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Since: Oct 31, 2003 Posts: 140
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:51 am
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> > > I ask yet agian, just why do you think the Cavs want him gone?
> >
> > I thought that was a rhetorical question.
> >
> > yea, his salary is high. let them keep part of it... we seem to do that
> > with all the high priced players we trade away.
>
> Excuse me? You think they are going to waive him or buy him out so
Portlannd
> can sign him as a FA?
isn't it true when kenny anderson left that we picked up part of his tab?
hasn't that happened with other players we've parted with as well?
I'm merely saying, why can't the cavs keep part of iggy's salary?
> > I think the biggest reason he's being shopped is he's unhappy.
>
> He has said he is happy to be playing at all. And it is not up to him. Are
> the Cavs unhappy?
>
> I also think
> > there may be some friction between him and Silas. I read an article at
> > hoopshype that talked about him being unhappy a couple days ago.
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> got a link?
hoopshype, that rumor site. i went there and all they have is the latest
rumors. i'd have to dig around, don't wanna right now.
>
> > but there's a multitude of reasons. you think the primary one is his
> > health. a combo of that and salary are definitely reasons,
>
> 71 million reasons, much of which they paid so far to watch him sit in
> street clothes.
>
> >but I don't
> > think it's the cavs unhappy with him, I think it's the other way around.
>
> Not his choice.
>
> >
> > I don't think they view him as a liability if that's what you mean.
>
> Then why would he be available if they did not think they were getting the
> very best of a trade?
why indeed? why is sheed available for them?
> > I get
> > the feeling you see him as more of a liability than an asset.
>
> I see him as a huge risk they would be giving up good player for. Blazers
> have been there, done that....
duly noted. over and over and over again. even if it's not iggy, I like
the idea of recruiting big men in the middle. If iggy stays healthy and
don't miss any games for the next 3 years, and we don't get him now, we
probably won't ever get him. sometimes you have to be willing to go out on
a limb if there's an upside, reward, potential payoff. Just like McDyess.
He has to prove he's healthy, but if I'm not mistaken, he's only about 30
and if he gets back into form and plays like people know he can, he could
help the suns win a championship. risk vs reward. If you wanna be a playa,
ya gotta be willing to take some risks.
if we don't wanna take risks, then lets just sluff off rasheed to the
highest bidder... we'll take najera and jamison, not improve our team, sit
around and watch Portland's playoff streak come to an end, then bounce back
next year. sounds like a great plan.
hell, if it were me, I'd fire paul allen, nash, bring back whitsitt, get rid
of maurice's ass, trade damon and Davis for someone like Van Horn. trade
Zach for a young big man with potential, then start that big man along with
Rasheed at PF, Van Horn SF, DA, and McInnis or whoever at the the point and
Woods would be 6th man of the year. I'd pull Ramsay out of retirement to
coach the damn team. Fuck, who cares. Riggs is back in football. He's
like 102 years old. Vermeil can barely walk. he's back in coaching.
Ramsay is experience, wisdom, and more than anything, he gets respect.
there ya have it. We'd be coached great, we'd have chemistry and a nice
blend of youth and vets. I think a young, hungry team like that (and
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:32 am
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> I am not comparing them. I am noting that often great stats on a bad team
> does not equate a star on a good team. So when comparing players like
> Jamison/Sheed/SAR it is not ideal.
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> How from that idea you decided I did not like Jamison I have not a clue...
You sure pick your words carefully. I guess I had it in my head you didn't
like Jamison b/c you talked about how you felt he only put up good numbers
at GS b/c they had a poor team. Many of you questioned him at Dallas, said
he's coming in off the bench b/c he's not worthy of a starting job on a good
team. I thought you were part of the group tearing down Jamison, so I had
it in my head, you didn't like him. Maybe you just choose your words
carefully here on usenet so you can comeback later and say, "I never said
that", but when I speak of whether or not you like Jamison, I'm not talking
about whether or not you care to slip between satin sheets with the guy.
maybe my assumption was wrong, or maybe you were refuting me just cuz you
can, but I thought we went round and round bout that whole jamison/finley
thing. I thought you made it pretty clear you didn't like the trade.... or
jamison. so maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you're just singing a new tune b/c
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:36 am
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> > since then, rumors flew. anything conceivable under the cap involving
> > wallace and dallas has been slung.
>
> The jamison/finley for "sheed/Bonzi was reported as a done deal, it has
been
> run up the flagpole about once a week since that 'Sheed is rumored to the
> mavs.
