centers, but to me he's more of a
> PF than a center. He's only 6-8.

He's only a center on a team like Dallas. Same with Fortson. Davis and
Stepania would still play center, but Najera would give more size at the
backup PF spot than Patterson.
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> I was saying the Mav fans would not like it. They do not see the need for
> 'Sheed. There are a lot of Portland fans now driving the dump Wallace
> campaign, not just the media.

of all the other names that have been tossed out there and the guys
available, this is a trade I just assume pass on. the combo of najera and
jamison won't get us in the playoffs. It's merely an attempt to get rid of
wallace before it's too late. I say push harder for a guy like iggy. make
that trade happen. His upside is tremendous. His size is great for
portland. An addition like that gives portland more chemistry than we have
now and we could be a playoff team. Guys like Woods and DA would pickup the
scoring and I'm certain they would love the increased role.


> Seems to me this trade
> > would simply be an attempt to get something for Rasheed as opposed to
> losing
> > him via free agency and it's basically a couple pieces of the puzzle as
> > opposed to a solution to our problems. We'd be taking a step back.
>
> If they have to move him, or if he is going to walk, I like this trade.
> Gives Woods time to develop and Jamison fits the image they want.

how do you figure woods develops more when Jamison starts and gets 30+ mpg
for Portland? Woods would only get minimal minutes behind him and maybe DA.
If we're parting with Sheed, I like the idea of addressing center and then
let woods start... that's the best way to develop woods.

> > Defensively Najera's an asset and the combined talent of the 2 could
equal
> > wallace, but it doesn't make much sense other than contract wise.
>
> Portland right now may need to make changes for change sake.


yea, but we don't have to make this change.


> Normally it would be fire the coach but, right or wrong, it is not all
about
> winning right now.

I disagree. So many of you agree that keeping our consecutive playoff
streak intact is important. As is, it may not happen. It's not about
winning right now, but it's about making the playoffs and an addition like
iggy not only helps now, but in the future. Even if we get jamison and
najera, we still need help at the center spot at some point in time.
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> > I was saying the Mav fans would not like it. They do not see the need
for
> > 'Sheed. There are a lot of Portland fans now driving the dump Wallace
> > campaign, not just the media.
>
> of all the other names that have been tossed out there and the guys
> available, this is a trade I just assume pass on. the combo of najera and
> jamison won't get us in the playoffs.

I assume nash hold out for another piece than najera.

> It's merely an attempt to get rid of
> wallace before it's too late.

How much talent will they have if he walks? They will not be under the cap
to sign a FA.

<> I say push harder for a guy like iggy. make
> that trade happen. His upside is tremendous. His size is great for
> portland.

If he stays healthy. 28 million is a lot to tie up in him if his feet give
out again. His contract has been killing the cavs for years. Trouble is he
has 2 years on his contract and I think they want to drop under the cap next
year. Plus cavs want to dump another bad contract to go with his to talk
trade.


> > If they have to move him, or if he is going to walk, I like this trade.
> > Gives Woods time to develop and Jamison fits the image they want.
>
> how do you figure woods develops more when Jamison starts and gets 30+ mpg
> for Portland?

He will not have the pressure. He is raw and needs more work before he
starts IMO.


> > Normally it would be fire the coach but, right or wrong, it is not all
> about
> > winning right now.
>
> I disagree. So many of you agree that keeping our consecutive playoff
> streak intact is important.

Not what I meant.

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> >What is the consistency rating/ranking for Jamison this year and last at
> >GSW?
>
>
> One thing I've learned is that players are wildly inconsistent, much more
than
> we normally realise.

But you have found some are even more 'wildly'....like Bonzi....It does not
take much consistency on the blazers to be an improvement...

>Here's a comparison of Jamison's shooting, game by game.

Thanks Ed.


