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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 9:58 am
Post subject: Jerry West clearing capspace for Kobe after next season
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http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/6195580.htm
The rest of the Lakers just need to be committed and handle their
business, just as Bryant always has, improving some element of his
game each year.
No other player, no coach, no front-office official with the Lakers
can make such a claim, so the time for change is now, unless L.A.
wants Eddie Jones back with O'Neal instead of Bryant. And it would
help if the Lakers could get P.J. Brown, Juwan Howard or Alonzo
Mourning.
If not, remember that Jerry West, the man who brought Bryant to L.A.,
is presiding over the Grizzlies in Memphis. And he'll have cap room.
The Grizzlies' payroll is about $35 million for next year. They have
team options on Shane Battier and Pau Gasol next summer, which could
potentially free up an additional $7.5 million for West to get Bryant.
Think otherwise? Remember all those bodies West unloaded when he was
with the Lakers to steal O'Neal away from Orlando?
West pulled off the blockbuster while O'Neal was participating in the
1996 Olympics. Bryant will be in Athens, Greece, for the 2004 Olympics
next summer.
The Lakers can appear blasé about Bryant's potential departure if they
wish and assume he won't leave.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:34 pm
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> I don't think Jerry would do that to the Lakers. He's said that he still
> has a lot of love for the Lakers and I don't think he'd screw them like
> that. He might be clearing cap space, but I don't think it's for Kobe.
it's nothing personal, it's only business.
personally, i wouldn't be surprised if the spurs keep some room open for
next year. it looks better than this year, with kobe and garnett in f.a.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 4:56 pm
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In article <6bd12cd6.0306290858.10aa5179 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
s_knight8 RemoveThis @hotmail.com (s_knight8) wrote:
> No other player, no coach, no front-office official with the Lakers
> can make such a claim, so the time for change is now, unless L.A.
> wants Eddie Jones back with O'Neal instead of Bryant. And it would
> help if the Lakers could get P.J. Brown, Juwan Howard or Alonzo
> Mourning.
Hmmm, all Riley players (with an * next to Howard). Coincidence?
(Note that I have no idea what I'm alluding to here, so I guess
it is just a coincidence.)
> The Lakers can appear blasé about Bryant's potential departure if they
> wish and assume he won't leave.
What exactly are the Lakers supposed to do? Trade Shaq and take
a tumble down in the ranklings to accomodate another player's
ego? It's Bryant's option, he's the one who will choose to
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:54 pm
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/6195580.htm
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> The rest of the Lakers just need to be committed and handle their
> business, just as Bryant always has, improving some element of his
> game each year.
>
> No other player, no coach, no front-office official with the Lakers
> can make such a claim, so the time for change is now, unless L.A.
> wants Eddie Jones back with O'Neal instead of Bryant. And it would
> help if the Lakers could get P.J. Brown, Juwan Howard or Alonzo
> Mourning.
>
> If not, remember that Jerry West, the man who brought Bryant to L.A.,
> is presiding over the Grizzlies in Memphis. And he'll have cap room.
>
> The Grizzlies' payroll is about $35 million for next year. They have
> team options on Shane Battier and Pau Gasol next summer, which could
> potentially free up an additional $7.5 million for West to get Bryant.
>
> Think otherwise? Remember all those bodies West unloaded when he was
> with the Lakers to steal O'Neal away from Orlando?
>
> West pulled off the blockbuster while O'Neal was participating in the
> 1996 Olympics. Bryant will be in Athens, Greece, for the 2004 Olympics
> next summer.
>
> The Lakers can appear blasé about Bryant's potential departure if they
> wish and assume he won't leave.
>
> Fools, like suckers, are born every day.
Oh yeah - Kobe's gonna jump from the Lakers to the Grizz. From LA to
Memphis.
From a dynasty to a team that's run like the prime time soap opera.
From the biggest media market in the world to the smallest market in the
league.
From an exciting, sophisticated city to a place that considers indoor
plumbing " showy ".