>
> I see him as a FA this summer....
would that be the plan if we want to open up some cap space?
would the nba grant any compensation for the loss? I've heard of that
happening before, maybe it's football where they get a conditional pick. I
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:59 am
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> isn't it true when kenny anderson left that we picked up part of his tab?
If so that was the last CBA not this one.
> hasn't that happened with other players we've parted with as well?
Drexler's baloon payment, that was 2 CBAs ago.
Cash is now limited to 3 mil and is not counted as part of the trade.
>
> I'm merely saying, why can't the cavs keep part of iggy's salary?
So now they want him gone so bad they will pay a team to take him?
>
>
> > > I think the biggest reason he's being shopped is he's unhappy.
> >
> > He has said he is happy to be playing at all. And it is not up to him.
Are
> > the Cavs unhappy?
> >
> > I also think
> > > there may be some friction between him and Silas. I read an article
at
> > > hoopshype that talked about him being unhappy a couple days ago.
> >
> > got a link?
>
>
> hoopshype, that rumor site. i went there and all they have is the latest
> rumors. i'd have to dig around, don't wanna right now.
rumors are rumors, website writers are not a great source. I buy articles
with real quotes more.
> > Then why would he be available if they did not think they were getting
the
> > very best of a trade?
>
>
> why indeed? why is sheed available for them?
I prefer 'Sheed's baggage to broken feet....and Z has had offcourt problems.
What is the portland press going to say about getting a player with multible
DUI convictions?
> > I see him as a huge risk they would be giving up good player for.
Blazers
> > have been there, done that....
>
>
> duly noted. over and over and over again. even if it's not iggy, I like
> the idea of recruiting big men in the middle. If iggy stays healthy and
> don't miss any games for the next 3 years, and we don't get him now, we
> probably won't ever get him. sometimes you have to be willing to go out
on
> a limb if there's an upside, reward, potential payoff. Just like McDyess.
> He has to prove he's healthy, but if I'm not mistaken, he's only about 30
Yes, he is just a couple of months older than 'Sheed.
> and if he gets back into form and plays like people know he can, he could
> help the suns win a championship.
I doubt he stays there.
> risk vs reward.
Big difference there, Dyess is on an ending contract. he will have to sign
cheap somewhere next summer. He will not tie up a huge chunk of salary and
cap space if he breaks again.
> hell, if it were me, I'd fire paul allen, nash, bring back whitsitt, get
rid
> of maurice's ass, trade damon and Davis for someone like Van Horn.
No one is taking their contracts for at least a year.
If I was paul Allen I would buy the Oregonian and fire the sportswritting
staff...
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Michael Jordan. Of course,
he would be only 12 years old."
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:11 pm
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> > > do you want jamison?
> >
> > I perfer 'Sheed.
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> I'd take Shareef over Jamison if the Blazers have that choice. Similar
> to better all-around talent and shorter contract.
I do think Jamison might have more potential top turn into a leader than
SAR, but otherwise I agree.
More likely trading partner too.
This is the type of thing that is most likely it seems to me: Ratliff and
Abdur-Rahim for Patterson, Outlaw and Wallace. That one works cap wise.
It is rumored that Portland wants Terry instead of SAR so I assume they
would be offering McInnis instead, but Terry is base year compensation and
it would likely take a third team involved under the cap to make that work.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:48 pm
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> > I am not comparing them. I am noting that often great stats on a bad
team
> > does not equate a star on a good team. So when comparing players like
> > Jamison/Sheed/SAR it is not ideal.
> >
> > How from that idea you decided I did not like Jamison I have not a
clue...
>
> You sure pick your words carefully.
Might try thinking about what I am saying instead of jumping to conclusions
from half a sentence...=)
> I guess I had it in my head you didn't
> like Jamison b/c you talked about how you felt he only put up good numbers
> at GS b/c they had a poor team.
I did not talk about how he 'only' put up good numbers because he was on a
bad team. Those were the only stats we had to work with. I challenged
throwing them out proved he is better than Wallace.
> Many of you questioned him at Dallas, said
> he's coming in off the bench b/c he's not worthy of a starting job on a
good
> team.
Yes he is doing well there in a much reduced role.
> I thought you were part of the group tearing down Jamison, so I had
> it in my head, you didn't like him.
If I did not like him I would not have had to argue who had the edge him or
'Sheed...
> Maybe you just choose your words
> carefully here on usenet so you can comeback later and say, "I never said
> that", but when I speak of whether or not you like Jamison, I'm not
talking
> about whether or not you care to slip between satin sheets with the guy.
lol...
> maybe my assumption was wrong,
imagine that....
