Kidd says Nets are about winning

"Dave McNulla" <mcnulla DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dec 8 2004
> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1...
>
> Jason Kidd still prefers a trade to staying with the New Jersey Nets,
> but if
> the Nets trade him to Portland, the All-Star guard will not report to
> the
> Trail Blazers, a source close to Kidd told ESPN.com on Wednesday.
>
> Although such a move would almost certainly result in a suspension
> without
> pay, the source indicated Kidd is hoping his stand will discourage the
> Nets
> from trading the 31-year-old somewhere he doesn't want to go. Kidd's
> wish
> list includes the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Denver Nuggets, the
> Dallas
> Mavericks, the San Antonio Spurs and the Los Angeles Lakers -- all
> destinations he prefers to Portland either because of each team's
> championship potential or geography ... or both.
>

I guess 'last winter is last winter" as well with Kidd.
Also nice that Kidd "thinks" the Nets brass are all about winning - he's not
positive, but he thinks they are...
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you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd? this
is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
on rec.sport.basketball.pro.

Luc Longley won 3 championships as a role player... does that mean that
the Bulls shouldn't have traded him for big Pat Ewing if they had the
chance? this is equivalent to your statement. you probably think Bob
Horry with his 7.5 point/4 rebound career average is invaluable also.

and who cares about character? i pay to watch basketball, not babysit
the players. i'd advise you to mind your own business.
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On 7 Jul 2005 07:21:33 -0700, "Dave McNulla" <mcnulla.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Dec 8 2004
>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1...
>
>Jason Kidd still prefers a trade to staying with the New Jersey Nets,
>but if
>the Nets trade him to Portland, the All-Star guard will not report to
>the
>Trail Blazers, a source close to Kidd told ESPN.com on Wednesday.
>
>Although such a move would almost certainly result in a suspension
>without
>pay, the source indicated Kidd is hoping his stand will discourage the
>Nets
>from trading the 31-year-old somewhere he doesn't want to go. Kidd's
>wish
>list includes the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Denver Nuggets, the
>Dallas
>Mavericks, the San Antonio Spurs and the Los Angeles Lakers -- all
>destinations he prefers to Portland either because of each team's
>championship potential or geography ... or both.

Kidd can go to hell. He had his chance, but chose to hide in the
East.Now he is constantly whining and threatening, even though he has
little leverage.

Great passer, but a flawed player, both in his jump shot and in his
character. very pleased that the Spurs did not pull the trigger on a
Kidd/Parker trade.
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Marcus Kwan wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:05:00 -0500, "Lee Watkins"
> <spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins.RemoveThis@falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >"bill_mill" <bill_mill.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1120771406.440523.163620@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd?
> >
> >
> >weird, i didnt read that. im thinking more along the lines of "i'm glad we
> >have bowen, manu, and parker instead of kidd"
> >its not just about who you did or didnt get, its about who you could or
> >couldnt keep.
> >
>
> Actually, while I agree with your take as well, I did mean that the
> Spurs have Parker instead of Kidd. Kidd is a flawed player, not a
> good or fluid jump shooter. But most importantly, he lacks character.
> how many times has he been at the epicenter of a team collapsing? How
> many times has he threatened to demand a trade?
>
> After watching Dallas collapse around him, I am pretty convinced that
> no matter how talented he is, he does not have the heart or head of a
> winner.


do you mean the same Jason Kidd who carried the Nets to the Finals, and
carried the Nets to the playoffs this season? i'm sure many teams
would welcome that kind of lack of character.

you are confusing team success with individual success. Parker, while
a good PG, is nowhere near Jason Kidd in terms of ability or
experience. you can dream all you want about Parker carrying the
Spurs, but that's not what happened. I suppose you would have rather
had Avery Johnson than Kidd back a couple of years ago also?


>
> >
> >> this
> >> is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
> >> on rec.sport.basketball.pro.
> >
> >^ irony

He clarified his statement above. He clearly meant that Parker is
better than Kidd. find a shred of intelligence in that analysis.