Even if those fools and suckers were born yesterday by today
they're too smart to believe this "rumour ". >> Stay informed about: Jerry West clearing capspace for Kobe after next season |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:05 am
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"D. Gerasimatos" wrote:
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> I don't think Jerry would do that to the Lakers. He's said that he still
> has a lot of love for the Lakers and I don't think he'd screw them like
> that. He might be clearing cap space, but I don't think it's for Kobe.
If he's worried about screwing another team by pursuing a free agent, I
don't want him in charge. That said, there's no way he *IS* worried
about that, and I'm happy with what he's done so far here.
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Eric Opperman
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the ball too much." -- Former Giants bat boy Darren Baker, son of Cubs
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 12:17 pm
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This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. Jerry West is
committed to helping the Grizzlies win championships, not the Lakers.
dim.RemoveThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:
> I don't think Jerry would do that to the Lakers. He's said that he still
> has a lot of love for the Lakers and I don't think he'd screw them like
> that. He might be clearing cap space, but I don't think it's for Kobe.
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> Dimitri >> Stay informed about: Jerry West clearing capspace for Kobe after next season |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:09 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:50 pm
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In article <f74ed76b.0306301117.72d29c71.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>,
teddd <t9t9t9t9.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. Jerry West is
>committed to helping the Grizzlies win championships, not the Lakers.
Jerry West is and will always be a Laker. He will not screw the Lakers in
order to help Memphis get ahead. He will sign Kobe if Kobe wants to go,
but it would be stupid to think that Jerry would go out of his way to
screw the Lakers. He's got more integrity than that.
Dimitri >> Stay informed about: Jerry West clearing capspace for Kobe after next season |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:54 pm
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In article <3F00B51E.4771 DeleteThis @assist.org>, Larry Coon <lcnospam DeleteThis @assist.org> wrote:
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>Correct. This article is a good one:
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>http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/hughes_frank/1430852.html
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>The most relevant quote from this article is the following:
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> What I love about West is that he is actually good friends
> with Sonics president Wally Walker. But that didn't stop
> West from reaching into Walker's stomach and ripping out
> his spleen. It is that win-at-all-costs characteristic that
> made West such an icon in Los Angeles.
I disagree with the notion that West is "win-at-all-costs". For instance,
West did not like to sign players who had a bad character. A professional
attitude and a respect for the game are important to Jerry. I think
honesty and integrity are important to Jerry. He would've honored his
commitment to Rick Fox even if Fox had injured himself before the Lakers
had Bird rights, for instance. "Win-at-all-costs" is not how I'd describe
Jerry West. Fiercely competitive for sure, but not "win-at-all-costs".
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:17 pm
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It wouldn't be about "screwing the Lakers". It would be about getting the
best available player for the Grizz. Not doing the best thing for your
current employer would be a lack of integrity. If Kobe were to sign with
the Grizz it would be indicative that he was leaving L.A. anyway. No
screwing involved. West is the consummate professional and if he can
improve Memphis' situation, then he'll in all likelihood say "Lakers be
damned" and do it. That's integrity.
"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <f74ed76b.0306301117.72d29c71 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
> teddd <t9t9t9t9 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. Jerry West is
> >committed to helping the Grizzlies win championships, not the Lakers.
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>
> Jerry West is and will always be a Laker. He will not screw the Lakers in
> order to help Memphis get ahead. He will sign Kobe if Kobe wants to go,
> but it would be stupid to think that Jerry would go out of his way to
> screw the Lakers. He's got more integrity than that.
>
>
> Dimitri
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:25 pm
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"D. Gerasimatos" wrote:
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> In article <3F00B51E.4771 RemoveThis @assist.org>, Larry Coon <lcnospam RemoveThis @assist.org> wrote:
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> >Correct. This article is a good one:
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> >http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/hughes_frank/1430852.html
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> >The most relevant quote from this article is the following:
> >
> > What I love about West is that he is actually good friends
> > with Sonics president Wally Walker. But that didn't stop
> > West from reaching into Walker's stomach and ripping out
> > his spleen. It is that win-at-all-costs characteristic that
> > made West such an icon in Los Angeles.
>
> I disagree with the notion that West is "win-at-all-costs". For instance,
> West did not like to sign players who had a bad character.