>or maybe you were refuting me just cuz you
> can, but I thought we went round and round bout that whole jamison/finley
> thing. I thought you made it pretty clear you didn't like the trade....
or
> jamison.
When Dmitri said he would not make that trade, I asked him if he would if
Wallace was going to walk.
I liked 'Sheed over Jamison but Finley over Bonzi. Which you ignored and
called me a homer for not appreciating jamison. When the trade was known to
be dead we compared the 2 players. I seem to remember the word 'defense'
coming up....And you explaining how dropping from 9 rebounds to 7 over the
last 2 years was improving as a player....=)
> so maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you're just singing a new tune b/c
> you've seen Jamison do well in dallas.
He still is not starting on a good team, and has to prove himself in the
playoffs, and the trade has not translated into wins any more than his good
stats on the warriors did so far. Their record is a lot worse this season
with him and walker......
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:50 pm
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> > The jamison/finley for "sheed/Bonzi was reported as a done deal, it has
> been
> > run up the flagpole about once a week since that 'Sheed is rumored to
the
> > mavs.
> >
> > I see him as a FA this summer....
>
> would that be the plan if we want to open up some cap space?
Most likely way to get cap space would be to let 'sheed walk plus wait
another year for more ending contracts. Even if they let him walk, they will
not be under the cap this summer.
Another way, as was pointed out earlier by someone else... Bribe Charlotte
to take Damon in the expansion draft with cash and a first round pick plus
waive their FA rights on 'Sheed and the mid-level.
That would clear about 1 max contract for a FA.
>
> would the nba grant any compensation for the loss?
What loss?
> I've heard of that
> happening before, maybe it's football where they get a conditional pick.
I
> dunno.
Are you back to Z here?
If a player retires for injuries they can get cap relief, but not until
after two years after the injury. The is why Brandon was valuable for a
trade, he comes off the hawks cap to dump salary before the end of the
season. That will drop them under the tax line.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:33 pm
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> > There's talk the Blazers want Ratliff and would be willing to swap
Rasheed
> > Wallace for him if the Hawks also included Terry. Terry is a base-year
> > player, which makes that trade more difficult, but it is doable with the
> > right add-ons. It might be simpler for Portland to offer a combo of
Wesley
> > Person's expiring contract, Jeff McInnis and a prospect like Travis
Outlaw
> > straight up for Ratliff.
>
> That would leave the Blazers a little thin in the backcourt, basically
> just Damon and DA.
Well they have been getting by (poorly) with just Damon and McInnis...=)
They could bring back 'whats-his-name' the guard they just cut.....
>
> > Ford also weighs in on the 'Sheed-to-Dallas rumors, and offers this
opinion:
> > Considering the Mavs' chemistry problems this season, why add another,
> > even more volatile element into the mix. Wallace isn't the tough, blue
> > collar defender and rebounder the Mavs need. Why take the risk?
>
> He's right about Wallace not being that great of a rebounder, but I don't
> see where they would be taking that much of a risk considering his
> expiring contract. He might actually fit in pretty well there, since
> they already have other players to be the go-to guys.
Give them a post player that guards the other PFs fairly well.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:37 pm
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> > > since then, rumors flew. anything conceivable under the cap involving
> > > wallace and dallas has been slung.
> >
> > The jamison/finley for "sheed/Bonzi was reported as a done deal, it has been
> > run up the flagpole about once a week since that 'Sheed is rumored to the
> > mavs.
> >
> > I see him as a FA this summer....
>
> would that be the plan if we want to open up some cap space?
Not really. They're at about $82 million this year. Unloading Wallace (17),
Kemp (15), Person (7), and Sabonis (3) brings that down to $40 million,
but then you add on 2 first-round picks and built-in raises for players
on long-term deals (Stoudamire, Davis, Anderson, Patterson) and they're
right around the cap.
> would the nba grant any compensation for the loss? I've heard of that
> happening before, maybe it's football where they get a conditional pick.
> I dunno.
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> I see him as a FA this summer....
Scott Lynn on KEX said this morning that his sources tell him that the
deal with Dallas is all but done, and that's the **real** reason
Wallace has sat out three straight games, lest he get injured and ruin
the deal. Lynn mentioned Antawn Jamison ....
But the Mavs later today denied a deal involving Antawn Jamison. But
their denial didn't include a denial of an overall deal in the making.
So what does that mean? It means obviously that there's a deal
cooking, but the deal doesn't involve Antawn Jamison.
Doesn't look like FA for Rasheed this summer, and mebee what's taking
so long to get the deal done is getting Rasheed sewn up with a new
contract, etc.
