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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:54 pm
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la-sports-headlines
When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan or an
NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent, O'Neal said
the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was limited to the
individuals.
"These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a little
bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged by what
happened [in Detroit]."
O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age limit
for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other
sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He
wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when some
of them are among the best and most popular players.
"I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high
school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.
"I am not a killer," said O'Neal, a three-time All-Star. "I am not a beastly
guy. It was just a bad situation that happened. Everybody goes through
situations where you say, `Man, I wish that hadn't happened.'
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:42 pm
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> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-joneal16jan16,0,4091978.story?coll=sf
> la-sports-headlines
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> When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan or an
> NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent, O'Neal said
> the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was limited to the
> individuals.
>
> "These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a little
> bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged by what
> happened [in Detroit]."
>
> O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age
> limit
> for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other
> sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He
> wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when
> some
> of them are among the best and most popular players.
I'm absolutely sure that there's an age limit in hockey, at least.
>
> "I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high
> school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.
No, it's because fighting with fans is sure to doom the sport.
>
> "I am not a killer," said O'Neal, a three-time All-Star. "I am not a
> beastly
> guy. It was just a bad situation that happened. Everybody goes through
> situations where you say, `Man, I wish that hadn't happened.'
>
> "But does that make you a bad person?"
Any good person can do bad things, and vice versa. However, no one was ever
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:37 pm
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s_knight8 wrote:
> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-joneal16jan16,0,4091978.story?coll=sf
> la-sports-headlines
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> When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan or an
> NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent, O'Neal said
> the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was limited to the
> individuals.
>
> "These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a little
> bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged by what
> happened [in Detroit]."
>
> O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age limit
> for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other
> sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He
> wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when some
> of them are among the best and most popular players.
>
> "I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high
> school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.
>
> "I am not a killer," said O'Neal, a three-time All-Star. "I am not a beastly
> guy. It was just a bad situation that happened. Everybody goes through
> situations where you say, `Man, I wish that hadn't happened.'
>
> "But does that make you a bad person?"
>
>
>
>
What is wrong with blaming racism? If the shoe fits...
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:37 pm
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In article <34vqsgF4fmfosU1 RemoveThis @individual.net>, "Sébastien Poitras"
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> > O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age
> > limit
> > for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other
> > sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He
> > wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when
> > some
> > of them are among the best and most popular players.
>
> I'm absolutely sure that there's an age limit in hockey, at least.
There is (or was) in baseball as well, though it only effectively
applies to foreign players. They can't (or at least couldn't) play
until the equivalent of their high school class would have graduated.
This is only an issue because of something that the NBA players'
association is opposed to, which is the existence of formal
minor league affiliates in baseball. The players' association
says that this would allow teams to "stockpile" younger players,
essentially keeping them on the farm until their careers are over
just to keep other teams from getting them.
Yeah, no other sport has that problem, but the players' association
long ago gave up the pretense of caring about the vast majority of
their members who would be effected (and benefit) from a formal
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:48 am
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> It was just a bad situation that happened. Everybody goes through
> situations where you say, `Man, I wish that hadn't happened.'
>
> "But does that make you a bad person?"
No, but most good people would reflect and say "That was a bad situation
that I was a part of" or "Man, I wish that I hadn't done that."
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:37 am
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I think O'Neal's point--and it's a fair one--is this. When white
players or fans do bad things, like baseball or hockey players going
into the stands, or baseball fans rushing onto the field to attack a
first base coach, or soccer hooligans do what they do, etc., we rightly
blame the people involved BUT we don't hear black radio and TV
personalities blaming these acts on "white culture," the music whites
listen to, etc. On the other hand, we did have to listen to the Rush
Limbaughs of the world and others blame "black culture," rap music,
etc. for the actions of many of the folks involved in the Palace
fights. Not *every* commentator did that, but quite a few did. That's
a double standard, and to that extent, racist.
Now, let's get back to watching some games and remember the message of
nonviolence and loving your brother of Martin Luther King, Jr. And
it's pretty nice to have the day game be defending champs Pistons
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:35 am
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jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
> I think O'Neal's point--and it's a fair one--is this. When white
> players or fans do bad things, like baseball or hockey players going
> into the stands, or baseball fans rushing onto the field to attack a
> first base coach, or soccer hooligans do what they do, etc., we
> rightly blame the people involved BUT we don't hear black radio and TV
> personalities blaming these acts on "white culture," the music whites
> listen to, etc. On the other hand, we did have to listen to the Rush
> Limbaughs of the world and others blame "black culture," rap music,
> etc. for the actions of many of the folks involved in the Palace
> fights. Not *every* commentator did that, but quite a few did.
