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PeterL

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:29 am
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"DaveL" <dave1027 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Sports Fan" <sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote in message
> news:pb2uf0p2qai7s564a4olb1e3v9v4mvbql7@4ax.com...
> >
> > Exactly.
> > Most of the hardcore Kings fans are.
> > They booed Webber until he started thinking about being traded.
> > And they will do the same for anyone who plays for them.
> >
> > What a classless fan base that the team retired a jersey in their
> > "honor", really.
> >
> >
>
>
> They were not booing Webber, they were booing Adelman.
>

They booed John Barry, they booed Webber, these "best fans in the NBA" will
boo their grandmothers if they miss a FT. Now they are booing the Maloofs
for wanting a new arena.

> DaveL
>

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:16 pm
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>"DaveL" <dave1027 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Nexus" <nexus RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:h1PLc.71$Fj.47428@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > >"DaveL" <dave1027 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:l92dnTJtR9tSyGLdRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> > > "Sports Fan" <sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote in message
> > > news:pb2uf0p2qai7s564a4olb1e3v9v4mvbql7@4ax.com...
> > > >
> > > > Exactly.
> > > > Most of the hardcore Kings fans are.
> > > > They booed Webber until he started thinking about being traded.
> > > > And they will do the same for anyone who plays for them.
> > > >
> > > > What a classless fan base that the team retired a jersey in their
> > > > "honor", really.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They were not booing Webber, they were booing Adelman.
> > >
> > > DaveL
> > >
> >
> > No they were booing Webber and it was all over the media.
> >
> >
>
> The media had it wrong too. I know, I was there.
>
> DaveL
>

So everyone had it wrong but you. The media had it wrong, Webber who wanted
to be traded had it wrong, the other fans that commented on it had it
wrong...yeah ok.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:27 pm
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In article <hg2uf0pnrp8pve9h6d196ma66gg1un7lq9.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Sports Fan
<sports.RemoveThis@fan.home> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:38:46 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >levi wrote:
> >
> >> In article <bretf0hdu58oal5jreos5f0e0pd3vh9s5e.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, agakhan
> >> <agakhan.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:43:57 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >Pretty bizarre. What the heck were the Queens thinking?
> >>>
> >>> i suspect it had more to do with a power struggle of sorts between
> >>> vlade and webber and not really the money.
> >>
> >>
> >> You poor `ol Laker fans - Kupchak got bamboozled yet again.
> >>
> >> IMO, the Kings unloaded their baggage, got an effective upgrade on the
> >> cheap,
> >> and don't even mind letting Vlade go to a team in their Division.
> >
> >Any moron who thinks Osterfag is an upgrade over Vlade
> >is....well....a moron.
>
> LOL.
> True.

Perhaps you cupcakes have looked at the stat sheets from last year....

Player A Player B (Note: Jazz average 6 less possesions / gm)
MPG 27.6 28.6
PPG 6.8 6.6
RPG 7.4 5.7
BPG 1.8 0.9
SPG 0.4 0.7
TOPG 1.3 2.1

Quick, tell us who's who - no peeking.

And do you go for the aging chain smoker whose stats are fading, or
the younger, bigger guy whose stats are trending up - and may have
something to prove?

Continuing to earn the "Fakers" name, ya gotta go with the Flopper, eh?
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:27 pm
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"levi" <leviDESPAM.TakeThisOut@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
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> In article <hg2uf0pnrp8pve9h6d196ma66gg1un7lq9.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Sports Fan
> <sports.TakeThisOut@fan.home> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:38:46 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >levi wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <bretf0hdu58oal5jreos5f0e0pd3vh9s5e.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, agakhan
> > >> <agakhan.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:43:57 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net>
wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Pretty bizarre. What the heck were the Queens thinking?
> > >>>
> > >>> i suspect it had more to do with a power struggle of sorts between
> > >>> vlade and webber and not really the money.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> You poor `ol Laker fans - Kupchak got bamboozled yet again.
> > >>
> > >> IMO, the Kings unloaded their baggage, got an effective upgrade on
the
> > >> cheap,
> > >> and don't even mind letting Vlade go to a team in their Division.
> > >
> > >Any moron who thinks Osterfag is an upgrade over Vlade
> > >is....well....a moron.
> >
> > LOL.
> > True.
>
> Perhaps you cupcakes have looked at the stat sheets from last year....
>
> Player A Player B (Note: Jazz average 6 less possesions / gm)
> MPG 27.6 28.6
> PPG 6.8 6.6
> RPG 7.4 5.7
> BPG 1.8 0.9
> SPG 0.4 0.7
> TOPG 1.3 2.1
>
> Quick, tell us who's who - no peeking.
>
> And do you go for the aging chain smoker whose stats are fading, or
> the younger, bigger guy whose stats are trending up -

Ostertag's stats are not "trending up".

