Jerry West clearing capspace for Kobe after next season

In article <fe4ef4b6.0307020853.33fd18b DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
Albert <ambchang DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>dim@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<bdqhpj$sr4$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>
>> There's a difference between signing someone who is going to leave anyway
>> and actively recruiting a prized employee away from a former employer.
>
>Such as what happened to Shaq? But of course, we know that it is
>perfectly ok to do it against a 2 bit operation like the Magic, while
>it's totally unacceptable against a class organization like the
>Lakers.


The Orlando Magic was not a former employer of Jerry West and he had no
ties to that team.


Dimitri
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"teddd" <t9t9t9t9 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. Jerry West is
> committed to helping the Grizzlies win championships, not the Lakers.

I appreciated the disclaimer at the begining of your message. Thank you







>
>
> dim DeleteThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:
> > I don't think Jerry would do that to the Lakers. He's said that he still
> > has a lot of love for the Lakers and I don't think he'd screw them like
> > that. He might be clearing cap space, but I don't think it's for Kobe.
> >
> >
> > Dimitri
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dim DeleteThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<bdvo9q$1790$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
> In article <fe4ef4b6.0307020853.33fd18b DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
> Albert <ambchang DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >dim@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<bdqhpj$sr4$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
> >
> >> There's a difference between signing someone who is going to leave anyway
> >> and actively recruiting a prized employee away from a former employer.
> >
> >Such as what happened to Shaq? But of course, we know that it is
> >perfectly ok to do it against a 2 bit operation like the Magic, while
> >it's totally unacceptable against a class organization like the
> >Lakers.
>
>
> The Orlando Magic was not a former employer of Jerry West and he had no
> ties to that team.
>

What difference does that make? Just because Jerry West was a
Lakers icon (and NBA icon) for the last 25 years forbids him to pry
players away from the Lakers? That's very unprofessional if Jerry
West actually does let his previous personal ties an organization
hinder his ability to do his current job effectively.
> Dimitri
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Kobe can make a big center (Gasol) more powerful on the court. West knows
this. Its not the size of the city that counts, because Kobe will bring the
bright lights to any city.

If Kobe goes anywhere, it will be with a young team and a place he will be
the star. Memphis is young and he would certainly be the biggest star in
memphis. The only advantage West has is his and Kobe's mutual admiration for
one another. Jerry would work to temper the press and help Kobe become the
superstar he is and then Memphis will be america's basketball team (with a
world flavor) Nothing personal to the lakers, but if it is not Memphis Kobe
will go somewhere else..

"Eric Opperman" <ericopp RemoveThis @midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "D. Gerasimatos" wrote:
> >
> > I don't think Jerry would do that to the Lakers. He's said that he still
> > has a lot of love for the Lakers and I don't think he'd screw them like
> > that. He might be clearing cap space, but I don't think it's for Kobe.
>
> If he's worried about screwing another team by pursuing a free agent, I
> don't want him in charge. That said, there's no way he *IS* worried
> about that, and I'm happy with what he's done so far here.
>
> --
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Eric Opperman
> "Daddy, tell the guys to keep their eyes on the ball. They're missing
> the ball too much." -- Former Giants bat boy Darren Baker, son of Cubs
> manager Dusty Baker
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In article <fe4ef4b6.0307030720.3b1c336a RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
Albert <ambchang RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>dim@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<bdvo9q$1790$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>> In article <fe4ef4b6.0307020853.33fd18b RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
>> Albert <ambchang RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >dim@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<bdqhpj$sr4$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>> >
>> >> There's a difference between signing someone who is going to leave anyway
>> >> and actively recruiting a prized employee away from a former employer.
>> >
>> >Such as what happened to Shaq? But of course, we know that it is
>> >perfectly ok to do it against a 2 bit operation like the Magic, while
>> >it's totally unacceptable against a class organization like the
>> >Lakers.
>>
>>
>> The Orlando Magic was not a former employer of Jerry West and he had no
>> ties to that team.
>>
>
> What difference does that make?


Well, it makes a lot of difference when I said "actively recruiting a
prized employee away from a former employer" and you gave Shaq as an
example.


>Just because Jerry West was a Lakers icon (and NBA icon) for the last 25 years
>forbids him to pry players away from the Lakers? That's very unprofessional
>if Jerry West actually does let his previous personal ties an organization
>hinder his ability to do his current job effectively.


