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(Msg. 76) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:52 am
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> > > He has no choice. You really think the wins are not important? The
whole
> > > team is being shopped, perhaps they should not play any of them.
> > > It is just too stupid....
> >
> >
> > stupid to you. If Sheed knows he's being traded, if he knows they just
> have
> > to dot the i's and cross the t's, he don't care whether or not we win.
to
> > collect his check, he'll act like he cares from the bench. no problem.
> >
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> If it was to prevent injuries to stop a trade why dud he practice?
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> > > Does not matter to prove the reason he was out. If he gets traded does
> not
> > > mean he did not sprain an ankle.
> >
> >
> > maybe, maybe not, but you don't know for sure.
>
> Exactly. If a trade happens you can not claim the rumor was true.
if a trade happens, it's all the more reason to believe the rumor holds some
validity.
> > myself. and it all makes sense. and knowing what a competitor wallace
> is,
> > I have to believe if the xrays were negative, that he's wrap the thing
> tight
> > and do his best to get in there as soon as possible.
>
> That part I buy. Except I think his back is bothering him too the way he
was
> arranging towels and laying flat on his back during the game at the clips.
> Before when he sat out a game he was on the bench.
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> > He's now missed 3 or 4
> > games. He coulda just gone on the Injured list if it were really that
> bad
> > and sat out 5.
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> If it was known they were not gong to play him again because of a trade
why
> did they not do so sooner and activate R B-B and or Outlaw?
> If it was unknown if he would be ready they would not have put him there
> were he would not be available.
>
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "He just kept saying 'Michael Jordan is going to
> kill me.'"Sgt. Kirk Hartwell, after arresting
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(Msg. 77) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:52 am
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"toad" <papatoad RemoveThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > > maybe, maybe not, but you don't know for sure.
> >
> > Exactly. If a trade happens you can not claim the rumor was true.
>
> if a trade happens, it's all the more reason to believe the rumor holds
some
> validity.
Speculation is not evidence. His teammates and the trainer say he is hurt.
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:24 am
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You're giving Iggy a bad rap. His injuries were all pre-2001. He played 62
games injury free in the 2001-2002 season. The team said coming into the
2002-2003 season that he managed to keep himself injury free the season
prior.
That means for essentially 2 full playing seasons now, he's had no problems
with the feet. He hasn't missed any games b/c of the feet. So it's not
just a string of about 120 games in which he's stayed healthy, it's more
like 180.
Also, I think the doctor's order you heard for him to play under 30 minutes
a night has to be old. Maybe 2 years old. Because he averaged 30 a night
last year, played over 30 minutes about 1/2 the games he played in, and
that's been the same case this year.
He hasn't shown any ill effects.
I don't think he's as much of a risk as you make him out to be.
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> > > You think feet that have broken 5 times and are being held together
> > medical
> > > bailing wire (pins and bone grafts) will ever be considered "healthy"?
> >
> > I think many guys have overcome injuries and proven to be durable.
bones
> > heal.
>
> And his are so fragile they keep breaking again and again. If you do not
> think that can end a career ask Walton...
> I see Z going to a team with a short window of contention. Since the
Blazers
> are rebuilding they should go for young healthy guys, not ones that have
> missed much of their career already.
>
> Which reminds me....
> They do have that center I think is playing in Europe that just started
> playing BBall before the draft. The one the agent put in the draft and
> thought was unknown so he would not be drafted but some scout for the
> Blazers had seen him. Have to check and see where and if he is playing.
>
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
> Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:30 am
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"toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> You're giving Iggy a bad rap.
I did not break his feet....
> His injuries were all pre-2001. He played 62
> games injury free in the 2001-2002 season.
The team said coming into the
> 2002-2003 season that he managed to keep himself injury free the season
> prior.
62 games... he played 20 minutes per with an 11 million buck salary. So he
missed 20 games because he was suspended if it was an "injury free" season?
=)
> That means for essentially 2 full playing seasons now, he's had no
problems
> with the feet. He hasn't missed any games b/c of the feet. So it's not
> just a string of about 120 games in which he's stayed healthy, it's more
> like 180.
>
> Also, I think the doctor's order you heard for him to play under 30
minutes
> a night has to be old. Maybe 2 years old. Because he averaged 30 a night
> last year, played over 30 minutes about 1/2 the games he played in, and
> that's been the same case this year.
>
> He hasn't shown any ill effects.
Except for the pain he says he is still plays in...
>
> I don't think he's as much of a risk as you make him out to be.