>and may have
> something to prove?
>
> Continuing to earn the "Fakers" name, ya gotta go with the Flopper, eh?
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:43 pm
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:51:16 -0700, "DaveL" <dave1027.RemoveThis@comcast.net>
wrote:

>"Sports Fan" <sports.RemoveThis@fan.home> wrote in message
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>>
>> Exactly.
>> Most of the hardcore Kings fans are.
>> They booed Webber until he started thinking about being traded.
>> And they will do the same for anyone who plays for them.
>>
>> What a classless fan base that the team retired a jersey in their
>> "honor", really.
>>
>>
>
>
>They were not booing Webber, they were booing Adelman.
>


Maybe this article can help.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/8672837p-9600679c.html



Boobirds sending Webber to brink
Those close to the Kings forward say he might ask for a trade if fans
don't stop jeering him at games.
By Scott Howard-Cooper -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Sunday, March 28, 2004

Chris Webber, while publicly downplaying the impact of being booed by
Kings fans, is privately so hurt by the response, it could push the
power forward to ask for a trade after the season if the negative
reactions continue.
Webber will not comment on the potential implications of the harsh
treatment he received twice in the six home games since he returned from
a serious knee injury and an NBA package suspension, saying he wants to
avoid distractions and stay focused on the final push of the regular
season, then the playoffs. It's known, however, that the team co-captain
and five-time All-Star is bothered more than he's letting on, to the
point of uncertainty about his future in Sacramento.

Webber has already hinted that the early feedback is also creating a
chasm on his side, telling a group of reporters after the latest
incident that "it definitely changes my focus, my outlook." It was left
at that.

Pressed later, Webber wouldn't expand on his comment. He did
acknowledge, when asked about the responses to his occasional early
struggles, that "I'm very disappointed. And I'm shocked."

Because he feels betrayed by the same fans that once strongly backed
him?

"I feel more disappointed," Webber said. "It actually hurts. It's more
than betrayed."

It's also deeper. People close to Webber said he has already vented to
some friends and family members, complete with the bottom line that he
has no desire to play the rest of his career against the backdrop of an
ever-shifting love-hate Arco Arena association. That would become too
draining and a great distraction.

So far, there have been no conversations with management about Webber's
future, sources have confirmed, and it wouldn't matter anyway. The trade
deadline passed Feb. 19.

But people close to Webber caution he could be pushed away, or at least
moved to ask for a trade, if the relationship with fans remains in the
same state of tension that has developed this month. The option is
prominent enough, insiders note, that Webber has already considered
addressing the issue with Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof or president
of basketball operations Geoff Petrie in the summer.

What happens from there is impossible to gauge, it being months away
from happening and maybe not at all, and even then depending on how the
playoffs finish and the health of Webber's left knee. Also, the biggest
unknown is what will happen the rest of the season between Webber and
the same fans who once serenaded him at a home game to rejoin the Kings
as a free agent and then packed a downtown plaza to celebrate with him
when he did sign.

Straining the union are the expectations of a contract worth $122.7
million over seven seasons, a series of Webber injuries and playoff
letdowns, and the league's eight-game suspension in February for
violating the anti-drug policy and pleading guilty to one count of
criminal contempt of court. When Webber finally returned to action March
2, after missing the first 58 games, it was to overwhelming cheers at
Arco, and he responded with three impressive outings.

The next home game, March 9, Webber missed 19 of 21 shots and was booed.
He entered the March 21 Houston game averaging 18.7 points, nine
rebounds and 4.5 assists, solid numbers for anyone and very encouraging
for a player coming off a serious knee injury. But that night, he was
booed again while making just 4 of 18 attempts.

Webber could have handled a negative response in the first game, if fans
had voiced their displeasure at his off-court decisions that led to the
suspension. It never came.

He could have dealt with the pressure and expectations - he has done
that since high school and even stared down one legendary mistake, when
Webber called a timeout Michigan didn't have in the NCAA championship
game, by naming his charitable group the Timeout foundation.

