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(Msg. 61) Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:27 pm
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:25 am
Post subject: Re: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <2md8ujFksoj5U2.DeleteThis@uni-berlin.de>, "brink" <noemail.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "levi" <leviDESPAM.DeleteThis@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <2maferFkn99jU1.DeleteThis@uni-berlin.de>, "PeterL" <peterl.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > "levi" <leviDESPAM.DeleteThis@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > > news:leviDESPAM-2207041227310001@10.0.0.2...
> > ...
> > > >
> > > > And do you go for the aging chain smoker whose stats are fading, or
> > > > the younger, bigger guy whose stats are trending up -
> > >
> > > Ostertag's stats are not "trending up".
> >
> > Let's see, over the past three years...
> >
> > Box score stats trending up:
> > minutes per game
> > points
> > rebounds
> > assists
> > free throw percentage
> >
> > Derived formulaic numbers trending up:
> > Efficiency.
> > Approximate Value
> > Versatility Index
> >
> > http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=OSTERGR01
>
> and apparently he's an andrew lang clone... he's been his closest comp
> from age 24-30...
<grin> And Vlade's stats from age 24-30 were overshadowed by his closest comp,
the ever-memorable Herb Williams. To Vlade's credit, he did not suffer a
precipitous decline in later years, unlike Herb.
Of course, what matters is what will happen over the next couple of
seasons, right?
Last year,John Hollinger's 03/04 Prospectus decribed Vlade as "in the midst
of a slow, steady decline", "his ability to take advantage of matchups in the
post has declined precipitously", "he doesn't defend the screen-and-roll
nearly as well as he used to". Anybody disagree, especially after watching
this season? Just a few bamboozled cupcakes, apparently. There you go, the
Laker's starting center of the new post-Shaq dynasty. The crush at the
ticket window must be overwhelming.
For Ostertag, Hollinger wrote that "he can be one of the best rebounders
in the league", but he has "looked brilliant one night and then bumbling
the next". Ain't it the truth? But remind me, who defended Greg in the
02/03 playoffs when he posted 23 points and 18 rebounds against the Kings?
Perhaps surprising to some, Ostertag ranks 1st in rebounding his own missed
shot - as well as leading the list of players whose missed shot is rebounded
by his team. Vlade doesn't make the top 30 on either list.
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:46 am
Post subject: Re: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> > "levi" <leviDESPAM RemoveThis @visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:leviDESPAM-2307041332060001@10.0.0.2...
> > > In article <2maferFkn99jU1 RemoveThis @uni-berlin.de>, "PeterL"
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> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "levi" <leviDESPAM RemoveThis @visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:leviDESPAM-2207041227310001@10.0.0.2...
> > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > And do you go for the aging chain smoker whose stats are fading,
or
> > > > > the younger, bigger guy whose stats are trending up -
> > > >
> > > > Ostertag's stats are not "trending up".
> > >
> > > Let's see, over the past three years...
> > >
> > > Box score stats trending up:
> > > minutes per game
> > > points
> > > rebounds
> > > assists
> > > free throw percentage
> > >
> > > Derived formulaic numbers trending up:
> > > Efficiency.
> > > Approximate Value
> > > Versatility Index
> > >
> > >
http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=OSTERGR01
> >
> > and apparently he's an andrew lang clone... he's been his closest comp
> > from age 24-30...
>
> <grin> And Vlade's stats from age 24-30 were overshadowed by his closest
comp,
> the ever-memorable Herb Williams. To Vlade's credit, he did not suffer a
> precipitous decline in later years, unlike Herb.
herb williams wasn't a bad player (neither was andrew lang, for his place,
money, etc).
>
> Of course, what matters is what will happen over the next couple of
> seasons, right?
of course.
> Last year,John Hollinger's 03/04 Prospectus decribed Vlade as "in the
midst
> of a slow, steady decline", "his ability to take advantage of matchups in
the
> post has declined precipitously", "he doesn't defend the screen-and-roll
> nearly as well as he used to". Anybody disagree, especially after watching
> this season?
wow, a late 30s player in a slow, steady decline, stop the presses! you
mean as players pass the age of 32, they tend to get worse?