Well, except for Elden Campbell, Nick Van Exel and Dennis Rodman I suppose
so :)
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:35 pm
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In article <3F00C770.4A066A1F DeleteThis @netscape.net>,
Gary Collard <garycollard DeleteThis @netscape.net> wrote:
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>Well, except for Elden Campbell, Nick Van Exel and Dennis Rodman I suppose
>so :)
Jerry West has not happy about the Rodman signing. I never realized Elden
was trouble. Van Exel was shipped out for nothing once he became a problem.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:40 pm
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In article <jy3Ma.170$le3.109099186@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
William Brackeen <william_brackeen.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>It wouldn't be about "screwing the Lakers". It would be about getting the
>best available player for the Grizz. Not doing the best thing for your
>current employer would be a lack of integrity. If Kobe were to sign with
>the Grizz it would be indicative that he was leaving L.A. anyway. No
>screwing involved. West is the consummate professional and if he can
>improve Memphis' situation, then he'll in all likelihood say "Lakers be
>damned" and do it. That's integrity.
There's a difference between signing someone who is going to leave anyway
and actively recruiting a prized employee away from a former employer.
I stand by my statement that West is clearing cap space for an impact
player. He is not clearing cap space to make a run at Kobe. If that impact
player turns out to be Kobe then he'll be delighted, but the articles make
it seem like he's targeted Kobe and will use his relationship with Kobe
against the Lakers. That's bullshit. West will not lure Kobe away from
LA. If Kobe wants to leave LA that's something else entirely. Is the
difference too subtle to understand?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:41 am
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"D. Gerasimatos" wrote:
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> In article <3F00B51E.4771.DeleteThis@assist.org>, Larry Coon <lcnospam.DeleteThis@assist.org> wrote:
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> >Correct. This article is a good one:
> >
> >http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/hughes_frank/1430852.html
> >
> >The most relevant quote from this article is the following:
> >
> > What I love about West is that he is actually good friends
> > with Sonics president Wally Walker. But that didn't stop
> > West from reaching into Walker's stomach and ripping out
> > his spleen. It is that win-at-all-costs characteristic that
> > made West such an icon in Los Angeles.
>
> I disagree with the notion that West is "win-at-all-costs". For instance,
> West did not like to sign players who had a bad character. A professional
> attitude and a respect for the game are important to Jerry. I think
> honesty and integrity are important to Jerry. He would've honored his
> commitment to Rick Fox even if Fox had injured himself before the Lakers
> had Bird rights, for instance. "Win-at-all-costs" is not how I'd describe
> Jerry West. Fiercely competitive for sure, but not "win-at-all-costs".
He probably considers character and respect important to winning. That
wouldn't go against a win at all costs approach to building a team.
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Eric Opperman
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:54 am
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"D. Gerasimatos" wrote:
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> In article <jy3Ma.170$le3.109099186@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
> William Brackeen <william_brackeen.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> >It wouldn't be about "screwing the Lakers". It would be about getting the
> >best available player for the Grizz. Not doing the best thing for your
> >current employer would be a lack of integrity. If Kobe were to sign with
> >the Grizz it would be indicative that he was leaving L.A. anyway. No
> >screwing involved. West is the consummate professional and if he can
> >improve Memphis' situation, then he'll in all likelihood say "Lakers be
> >damned" and do it. That's integrity.
>
> There's a difference between signing someone who is going to leave anyway
> and actively recruiting a prized employee away from a former employer.
> I stand by my statement that West is clearing cap space for an impact
> player. He is not clearing cap space to make a run at Kobe. If that impact
> player turns out to be Kobe then he'll be delighted, but the articles make
> it seem like he's targeted Kobe and will use his relationship with Kobe
> against the Lakers. That's bullshit. West will not lure Kobe away from
> LA. If Kobe wants to leave LA that's something else entirely. Is the
> difference too subtle to understand?
He will attempt to lure the best available free agent(s) who would fit
with his team. If that free agent used to play for the Lakers, so
what. If he used to play for the Clippers, so what. And he will use
whatever means he has to try to get said free agent to come to Memphis.
That's kinda the job description.
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Thanks for your time,
Eric Opperman
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