What hit Webber was fans turning on him so quickly while coming back
from a major injury, not to mention while playing well on the whole. In
the three appearances before the March 9 debacle against Golden State,
he had averaged 24 points and nine rebounds and shot 50.9 percent. Two
days before facing the Rockets, he contributed 24 points, 16 rebounds
and eight assists as the Kings beat the Eastern Conference-leading
Indiana Pacers on the road.

In all, Webber is at 18.1 points, 9.2 rebounds and 4.7 assists per game
while down to 41.3 percent shooting from the field. That accuracy rating
is the only statistic taking a major hit during Webber's search to
regain his timing, but he's also taking the same shots that had resulted
in his being named All-NBA (first-, second-or third-team) five straight
times. His defense is a much bigger problem, with Webber clearly not
fluid moving on the left leg, but opponents were running layup lines on
the Kings long before he returned.

The specter of his uncertain future comes, curiously, at the very time
Webber has never felt more part of Sacramento. He's planning an addition
to his Granite Bay home, feels a special bond with a close locker room,
and is considering switching his official residence from Michigan, his
home state, to California. He even talks about living here, at least
part time, after retiring, from whatever team with which he finishes his
career.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:45 pm
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:27:00 -0500, leviDESPAM DeleteThis @visiDESPAM.com (levi)
wrote:

>Continuing to earn the "Fakers" name, ya gotta go with the Flopper, eh?

Now that's a smart argument, really.
What a moron you are.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:57 pm
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I can't wait to see Shaq and Kobe go at it against each other. Franky I hope
they kill each other.

NC
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:23 pm
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>"levi" <leviDESPAM DeleteThis @visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
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> In article <hg2uf0pnrp8pve9h6d196ma66gg1un7lq9 DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Sports Fan
> <sports DeleteThis @fan.home> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:38:46 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >levi wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <bretf0hdu58oal5jreos5f0e0pd3vh9s5e DeleteThis @4ax.com>, agakhan
> > >> <agakhan DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:43:57 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net>
wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Pretty bizarre. What the heck were the Queens thinking?
> > >>>
> > >>> i suspect it had more to do with a power struggle of sorts between
> > >>> vlade and webber and not really the money.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> You poor `ol Laker fans - Kupchak got bamboozled yet again.
> > >>
> > >> IMO, the Kings unloaded their baggage, got an effective upgrade on
the
> > >> cheap,
> > >> and don't even mind letting Vlade go to a team in their Division.
> > >
> > >Any moron who thinks Osterfag is an upgrade over Vlade
> > >is....well....a moron.
> >
> > LOL.
> > True.
>
> Perhaps you cupcakes have looked at the stat sheets from last year....
>
> Player A Player B (Note: Jazz average 6 less possesions / gm)
> MPG 27.6 28.6
> PPG 6.8 6.6
> RPG 7.4 5.7
> BPG 1.8 0.9
> SPG 0.4 0.7
> TOPG 1.3 2.1
>

Try posting the correct stats next time. And you might want to include
assists unless it doesn't support your argument of course...

Vlade Divac
APG: 5.3 PPG: 9.9
Greg Ostertag
APG: 1.6 PPG: 6.8

> Quick, tell us who's who - no peeking.
>
> And do you go for the aging chain smoker whose stats are fading, or
> the younger, bigger guy whose stats are trending up - and may have
> something to prove?
>
> Continuing to earn the "Fakers" name, ya gotta go with the Flopper, eh?
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:45 pm
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"Nic Caciappo" <nicbeat DeleteThis @mlode.com> wrote in message
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> I can't wait to see Shaq and Kobe go at it against each other. Franky I
hope
> they kill each other.
>

Kid goes in front of Judge in a divorce court. Judge: Do you want to live
with your mom? Kid: No she beats me. Judge: How about your dad? Kid:
He beats me too. Judge: So who then? Kid: How about the Kings? They
don't beat anyone.