> >
> >>
> >> Luc Longley won 3 championships as a role player... does that mean that
> >> the Bulls shouldn't have traded him for big Pat Ewing if they had the
> >> chance?
>
>
>
> >
> >how close were the salaries? i think pat would do OK in the triangle.
> >
> >
> >>this is equivalent to your statement. you probably think Bob
> >> Horry with his 7.5 point/4 rebound career average is invaluable also.
> >
> >lol do you know anythign about basketball?
> >

i know Bob Horry rarely even starts for his own team. how many regular
season starts did he have this past season? 20? that would be a high
number for him. all you Horry-jockers better figure out that without
being carried into the playoffs every year "Big Shot" Bob doesn't
exist. what exactly is your rebuttal?

> >
> >>
> >> and who cares about character?
> >
> >hhmm.....well the team that won it all 2 out of th e last 3 years, for
> >starters
> >

they won because of their "character"? ridiculous.

> >
> >>i pay to watch basketball, not babysit
> >> the players. i'd advise you to mind your own business.
> >>
> >
> >fair enough.
> >
> >lee
> >
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"bill_mill" <bill_mill.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd?


weird, i didnt read that. im thinking more along the lines of "i'm glad we
have bowen, manu, and parker instead of kidd"
its not just about who you did or didnt get, its about who you could or
couldnt keep.


> this
> is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
> on rec.sport.basketball.pro.

^ irony

>
> Luc Longley won 3 championships as a role player... does that mean that
> the Bulls shouldn't have traded him for big Pat Ewing if they had the
> chance?

how close were the salaries? i think pat would do OK in the triangle.


>this is equivalent to your statement. you probably think Bob
> Horry with his 7.5 point/4 rebound career average is invaluable also.

lol do you know anythign about basketball?


>
> and who cares about character?

hhmm.....well the team that won it all 2 out of th e last 3 years, for
starters


>i pay to watch basketball, not babysit
> the players. i'd advise you to mind your own business.
>

fair enough.

lee
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humbubba DeleteThis @smart.net
>On 7 Jul 2005 07:21:33 -0700, "Dave McNulla" <mcnulla DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Dec 8 2004
>>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1...
>>
>>Jason Kidd still prefers a trade to staying with the New Jersey Nets,
>>but if
>>the Nets trade him to Portland, the All-Star guard will not report to
>>the
>>Trail Blazers, a source close to Kidd told ESPN.com on Wednesday.
>>
>>Although such a move would almost certainly result in a suspension
>>without
>>pay, the source indicated Kidd is hoping his stand will discourage the
>>Nets
>>from trading the 31-year-old somewhere he doesn't want to go. Kidd's
>>wish
>>list includes the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Denver Nuggets, the
>>Dallas
>>Mavericks, the San Antonio Spurs and the Los Angeles Lakers -- all
>>destinations he prefers to Portland either because of each team's
>>championship potential or geography ... or both.
>
>Kidd can go to hell. He had his chance, but chose to hide in the
>East.Now he is constantly whining and threatening, even though he has
>little leverage.
>
>Great passer, but a flawed player, both in his jump shot and in his
>character. very pleased that the Spurs did not pull the trigger on a
>Kidd/Parker trade.

Didn't Kidd hit like 40% from the arc last season?
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:21:16 -0000, r@cLIeNUX. (cLIeNUX user) wrote:

>humbubba@smart.net
>>On 7 Jul 2005 07:21:33 -0700, "Dave McNulla" <mcnulla.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Dec 8 2004
>>>http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1...
>>>
>>>Jason Kidd still prefers a trade to staying with the New Jersey Nets,
>>>but if
>>>the Nets trade him to Portland, the All-Star guard will not report to
>>>the
>>>Trail Blazers, a source close to Kidd told ESPN.com on Wednesday.
>>>
>>>Although such a move would almost certainly result in a suspension
>>>without
>>>pay, the source indicated Kidd is hoping his stand will discourage the
>>>Nets
>>>from trading the 31-year-old somewhere he doesn't want to go. Kidd's
>>>wish
>>>list includes the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Denver Nuggets, the
>>>Dallas
>>>Mavericks, the San Antonio Spurs and the Los Angeles Lakers -- all
>>>destinations he prefers to Portland either because of each team's
>>>championship potential or geography ... or both.
>>
>>Kidd can go to hell. He had his chance, but chose to hide in the
>>East.Now he is constantly whining and threatening, even though he has
>>little leverage.
>>
>>Great passer, but a flawed player, both in his jump shot and in his
>>character. very pleased that the Spurs did not pull the trigger on a
>>Kidd/Parker trade.
>
>Didn't Kidd hit like 40% from the arc last season?