> That's a double standard, and to that extent, racist.
I wouldn't be using Rush Limbaugh as your crutch for calling racism by the
masses. He doesn't represent anyone but idiots, and a small % of the
country.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:31 am
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Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> jslater.DeleteThis@utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater.DeleteThis@utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
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> > I think O'Neal's point--and it's a fair one--is this. When white
> > players or fans do bad things, like baseball or hockey players
going
> > into the stands, or baseball fans rushing onto the field to attack
a
> > first base coach, or soccer hooligans do what they do, etc., we
> > rightly blame the people involved BUT we don't hear black radio and
TV
> > personalities blaming these acts on "white culture," the music
whites
> > listen to, etc. On the other hand, we did have to listen to the
Rush
> > Limbaughs of the world and others blame "black culture," rap music,
> > etc. for the actions of many of the folks involved in the Palace
> > fights. Not *every* commentator did that, but quite a few did.
> > That's a double standard, and to that extent, racist.
>
> I wouldn't be using Rush Limbaugh as your crutch for calling racism
by the
> masses. He doesn't represent anyone but idiots, and a small % of the
> country.
>
I would like to think that you're right about Rush's appeal, but I fear
that you underestimate the number of his followers. And while I don't
know what you mean by "crutch," I do know that it wasn't just Rush
blaming "black culture."--Joe
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:00 pm
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jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
> I would like to think that you're right about Rush's appeal, but I
> fear that you underestimate the number of his followers. And while I
> don't know what you mean by "crutch," I do know that it wasn't just
> Rush blaming "black culture."--Joe
I think Rush's "audience" has dwindled a lot. No one seems to pay attention
to him anymore.
And by 'crutch', I mean, if you have to point out it being racist (the
coverage, etc) based on Rush Limbaugh...well, using Rush as a reference
point of something bad isn't exactly hard.
That'd be like saying how horrible the media is in relation to the tsunami
based on what Michael Savage said.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:22 am
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Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> jslater.DeleteThis@utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater.DeleteThis@utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
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> > I would like to think that you're right about Rush's appeal, but I
> > fear that you underestimate the number of his followers. And while
I
> > don't know what you mean by "crutch," I do know that it wasn't just
> > Rush blaming "black culture."--Joe
>
> I think Rush's "audience" has dwindled a lot. No one seems to pay
attention
> to him anymore.
Again, I would love to think that you're right, but what do you base
that on?
>
> And by 'crutch', I mean, if you have to point out it being racist
(the
> coverage, etc) based on Rush Limbaugh...well, using Rush as a
reference
> point of something bad isn't exactly hard.
Again, it wasn't just Rush that was blaming "black culture."
> That'd be like saying how horrible the media is in relation to the
tsunami
> based on what Michael Savage said.
I almost hesitate to ask, but now you've got me curious: what did he
say?--Joe
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:21 am
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jslater DeleteThis @utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater DeleteThis @utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
> Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
>> jslater DeleteThis @utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater DeleteThis @utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
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>>> I would like to think that you're right about Rush's appeal, but I
>>> fear that you underestimate the number of his followers. And while
>>> I don't know what you mean by "crutch," I do know that it wasn't
>>> just Rush blaming "black culture."--Joe
>>
>> I think Rush's "audience" has dwindled a lot. No one seems to pay
>> attention to him anymore.
>
> Again, I would love to think that you're right, but what do you base
> that on?
he doesn't have a TV show, and basically no one cares about him anymore.
Radio's pull is not as powerful as it once was. And most of Rush's "fans"
probably don't follow the NBA very much.
>>
>> And by 'crutch', I mean, if you have to point out it being racist
>> (the coverage, etc) based on Rush Limbaugh...well, using Rush as a
>> reference point of something bad isn't exactly hard.
>
> Again, it wasn't just Rush that was blaming "black culture."
most of the people who "blamed" black culture, were not speaking for the
majority of people, or rationale people. Who exactly was blaming black
culture anyway?
Usually ignorant fools who don't have much say in the world.
>
>> That'd be like saying how horrible the media is in relation to the
>> tsunami based on what Michael Savage said.