His feet were not made for the stress of basketball, they are held together
with so many pins he likely sets off metal detectors...Perhaps he will have
a full career now on them from the last major reconstruction. For his sake I
hope so, he has gone though hell to keep playing. But if I was a GM I would
not risk tying up 28 million in cap the next two seasons and pay another
13.5 million in luxury tax this year (and perhaps 14.6 next year) on that
risk. If he was on an ending contract or on an average contract it would be
different.
If I was the Portland GM, with his job current description for trades, I
would not risk that Z being found driving drunk around Portland either...
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that's important.
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(Msg. 80) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:34 am
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> good article. long. talks about okafor and nelson... they seem to be the
> top 2 college players at this point in the season.
>
> this kid you mention sounds promising, but really raw... and not from one
of
> the stronger european leagues.
>
> we'll follow his stock.
He may never make it to the NBA, but if he does the Blazers own his rights.
I could not find where, or if, he is playing this year. Telebasket does not
even list him and they have most of the world's players in the superguide,
so it may already be a dead issue.
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Laurel T
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more than 48 minutes, barring overtime."
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(Msg. 81) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:15 pm
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> works. And I suspect that if Wallace's injury were that bad, they woulda
> just put him on the IL. Of course he could have comeback prior to the
> minimum 5 games,
And he is back tonight. If they had stuck him on the IL he would not have
been available.
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players, their drug tests would include
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(Msg. 82) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:03 pm
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> "toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > good article. long. talks about okafor and nelson... they seem to be
the
> > top 2 college players at this point in the season.
> >
> > this kid you mention sounds promising, but really raw... and not from
one
> of
> > the stronger european leagues.
> >
> > we'll follow his stock.
>
> He may never make it to the NBA, but if he does the Blazers own his
rights.
> I could not find where, or if, he is playing this year. Telebasket does
not
> even list him and they have most of the world's players in the superguide,
> so it may already be a dead issue.
Did you see Nelson today against Xavier? It was on espn. If you haven't
seen him play, you should try sometime. PG for St. Joseph's. He's small,
and reminds me a lot of Iverson. Creates off the dribble, cuts through
defenses, can make the 3 ball (even with guys in his face), passes good,
playmaker. Throws up some stupid shots like Iverson as well, but St. Joe's
is ranked 6th in the nation, in large part to Nelson and their back court.
The other man in the backcourt (West) was perfect from the floor today and
had 33 points. Nelson had 28 pts. They both had 2 steals, 8 combined
boards, and 3 combined assists. They pretty much tookover in the 2nd half
(when they were trailing by 6) and won by 8.
The big problem is that they're a mid-major and don't have an overwhelming
schedule. They're undefeated on the year and the best teams they've beat
are Gonzaga, BC, Penn, Cal, and Xavier (today). Their tougher games
remaining are URI twice, Dayton, and Villanova (probably their toughest
non-conference game). If they lose any of those, their rank and RPI will
drop, but they're going to the dance (barring a major collapse). >> Stay informed about: Hey Blazers Fans What Do You Think About These Trade Rumors |
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(Msg. 83) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:03 pm
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> Did you see Nelson today against Xavier? It was on espn. If you haven't
> seen him play, you should try sometime.
I shall try. Post it if you see a game is being telecast, I do not watch
much college ball.
PG for St. Joseph's. He's small,
> and reminds me a lot of Iverson. Creates off the dribble, cuts through
> defenses, can make the 3 ball (even with guys in his face), passes good,
> playmaker. Throws up some stupid shots like Iverson as well, but St.
Joe's
> is ranked 6th in the nation, in large part to Nelson and their back court.
His FGP is pretty good this year. nbadraft.net mock draft currently has him
predicted going at 12th.
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Michael Jordan. Of course,
he would be only 12 years old."
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(Msg. 84) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:03 pm
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> > His FGP is pretty good this year. nbadraft.net mock draft currently has
> him
> > predicted going at 12th.
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> i use that site occasionally myself. mockdraft's are pretty lame.
Most of them. I still use this one for stats and stuff.
most
> are based on who they'd take, or who they like, as opposed to team needs.
> they try to project who they think the best players in the world are, but
> it's far from an exact science.
Totally subjective. ...=)
I love an old article called draft 101. I will see if I can find it and post
it.
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Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
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(Msg. 85) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:59 am
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> > works. And I suspect that if Wallace's injury were that bad, they
woulda
> > just put him on the IL. Of course he could have comeback prior to the
> > minimum 5 games,
>
>
> And he is back tonight. If they had stuck him on the IL he would not have
> been available.
saw that. musta been that kickass meeting yesterday b/c he didn't seem to
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(Msg. 86) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:59 am
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> saw that. musta been that kickass meeting yesterday b/c he didn't seem to
> show any ill effects from that severe injury that kept him out 4 games.
Or that he had two more days to heal since he was almost ready with a
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