36%, which is not a bad percentage. His stroke lacks any fluidity,
though. I don't consider him a threat, ala Mike Bibby, to kill you on
the screen roll by pulling up for a jumper.
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:05:00 -0500, "Lee Watkins"
<spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins.DeleteThis@falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote:

>
>"bill_mill" <bill_mill.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1120771406.440523.163620@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd?
>
>
>weird, i didnt read that. im thinking more along the lines of "i'm glad we
>have bowen, manu, and parker instead of kidd"
>its not just about who you did or didnt get, its about who you could or
>couldnt keep.
>

Actually, while I agree with your take as well, I did mean that the
Spurs have Parker instead of Kidd. Kidd is a flawed player, not a
good or fluid jump shooter. But most importantly, he lacks character.
how many times has he been at the epicenter of a team collapsing? How
many times has he threatened to demand a trade?

After watching Dallas collapse around him, I am pretty convinced that
no matter how talented he is, he does not have the heart or head of a
winner.

>
>> this
>> is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
>> on rec.sport.basketball.pro.
>
>^ irony
>
>>
>> Luc Longley won 3 championships as a role player... does that mean that
>> the Bulls shouldn't have traded him for big Pat Ewing if they had the
>> chance?



>
>how close were the salaries? i think pat would do OK in the triangle.
>
>
>>this is equivalent to your statement. you probably think Bob
>> Horry with his 7.5 point/4 rebound career average is invaluable also.
>
>lol do you know anythign about basketball?
>
>
>>
>> and who cares about character?
>
>hhmm.....well the team that won it all 2 out of th e last 3 years, for
>starters
>
>
>>i pay to watch basketball, not babysit
>> the players. i'd advise you to mind your own business.
>>
>
>fair enough.
>
>lee
>
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On 7 Jul 2005 14:23:26 -0700, "bill_mill" <bill_mill DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd? this
>is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
>on rec.sport.basketball.pro.

Parker has won how many championshipos as a starter, and Kidd has how
many? Kidd had arguably comparable talent in Van Horn, Kittles,
Jefferson, and Kenyon, but never took them to the title.

>
>Luc Longley won 3 championships as a role player... does that mean that
>the Bulls shouldn't have traded him for big Pat Ewing if they had the
>chance? this is equivalent to your statement. you probably think Bob
>Horry with his 7.5 point/4 rebound career average is invaluable also.

As a role player, Horry has proven his worth time and again. Would I
upgrade him for a better player, sure. But he has definitely proven
that he is a good teammate and plays well under pressure.


>
>and who cares about character? i pay to watch basketball, not babysit
>the players. i'd advise you to mind your own business.

huh?

Oh, I guess you think I'm talking about the domestic violence issue
with Kidd. No, I was actually talking about his lockerroom presence.
Having watched him, Jimmy Jackson, and Mashburn completely destroy the
team here in Dallas, than watching him create issues whereever he goes
(how many times has he threatened to demand a trade in NJ), I am
pretty convinced that he is not a winner and has no heart. The wife
smacking wasn't even a consideration for me.
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humbubba RemoveThis @smart.net
>On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:05:00 -0500, "Lee Watkins"
><spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins RemoveThis @falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>"bill_mill" <bill_mill RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1120771406.440523.163620@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd?
>>
>>
>>weird, i didnt read that. im thinking more along the lines of "i'm glad we
>>have bowen, manu, and parker instead of kidd"
>>its not just about who you did or didnt get, its about who you could or
>>couldnt keep.
>>
>
>Actually, while I agree with your take as well, I did mean that the
>Spurs have Parker instead of Kidd. Kidd is a flawed player, not a
>good or fluid jump shooter. But most importantly, he lacks character.
>how many times has he been at the epicenter of a team collapsing? How
>many times has he threatened to demand a trade?
>
>After watching Dallas collapse around him, I am pretty convinced that
>no matter how talented he is, he does not have the heart or head of a
>winner.

That's unfair. He went to the Finals twice with a mediocre team. He's a
truly great floor leader, and a truly great all-around player.