>
> I almost hesitate to ask, but now you've got me curious: what did he
> say?--Joe
he basically said we shouldn't be sending $ to the tsunami victims. BUT,
Savage is just an act, who says things to get attention, and in the end,
more $$ for his pocket. He speaks to an ignorant, xenophobic and homophobic
fan-base (the core of his audience I mean) and the fringe just listen
because outside of his out-landish statements, they somewhat agree (to a
smaller degree) with what he says.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:56 pm
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:46:11 -0500, SkippyPB
<swiegand.TakeThisOut@neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:47:51 -0800, "Blazer Fan Dan" <me.TakeThisOut@server.net>
>enlightened us:
>
>>s_knight8 <s_knight8nospam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> scribbled:
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>>> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-
>>> joneal16jan16,0,4091978.story?coll=sf la-sports-headlines
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>>> When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan
>>> or an NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent,
>>> O'Neal said the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was
>>> limited to the individuals.
>>>
>>> "These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a
>>> little bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged
>>> by what happened [in Detroit]."
>>
>>wasn't the guy who threw the chair black?
>>
>
>No. Franklin Francisco is hispanic (born in the Dominican Republic).
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:37 pm
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xpenenyx.DeleteThis@earthlink.net <xpenenyx.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> scribbled:
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> Rush Limbaugh hosts the highest rated national radio talk show in
> America. He is known as the media pundit who reshaped the political
> landscape with his entertaining and informative brand of conservatism.
> Syndicated on 600 radio stations, Limbaugh has the most listened to
> talk show with 20 million people tuning in each week.
which is under 10% of the country..bfd.
Art Bell had a huge following, using him as a source of something doesn't
mean anything.
> Limbaugh's show is carried on WJR "The Great Voice of the
> Great.Lakes." and you are sadly misinformed if you think WERe's
> listeners are idiots. Brian Williams, not the stiff that played for
> the Pistons, has said he listens to Limelight and says Limelight
> doesn't get the credit he deserves. Is Brian Williams an idiot too?
whats this have to do with anything?
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<xpenenyx RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jan 2005 10:31:36 -0800, jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu wrote:
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>>
>>Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
>>> jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu <jslater RemoveThis @utnet.utoledo.edu> scribbled:
>>>
>>> > I think O'Neal's point--and it's a fair one--is this. When white
>>> > players or fans do bad things, like baseball or hockey players
>>going
>>> > into the stands, or baseball fans rushing onto the field to attack
>>a
>>> > first base coach, or soccer hooligans do what they do, etc., we
>>> > rightly blame the people involved BUT we don't hear black radio and
>>TV
>>> > personalities blaming these acts on "white culture," the music
>>whites
>>> > listen to, etc. On the other hand, we did have to listen to the
>>Rush
>>> > Limbaughs of the world and others blame "black culture," rap music,
>>> > etc. for the actions of many of the folks involved in the Palace
>>> > fights. Not *every* commentator did that, but quite a few did.
>>> > That's a double standard, and to that extent, racist.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be using Rush Limbaugh as your crutch for calling racism
>>by the
>>> masses. He doesn't represent anyone but idiots, and a small % of the
>>> country.
>>>
>>I would like to think that you're right about Rush's appeal, but I fear
>>that you underestimate the number of his followers. And while I don't
>>know what you mean by "crutch," I do know that it wasn't just Rush
>>blaming "black culture."--Joe
>
> Rush Limbaugh hosts the highest rated national radio talk show in
> America. He is known as the media pundit who reshaped the political
> landscape with his entertaining and informative brand of conservatism.
> Syndicated on 600 radio stations, Limbaugh has the most listened to
> talk show with 20 million people tuning in each week.
>
> Limbaugh's show is carried on WJR "The Great Voice of the
> Great.Lakes." and you are sadly misinformed if you think WERe's
> listeners are idiots. Brian Williams, not the stiff that played for
> the Pistons, has said he listens to Limelight and says Limelight
> doesn't get the credit he deserves. Is Brian Williams an idiot too?
Probably not an idiot, but an employee of a company that is owned by General
Electrics. GE is one of the most prominent and long lasting providers
(contractors?) for the American army, so no wonder why they try to push the
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xpenenyx.RemoveThis@earthlink.net <xpenenyx.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> scribbled:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:16:39 -0500, "Sébastien Poitras"
> <sebastien.poitrasSPAMBLOWS.RemoveThis@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Probably not an idiot, but an employee of a company that is owned by
>> General Electrics. GE is one of the most prominent and long lasting
>> providers (contractors?) for the American army, so no wonder why
>> they try to push the conservative agenda.
>>
> Hmm. I wasn't aware that NBC was owned by GE. It's pretty obvious
> don't know who Brian Williams is so I'll help. He's the guy that is
> taking Tom Brokaw's place anchoring NBC nightly news. Now who is the
> idiot?
what the hell?
can someone translate this into something that makes sense?
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