> NC
>
>
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:54 pm
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In article <nJSLc.1482$Fj.113341@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Nexus"
<nexus.TakeThisOut@attglobal.net> wrote:

> >"levi" <leviDESPAM.TakeThisOut@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:leviDESPAM-2207041227310001@10.0.0.2...
> > In article <hg2uf0pnrp8pve9h6d196ma66gg1un7lq9.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Sports Fan
> > <sports.TakeThisOut@fan.home> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:38:46 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >levi wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> In article <bretf0hdu58oal5jreos5f0e0pd3vh9s5e.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, agakhan
> > > >> <agakhan.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:43:57 GMT, Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net>
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >Pretty bizarre. What the heck were the Queens thinking?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> i suspect it had more to do with a power struggle of sorts between
> > > >>> vlade and webber and not really the money.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> You poor `ol Laker fans - Kupchak got bamboozled yet again.
> > > >>
> > > >> IMO, the Kings unloaded their baggage, got an effective upgrade on
> the
> > > >> cheap,
> > > >> and don't even mind letting Vlade go to a team in their Division.
> > > >
> > > >Any moron who thinks Osterfag is an upgrade over Vlade
> > > >is....well....a moron.
> > >
> > > LOL.
> > > True.
> >
> > Perhaps you cupcakes have looked at the stat sheets from last year....
> >
> > Player A Player B (Note: Jazz average 6 less possesions / gm)
> > MPG 27.6 28.6
> > PPG 6.8 6.6
> > RPG 7.4 5.7
> > BPG 1.8 0.9
> > SPG 0.4 0.7
> > TOPG 1.3 2.1
> >
>
> Try posting the correct stats next time. And you might want to include
> assists unless it doesn't support your argument of course...
>
> Vlade Divac
> APG: 5.3 PPG: 9.9
> Greg Ostertag
> APG: 1.6 PPG: 6.8

My bad, I posted Vlade's *playoff* PPG - by mistake.

I left APG out on purpose (duh), the point being that there's not much to
differentiate otherwise.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:24 pm
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PDX Blazers wrote:

> "Nexus" <nexus RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<iewLc.22640$Vw3.1369619@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>
>>Can anyone shed some light on why Sacramento would let Vlade walk and not
>>offer him more that 2.5 million and then hire Ostertag for 4 million...
>
>
> Ostertag brings the Kings the one ingredient they have been missing -
> NBA Finals experience.

Vlade was in the Finals as a Laker in 1991. D'oh!
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:02 pm
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levi wrote:

> Perhaps you cupcakes have looked at the stat sheets from last year....
>
> Player A Player B (Note: Jazz average 6 less possesions / gm)
> MPG 27.6 28.6
> PPG 6.8 6.6
> RPG 7.4 5.7
> BPG 1.8 0.9
> SPG 0.4 0.7
> TOPG 1.3 2.1

Assists: 1.6 5.3

BTW until last season Osterfag had never averaged more than
0.7 APG.

Moron.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:02 pm
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In article <2jTLc.155$ZE6.36@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>, Chainsaw
<i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:

> levi wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you cupcakes have looked at the stat sheets from last year....
> >
> > Player A Player B (Note: Jazz average 6 less possesions / gm)
> > MPG 27.6 28.6
> > PPG 6.8 6.6
> > RPG 7.4 5.7
> > BPG 1.8 0.9
> > SPG 0.4 0.7
> > TOPG 1.3 2.1
>
> Assists: 1.6 5.3
>
> BTW until last season Osterfag had never averaged more than
> 0.7 APG.
>
> Moron.

Cupcake. Bought your season tix yet?
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:31 pm
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In article <o960g09cufcq19dbhdsa7o1c77dck1t1ic DeleteThis @4ax.com>, Sports Fan
<sports DeleteThis @fan.home> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:27:00 -0500, leviDESPAM DeleteThis @visiDESPAM.com (levi)
> wrote:
>
> >Continuing to earn the "Fakers" name, ya gotta go with the Flopper, eh?
>
> Now that's a smart argument, really.
> What a moron you are.

I'm sure that such argumentia will eventually convince us all of your
overwhelming mental and social development.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:06 pm
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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:31:29 -0500, leviDESPAM RemoveThis @visiDESPAM.com (levi)
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>In article <o960g09cufcq19dbhdsa7o1c77dck1t1ic RemoveThis @4ax.com>, Sports Fan
><sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote:
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>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:27:00 -0500, leviDESPAM RemoveThis @visiDESPAM.com (levi)
>> wrote:
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>> >Continuing to earn the "Fakers" name, ya gotta go with the Flopper, eh?
>>
>> Now that's a smart argument, really.
>> What a moron you are.
>
>I'm sure that such argumentia will eventually convince us all of your
>overwhelming mental and social development.

Said the moron who was calling us names.

Your mental and social development showed in that well too.
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