Actually, I think it is quite professional. Jerry himself said that the
best place for Kobe is the Lakers. The guy is a class act.


Dimitri
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:50:31 +0000 (UTC),
dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote:

>In article <f74ed76b.0306301117.72d29c71 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>,
>teddd <t9t9t9t9 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. Jerry West is
>>committed to helping the Grizzlies win championships, not the Lakers.
>
>
>Jerry West is and will always be a Laker. He will not screw the Lakers in
>order to help Memphis get ahead. He will sign Kobe if Kobe wants to go,
>but it would be stupid to think that Jerry would go out of his way to
>screw the Lakers. He's got more integrity than that.

If Jerry West could get Kobe to play for the Grizz he would do
it in a heartbeat.

George Shouse http://www.shouses.com
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Albert wrote:
>
> dim DeleteThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<bdqhpj$sr4$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>
> > There's a difference between signing someone who is going to leave anyway
> > and actively recruiting a prized employee away from a former employer.
>
> Such as what happened to Shaq?

Huh? What former Orlando GM lured Shaq to LA? This "comparison" makes no
sense whatsoever.

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Fred Deaton wrote:
>
> Kobe can make a big center (Gasol) more powerful on the court. West knows
> this. Its not the size of the city that counts, because Kobe will bring the
> bright lights to any city.
>
> If Kobe goes anywhere, it will be with a young team and a place he will be
> the star.

Agree with this.

> Memphis is young and he would certainly be the biggest star in
> memphis. The only advantage West has is his and Kobe's mutual admiration for
> one another. Jerry would work to temper the press and help Kobe become the
> superstar he is and then Memphis will be america's basketball team (with a
> world flavor) Nothing personal to the lakers, but if it is not Memphis Kobe
> will go somewhere else..

I figure that Memphis is the only place that he even conceivably might go
(10% chance tops), and if that were to happen it would become pretty likely
that Garnett took his spot in LA. A nice consolation prize, but for
continuity and history purposes I would hate to see it happen.

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Granted, the events of the last 24 hours cast doubt on whether Kobe will be
playing anywhere anytime soon.

"George Shouse" <usenet.RemoveThis@shouses.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:50:31 +0000 (UTC),
> dim.RemoveThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote:
>
> >In article <f74ed76b.0306301117.72d29c71.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>,
> >teddd <t9t9t9t9.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>This is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. Jerry West is
> >>committed to helping the Grizzlies win championships, not the Lakers.
> >
> >
> >Jerry West is and will always be a Laker. He will not screw the Lakers in
> >order to help Memphis get ahead. He will sign Kobe if Kobe wants to go,
> >but it would be stupid to think that Jerry would go out of his way to
> >screw the Lakers. He's got more integrity than that.
>
> If Jerry West could get Kobe to play for the Grizz he would do
> it in a heartbeat.
>
> George Shouse http://www.shouses.com
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Always a fan of the Los Angeles Lakers
> Rest In Peace, Francis Dayle "Chick" Hearn
> Nov. 27, 1916 - Aug 5, 2002
> ASBNLL FAQs at http://www.asbnll.com/
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In article <fe4ef4b6.0307040559.28f9ac79.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>,
Albert <ambchang.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>dim@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (D. Gerasimatos) wrote in message news:<be1ij1$2bqs$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>>
>> Well, it makes a lot of difference when I said "actively recruiting a
>> prized employee away from a former employer" and you gave Shaq as an
>> example.
>>
>
> There is no difference between former employer or not. There never
>should be.


There's a lot of difference. Many companies make very clear distinctions
betwene former employees and not, even to the detail that they specify
a period of time in which they can do business with a former employee
and such. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers made West sign an
agreement that said he would not recruit former Lakers for 1 year (or 3
years). This is very common. I know someone who teaches and she had to
sign an agreement that she would not recruit any former students for a 1
year period after separation.



> I have no problem saying that Jerry West is a class act, because he
>is. And I also agree that the best place for Kobe is the Lakers, but
>that won't stop anybody else from recruiting Kobe. Looking out for
>the best interest of your current employer does not exclude you from
>being a class act. However, unable to seperate personal ties from
>business is unprofessional, and Jerry West is a consummate
>professional.


It's not about personal ties only. It's about former business ties. You
have obviously never had any ethics training.


Dimitri
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