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"bill_mill" <bill_mill.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>

>
>
> do you mean the same Jason Kidd who carried the Nets to the Finals,

back when the east truly was the leastern conference?

> and
> carried the Nets to the playoffs this season?

what was carters scoring average down the stretch?

>i'm sure many teams
> would welcome that kind of lack of character.
>
> you are confusing team success with individual success.

isnt the point to put the best team on the floor?


>Parker, while
> a good PG, is nowhere near Jason Kidd in terms of ability or
> experience. you can dream all you want about Parker carrying the
> Spurs,

nope, noone ever said, thought, or expected this.

>but that's not what happened. I suppose you would have rather
> had Avery Johnson than Kidd back a couple of years ago also?

eh, i dunno about that. the team won with AJ. we KNOW that happened.
anything with jkidd is speculation. and again, he would have wanted max
money a few years ago, which would have kept us from putting the pieces
together that won 2 of 3. again, anythign with kidd is speculation, but the
fact is this team won it all without him.

yeah, i'll take that.
>
>>
>> >
>> >> this
>> >> is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
>> >> on rec.sport.basketball.pro.
>> >
>> >^ irony
>
> He clarified his statement above. He clearly meant that Parker is
> better than Kidd. find a shred of intelligence in that analysis.
>
yep, thats what i get for speaking for soemone else.

>
> i know Bob Horry rarely even starts for his own team. how many regular
> season starts did he have this past season? 20? that would be a high
> number for him. all you Horry-jockers


im actually on record as not being able to stand the guy.
but to say he doesnt have a big impact in games is truly ignorant.

better figure out that without
> being carried into the playoffs every year "Big Shot" Bob doesn't
> exist. what exactly is your rebuttal?


so you dont think a flurry of big plays late in a big game can swing
momenteum? you dont think a team that plays great defense for 22 seconds
only to give up a 3 in a close game can deflate them?
again, do you know anything about the sport?
if what he does is so common and so unimportant, how come there arent dozens
of guys with the same reputation?


>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> and who cares about character?
>> >
>> >hhmm.....well the team that won it all 2 out of th e last 3 years, for
>> >starters
>> >
>
> they won because of their "character"? ridiculous.

not soley because of it, no. but if you think its not part of the equation,
you are sorely mistaken.

lee
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Back in the day
they said I was a passing fancy
said my passes were too fancy
but I don't hear that any more

for people's minds change
as I steady hit forwards
sprinting through the lane
consistantly
tossing passes
to wide open arms

converting my dimes
to two points and victories
ain't it funny how my change
can change minds
I drop dimes

JKIDD

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You have to watch him every game and he clearly is a winning player.


"Marcus Kwan" <mnospamkwan1 DeleteThis @gte.net> wrote in message
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> On 7 Jul 2005 14:23:26 -0700, "bill_mill" <bill_mill DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >you're pleased that the Spurs have Frenchie rather than the Kidd? this
> >is one of the stupidest statements i have read in my years of lurking
> >on rec.sport.basketball.pro.
>
> Parker has won how many championshipos as a starter, and Kidd has how
> many? Kidd had arguably comparable talent in Van Horn, Kittles,
> Jefferson, and Kenyon, but never took them to the title.
>
> >
> >Luc Longley won 3 championships as a role player... does that mean that
> >the Bulls shouldn't have traded him for big Pat Ewing if they had the
> >chance? this is equivalent to your statement. you probably think Bob
> >Horry with his 7.5 point/4 rebound career average is invaluable also.
>
> As a role player, Horry has proven his worth time and again. Would I
> upgrade him for a better player, sure. But he has definitely proven
> that he is a good teammate and plays well under pressure.
>
>
> >
> >and who cares about character? i pay to watch basketball, not babysit
> >the players. i'd advise you to mind your own business.
>
> huh?
>
> Oh, I guess you think I'm talking about the domestic violence issue
> with Kidd. No, I was actually talking about his lockerroom presence.
> Having watched him, Jimmy Jackson, and Mashburn completely destroy the
> team here in Dallas, than watching him create issues whereever he goes
> (how many times has he threatened to demand a trade in NJ), I am
> pretty convinced that he is not a winner and has no heart. The wife
> smacking wasn't even a consideration for me.
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