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> > You know the cap and salaries better than I, so why don't you do a
little
> > homework and come up with some offers you'd like to see that would work.
> >
>
> Does not matter what I would like under the cap rules, has to be something
> the other team wants as well as Nash. Hard to find anything with talent,
> short contracts, and choir boys....
>

From the blog:
ESPN Insider Chad Ford says the Blazers would love to pry Theo Ratliff from
the Hawks (subscription req'd) if Atlanta was willing to throw in Jason
Terry:
There's talk the Blazers want Ratliff and would be willing to swap Rasheed
Wallace for him if the Hawks also included Terry. Terry is a base-year
player, which makes that trade more difficult, but it is doable with the
right add-ons. It might be simpler for Portland to offer a combo of Wesley
Person's expiring contract, Jeff McInnis and a prospect like Travis Outlaw
straight up for Ratliff.
Ford also weighs in on the 'Sheed-to-Dallas rumors, and offers this opinion:
Considering the Mavs' chemistry problems this season, why add another,
even more volatile element into the mix. Wallace isn't the tough, blue
collar defender and rebounder the Mavs need. Why take the risk?

So if the Knicks aren't getting Sheed and the Mavs aren't going to pull
the trigger, who is?

Ummmm ... that's a tough one. Unless Blazers GM John Nash has altered his
criteria for trading 'Sheed (young all-star or expiring contracts and
prospects), it's tough to see how he's going to pull off a deal. The Hawks,
as we noted above, may be the best bet, but given how much the team is in
flux, don't bet on it.
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> > > > First of all, where did you dig up that report? I haven't heard
it.
> > > I

>
> this isn't news to me.


Then why did ask where I dug up that he had 5 surgeries on his broken feet?

> the question is will he stay healthy now and
> "playing just 29 guys since 1998" is old and misleading.

It is misleading that he has bad feet that kept him out for what amounted to
half of his career?

> you worry about him staying healthy and appear to believe it's
> inevitable he'll get hurt again. I think it's a risk worth taking.

Not at 28 million real dollars...

I ask yet agian, just why do you think the Cavs want him gone?


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> > I ask yet agian, just why do you think the Cavs want him gone?
>
> I thought that was a rhetorical question.
>
> yea, his salary is high. let them keep part of it... we seem to do that
> with all the high priced players we trade away.

Excuse me? You think they are going to waive him or buy him out so Portlannd
can sign him as a FA?

>
> I think the biggest reason he's being shopped is he's unhappy.

He has said he is happy to be playing at all. And it is not up to him. Are
the Cavs unhappy?

I also think
> there may be some friction between him and Silas. I read an article at
> hoopshype that talked about him being unhappy a couple days ago.

got a link?

> but there's a multitude of reasons. you think the primary one is his
> health. a combo of that and salary are definitely reasons,

71 million reasons, much of which they paid so far to watch him sit in
street clothes.

>but I don't
> think it's the cavs unhappy with him, I think it's the other way around.

Not his choice.

>
> I don't think they view him as a liability if that's what you mean.

Then why would he be available if they did not think they were getting the
very best of a trade?

> I get
> the feeling you see him as more of a liability than an asset.

I see him as a huge risk they would be giving up good player for. Blazers
have been there, done that....


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> since then, rumors flew. anything conceivable under the cap involving
> wallace and dallas has been slung.

The jamison/finley for "sheed/Bonzi was reported as a done deal, it has been
run up the flagpole about once a week since that 'Sheed is rumored to the
mavs.

I see him as a FA this summer....



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> > do you want jamison?
>
> I perfer 'Sheed.

I'd take Shareef over Jamison if the Blazers have that choice. Similar
to better all-around talent and shorter contract.
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> There's talk the Blazers want Ratliff and would be willing to swap Rasheed
> Wallace for him if the Hawks also included Terry. Terry is a base-year
> player, which makes that trade more difficult, but it is doable with the
> right add-ons. It might be simpler for Portland to offer a combo of Wesley
> Person's expiring contract, Jeff McInnis and a prospect like Travis Outlaw
> straight up for Ratliff.

That would leave the Blazers a little thin in the backcourt, basically
just Damon and DA.

> Ford also weighs in on the 'Sheed-to-Dallas rumors, and offers this opinion:
> Considering the Mavs' chemistry problems this season, why add another,
> even more volatile element into the mix. Wallace isn't the tough, blue
> collar defender and rebounder the Mavs need. Why take the risk?

He's right about Wallace not being that great of a rebounder, but I don't
see where they would be taking that much of a risk considering his
expiring contract. He might actually fit in pretty well there, since
they already have other players to be the go-to guys.
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