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Tony Rice wrote:
> mianderson.DeleteThis@students.mcg.edu wrote in news:1176415756.993181.96790
> @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > 1) they weren't public figures
>
> Why not? These weren't random people on the street. They were NCAA
> athletes playing in a championship game with plenty of press coverage.

heh.....99% of the population(and probably 95% of sports fans)
couldn't have named 1 player on their team. Womens college basketball
has zero juice......the only "public figures" in women's college
basketball are some of the high profile coaches and maybe one or two
players every few years.........women's college basketball players
arent anymore public figures than womens softball players.



>
> Are the men playing NCAA basketball public figures?

yeah. some of them are at least.
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On Apr 13, 1:38 pm, miander....RemoveThis@students.mcg.edu wrote:
> Tony Rice wrote:
> > miander....RemoveThis@students.mcg.edu wrote in news:1176415756.993181.96790
> > @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > 1) they weren't public figures
>
> > Why not? These weren't random people on the street. They were NCAA
> > athletes playing in a championship game with plenty of press coverage.
>
> heh.....99% of the population(and probably 95% of sports fans)
> couldn't have named 1 player on their team. Womens college basketball
> has zero juice......the only "public figures" in women's college
> basketball are some of the high profile coaches and maybe one or two
> players every few years.........women's college basketball players
> arent anymore public figures than womens softball players.
>
>
>
> > Are the men playing NCAA basketball public figures?
>
> yeah. some of them are at least.


You might be interested to know that 73% of cited statistics are made
up.
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the_andrew_smith.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote in
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> On Apr 12, 6:09 pm, miander....TakeThisOut@students.mcg.edu wrote:
>> Tony Rice wrote:
>> > Jay Furr <jfurr-nos....TakeThisOut@nospam-furrs.org> wrote in
>> >news:Xns9910AD5373530pennstatesux@216.168.3.44:
>>
>> > > CBS Radio has cancelled him, effective immediately.
>>
>> > Wow, this will have much much larger implications than just Imus.
>> > CBS radio essentially ruled that race will no longer be discussed
>> > on radio any longer, at least by white people.
>>
>> it's not just the race comment...it was the ho comment.
>>
>> There are a lot of factors that make this case a little different
>> from your "typical" racially/gender insensitive remarks by
>> personalities:
>>
>> 1) they weren't public figures
>> 2) even though they weren't public figures, they were still *singled
>> out*
>>
>> If imus refers to a group of random women he saw at the grocery store
>> yesterday as hos, then it's a little different because nobody really
>> knows who he is talking about. they don't have names or faces to the
>> audience. So it's different in that respect......
>
> I don't get it.
>
> They weren't public figures, yet everybody knew who he was talking
> about - unlike somebody that isn't a public figure?

There's a legal standard for public figures which applies to things like
their right to privacy and so forth. I don't know what it is, but it
exists. Someone doesn't become a public figure in the legal sense until
they're a lot better known than a women's basketball team.

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Jay Furr <jfurr-nospam RemoveThis @nospam-furrs.org> wrote in
news:Xns991151B72FC18pennstatesux@216.168.3.44:

> There's a legal standard for public figures which applies to things like
> their right to privacy and so forth. I don't know what it is, but it
> exists. Someone doesn't become a public figure in the legal sense until
> they're a lot better known than a women's basketball team.

We shouldn't confuse "public figure" with "celebrity". While a celebrity
is a public figure, the reverse isn't true.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/defamation.html#3

"A person can also become a "limited public figure" by engaging in actions
which generate publicity within a narrow area of interest."

It could be argued that anyone playing a sport on TV could be considered a
"public figure". Rutgers holding that press conference and their
appearance on Oprah sure erased any doubt that they are public figures.

Did these women diserve what they were originally called? No. But Rutgers
University shares a very large portion of the credit/blame for what this
incident has done to these women, whatever that may be.
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:59:08 -0500, Tony Rice <rtphokie DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:


>Wow, this will have much much larger implications than just Imus. CBS
>radio essentially ruled that race will no longer be discussed on radio any
>longer, at least by white people.

Bait. There is nothing resembling discussion on talk radio.
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swq22 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote in news:72su13l49ktcbt1dhjo7nlg0g19do272uf@4ax.com:

> Bait. There is nothing resembling discussion on talk radio

Can you come over and paint my house? With that brush you'll be done in no
time.
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In rec.sport.football.college Tony Rice <rtphokie RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Jay Furr <jfurr-nospam RemoveThis @nospam-furrs.org> wrote in
> news:Xns9910AD5373530pennstatesux@216.168.3.44:
>
>> CBS Radio has cancelled him, effective immediately.
>>
>
> Wow, this will have much much larger implications than just Imus. CBS
> radio essentially ruled that race will no longer be discussed on radio any
> longer, at least by white people.