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> > I see him as a FA this summer....
>
> Scott Lynn on KEX said this morning that his sources tell him that the
> deal with Dallas is all but done, and that's the **real** reason
> Wallace has sat out three straight games, lest he get injured and ruin
> the deal.
I think that is bogus. Mike Rice said after the Minny game 'Sheed could
hardly walk and was getting treatment in the lockerroom. I was wondering
last night, since he was laying on the floor flat a lot, if his back is
bothering him again too.
> Lynn mentioned Antawn Jamison ....
>
> But the Mavs later today denied a deal involving Antawn Jamison. But
> their denial didn't include a denial of an overall deal in the making.
> So what does that mean? It means obviously that there's a deal
> cooking, but the deal doesn't involve Antawn Jamison.
Cuban today:
"If they make us an offer we can't refuse, then OK," . "But we're not
looking to trade anybody. We're not looking to make any deals."
Yesterday: "Donnie hasn't come to me at all,(about a trade)" Cuban said.
"There's no reason to change unless there's a great deal, something we
couldn't say no to. "This is just about us trying to turn the corner. We all
hoped things would click before now. It's not a talent issue. It's a
getting-our-act-together issue."
>
> Doesn't look like FA for Rasheed this summer, and mebee what's taking
> so long to get the deal done is getting Rasheed sewn up with a new
> contract, etc.
Perhaps they are working on an extension for a new team, seems to me though
that his ending contract is part of what makes him desirable for many teams.
I would think Dallas would be one that would wait until summer and not tie
themselves to several years.
>
> I say he's gone.
He may be gone, but he will still likely be a FA this summer. =)
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> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > isn't it true when kenny anderson left that we picked up part of his
tab?
>
> If so that was the last CBA not this one.
>
> > hasn't that happened with other players we've parted with as well?
>
> Drexler's baloon payment, that was 2 CBAs ago.
>
> Cash is now limited to 3 mil and is not counted as part of the trade.
>
> >
> > I'm merely saying, why can't the cavs keep part of iggy's salary?
>
> So now they want him gone so bad they will pay a team to take him?
>
> >
> >
> > > > I think the biggest reason he's being shopped is he's unhappy.
> > >
> > > He has said he is happy to be playing at all. And it is not up to him.
> Are
> > > the Cavs unhappy?
> > >
> > > I also think
> > > > there may be some friction between him and Silas. I read an article
> at
> > > > hoopshype that talked about him being unhappy a couple days ago.
> > >
> > > got a link?
> >
> >
> > hoopshype, that rumor site. i went there and all they have is the
latest
> > rumors. i'd have to dig around, don't wanna right now.
>
> rumors are rumors, website writers are not a great source. I buy articles
> with real quotes more.
this site actually seems to be pretty competent. They don't appear to just
write up "rumors". Much of what I've read at their site is reiterated on
espn, here, and the major websites. They basically report the news that's
being exchanged between teams and I haven't found any reason to believe any
of it's inaccurate. In other words, I don't think they're making it up just
to get quoted at ESPN or something. It seems to be legit news and it's
updated like a live wire.
> > > Then why would he be available if they did not think they were getting
> the
> > > very best of a trade?
> >
> >
> > why indeed? why is sheed available for them?
>
> I prefer 'Sheed's baggage to broken feet....and Z has had offcourt
problems.
> What is the portland press going to say about getting a player with
multible
> DUI convictions?
probably nothing. It's the same with everyone when they come here. They're
the best thing since swiss cheese. It's after things start going bad that
the media digs into their past and reports it to further tarnish 'em.
> > > I see him as a huge risk they would be giving up good player for.
> Blazers
> > > have been there, done that....
> >
> >
> > duly noted. over and over and over again. even if it's not iggy, I
like
> > the idea of recruiting big men in the middle. If iggy stays healthy
and
> > don't miss any games for the next 3 years, and we don't get him now, we
> > probably won't ever get him. sometimes you have to be willing to go out
> on
> > a limb if there's an upside, reward, potential payoff. Just like
McDyess.
> > He has to prove he's healthy, but if I'm not mistaken, he's only about
30
>
> Yes, he is just a couple of months older than 'Sheed.
>
> > and if he gets back into form and plays like people know he can, he
could
> > help the suns win a championship.
>
> I doubt he stays there.
>
> > risk vs reward.
>
> Big difference there, Dyess is on an ending contract. he will have to sign
> cheap somewhere next summer. He will not tie up a huge chunk of salary and
> cap space if he breaks again.
>
>
>
> > hell, if it were me, I'd fire paul allen, nash, bring back whitsitt, get
> rid
> > of maurice's ass, trade damon and Davis for someone like Van Horn.
>
> No one is taking their contracts for at least a year.
>
> If I was paul Allen I would buy the Oregonian and fire the sportswritting
> staff...
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:16 am
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"toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > rumors are rumors, website writers are not a great source. I buy
articles
> > with real quotes more.
>
>
> this site actually seems to be pretty competent. They don't appear to
just
> write up "rumors". Much of what I've read at their site is reiterated on
> espn, here, and the major websites.\
OK I looked....Duh, their 'rumors' is links to whatever news reports are out
there. RealGM does the same thing and emails it each morning.
> They basically report the news that's
> being exchanged between teams and I haven't found any reason to believe
any
> of it's inaccurate.
So how many rumored (anywhere) trades have happened? How many were not
repoted until done?
> In other words, I don't think they're making it up just
> to get quoted at ESPN or something. It seems to be legit news and it's
> updated like a live wire.
lol....it is links to espn et all articles ...
> > I prefer 'Sheed's baggage to broken feet....and Z has had offcourt
> problems.
> > What is the portland press going to say about getting a player with
> multible
> > DUI convictions?
>
>
> probably nothing. It's the same with everyone when they come here.
They're
> the best thing since swiss cheese. It's after things start going bad that
> the media digs into their past and reports it to further tarnish 'em.
>
They are looking just as hard to bash the management.
--
Laurel T
"The Isaiah Rider camp,has only one camper in it."
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> "toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > I am not comparing them. I am noting that often great stats on a bad
> team
> > > does not equate a star on a good team. So when comparing players like
> > > Jamison/Sheed/SAR it is not ideal.
> > >
> > > How from that idea you decided I did not like Jamison I have not a
> clue...
> >
> > You sure pick your words carefully.
>
> Might try thinking about what I am saying instead of jumping to
conclusions
> from half a sentence...=)
seems to me you do a good job of diluting my overall point by shredding my
paragraghs into individual sentences and commented on the validity of each.
> > Maybe you just choose your words
> > carefully here on usenet so you can comeback later and say, "I never
said
> > that", but when I speak of whether or not you like Jamison, I'm not
> talking
> > about whether or not you care to slip between satin sheets with the guy.
>
> lol...
>
> > maybe my assumption was wrong,
>
> imagine that....
I'm trying and can't.
> >or maybe you were refuting me just cuz you
> > can, but I thought we went round and round bout that whole
jamison/finley
> > thing. I thought you made it pretty clear you didn't like the trade....
> or
> > jamison.
>
> When Dmitri said he would not make that trade, I asked him if he would if
> Wallace was going to walk.
>
> I liked 'Sheed over Jamison but Finley over Bonzi. Which you ignored and
> called me a homer for not appreciating jamison. When the trade was known
to
> be dead we compared the 2 players. I seem to remember the word 'defense'
> coming up....And you explaining how dropping from 9 rebounds to 7 over the
> last 2 years was improving as a player....=)
>
> > so maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you're just singing a new tune b/c
> > you've seen Jamison do well in dallas.
>
> He still is not starting on a good team, and has to prove himself in the
> playoffs, and the trade has not translated into wins any more than his
good
> stats on the warriors did so far. Their record is a lot worse this season
> with him and walker......
well, even though it don't mean a lot, they have been without Bradley and
Najera for significant games and those are the guys they like to use at
Center, so dirk has been playing a lot of center and it's not his fortay.
His numbers appear to be down.
I don't think the Mavs are a great team. they're not that great
defensively. They are a pretender in my book, but they're less of a
pretender than the Blazers. Which is to say, if you take a player off a
worse team and put him in Dallas, I think he'll do worse statistically than
he would in Portland.
Which is also to say, Jamison could do better in portland than he is in
dallas (statistically speaking) and he may put up better numbers than Sheed
is now. I can't remember the last time Sheed has played to his ability ..
it certainly hasn't reflected in the boxscores on a consistent basis for a
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Might try thinking about what I am saying instead of jumping to
> conclusions
> > from half a sentence...=)
>
>
> seems to me you do a good job of diluting my overall point by shredding my
> paragraghs into individual sentences and commented on the validity of
each.
When you reach the overall point with incorrect data or false
assumptions...=)
> Which is also to say, Jamison could do better in portland than he is in
> dallas (statistically speaking) and he may put up better numbers than
Sheed
> is now. I can't remember the last time Sheed has played to his ability ..
Jan 2nd.
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by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
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