Exactly what about calling people "nappy headed ho's" is discussion?

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Aaron
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<aborgman.RemoveThis@redshark.goodshow.net> wrote in
news:fT40qq1kIodN3l@redshark.goodshow.net:

>> Wow, this will have much much larger implications than just Imus.
>> CBS radio essentially ruled that race will no longer be discussed on
>> radio any longer, at least by white people.
>
> Exactly what about calling people "nappy headed ho's" is discussion?

Nothing. But the reprocusisons of this incident is that radio execs will
be so afraid of anything being racially charged that it wont just be the "N
word" that's taboo, it will be any mention of race whatsoever.
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In rec.sport.football.college Tony Rice <rtphokie DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> <aborgman DeleteThis @redshark.goodshow.net> wrote in
> news:fT40qq1kIodN3l@redshark.goodshow.net:
>
>>> Wow, this will have much much larger implications than just Imus.
>>> CBS radio essentially ruled that race will no longer be discussed on
>>> radio any longer, at least by white people.
>>
>> Exactly what about calling people "nappy headed ho's" is discussion?
>
> Nothing. But the reprocusisons of this incident is that radio execs will
> be so afraid of anything being racially charged that it wont just be the "N
> word" that's taboo, it will be any mention of race whatsoever.

Yet just this morning I heard a perfectly normal discussion about race
on NPR.

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Aaron
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Tony Rice <rtphokie RemoveThis @gmail.com> writes:
> mianderson RemoveThis @students.mcg.edu wrote in news:1176415756.993181.96790
>
> > 2) even though they weren't public figures, they were still *singled
> > out*
>
> So? It was a joke. If they wanted an appology, they should have called
> Imus or his company and asked for one. But they called a press conference.
>
> Rutgers wanted press not an appology.

That's a bit harsh, but not wholly untrue.

As one black woman commentator said this
morning, when she was growing up her mother taught
her to ignore cheap backhanded taunts, and she
added that the notion that one old man ruined an
entire basketball season with one stupid thoughtless
joke was just so much poppycock. Embracing
victimhood like this weakens black women rather
than empower them.

Imus apologized profusely and admitted his remark
was idiotic. He even pledged (and you know this
would have been closely monitored) to rechannel
his program in a new direction. That should have
been the end of it. Instead, this "this ruined
our lives" bullcrap.

The Duke kids who got falsely accused of
a crime with horrific stigma like rape, and who had
their lives disrupted and torn asunder, and who
had to spend months and months and thousands of
dollars in an uphill battle for exhoneration, had
their lives ruined. A bunch of women who got
"dissed" by an offhand idiotic joke did not get their
lives "ruined." The incident was indeed unfortunate,
but let's get some perspective here.

--Ralph Kennedy {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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kennedy.DeleteThis@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) wrote in
news:JGGCs2.E0K@asuvax.eas.asu.edu:

> The Duke kids who got falsely accused of
> a crime with horrific stigma like rape, and who had
> their lives disrupted and torn asunder, and who
> had to spend months and months and thousands of
> dollars in an uphill battle for exhoneration, had
> their lives ruined. A bunch of women who got
> "dissed" by an offhand idiotic joke did not get their
> lives "ruined." The incident was indeed unfortunate,
> but let's get some perspective here.

You hit the nail on the head.
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Tony Rice <rtphokie.RemoveThis@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Exactly what about calling people "nappy headed ho's" is discussion?
>
> Nothing. But the reprocusisons of this incident is that radio execs will
> be so afraid of anything being racially charged that it wont just be the "N
> word" that's taboo, it will be any mention of race whatsoever.

This whole preoccupation of indignation over
getting "dissed" has gone way too far. That is
the first reaction of so many black people, regardless
if they are being "dissed" by a white person or
a fellow black person (in which case they often
respond, very violently). I've seen Texan white
males do the same thing, where the least little
insult is "fighting words."

We see the same thing with Muslims killing
people because they were "dissed," even by
something as innocuous as a cartoon.

Now we're starting to see young groups of
militant Christians, who want to "fight" for their
religion. There was a big article on it I just read
this morning in a magazine (I'll try to dig up
a reference if anyone is interested).

--Ralph Kennedy {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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