Just a few bamboozled cupcakes, apparently. There you go, the
> Laker's starting center of the new post-Shaq dynasty. The crush at the
> ticket window must be overwhelming.
he's a lot like karl in that he's not nearly as mobile, athletic, or
physically valuable as he was in his prime, but he comes relatively cheaply
and he plays a very smart game. he's not signed for some dumb long-term
contract where he'll be getting paid for being broken down at 40, so what's
the problem? he's still an efficient offensive player, including being a
very, very good passer. not a good defender, that will definitely be
missed. >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <2mfpmuFlndt1U2.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de>, "brink" <noemail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "levi" <leviDESPAM.TakeThisOut@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <2md8ujFksoj5U2.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de>, "brink" <noemail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > "levi" <leviDESPAM.TakeThisOut@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > > news:leviDESPAM-2307041332060001@10.0.0.2...
> > > > In article <2maferFkn99jU1.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de>, "PeterL"
> <peterl.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "levi" <leviDESPAM.TakeThisOut@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:leviDESPAM-2207041227310001@10.0.0.2...
> > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And do you go for the aging chain smoker whose stats are fading,
> or
> > > > > > the younger, bigger guy whose stats are trending up -
> > > > >
> > > > > Ostertag's stats are not "trending up".
> > > >
> > > > Let's see, over the past three years...
> > > >
> > > > Box score stats trending up:
> > > > minutes per game
> > > > points
> > > > rebounds
> > > > assists
> > > > free throw percentage
> > > >
> > > > Derived formulaic numbers trending up:
> > > > Efficiency.
> > > > Approximate Value
> > > > Versatility Index
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=OSTERGR01
> > >
> > > and apparently he's an andrew lang clone... he's been his closest comp
> > > from age 24-30...
> >
> > <grin> And Vlade's stats from age 24-30 were overshadowed by his closest
> comp,
> > the ever-memorable Herb Williams. To Vlade's credit, he did not suffer a
> > precipitous decline in later years, unlike Herb.
>
> herb williams wasn't a bad player (neither was andrew lang, for his place,
> money, etc).
>
> >
> > Of course, what matters is what will happen over the next couple of
> > seasons, right?
>
> of course.
D`accord.
>
> > Last year,John Hollinger's 03/04 Prospectus decribed Vlade as "in the
> midst
> > of a slow, steady decline", "his ability to take advantage of matchups in
> the
> > post has declined precipitously", "he doesn't defend the screen-and-roll
> > nearly as well as he used to". Anybody disagree, especially after watching
> > this season?
>
> wow, a late 30s player in a slow, steady decline, stop the presses! you
> mean as players pass the age of 32, they tend to get worse?
>
> > Just a few bamboozled cupcakes, apparently. There you go, the
> > Laker's starting center of the new post-Shaq dynasty. The crush at the
> > ticket window must be overwhelming.
>
> he's a lot like karl in that he's not nearly as mobile, athletic, or
> physically valuable as he was in his prime, but he comes relatively cheaply
> and he plays a very smart game. he's not signed for some dumb long-term
> contract where he'll be getting paid for being broken down at 40, so what's
> the problem? he's still an efficient offensive player, including being a
> very, very good passer. not a good defender, that will definitely be
> missed.
Ostertag only got a 2 year deal, so the Kings aren't overly dumb. If you go
on the theory that Greg only plays hard in contract years (see Igor Ed re
his Olowokandi theory) then the Kings are doubly wise.
Overlooked in y`all's vituperation is that I actually appreciate Vlade, but
hey, I'm quite willing to post unpopular positions too. So, yes, IMO Ostertag
*is* the better choice for the next five years and yes, given that I believe
that Kupchak could have gone for either of them without affecting his salary
issues enough to matter, he chose poorly - unless you and the glitterati keep
buying season tickets and logo ware (the only stat that *actually* matters).
I gotta believe that there's a deal waiting to happen out there that will
send a "genuine" starting center to the Lakers, and Vlade would make a great
backup. >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:58 pm
Post subject: Re: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> In article <2mfpmuFlndt1U2 DeleteThis @uni-berlin.de>, "brink" <noemail DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > > Last year,John Hollinger's 03/04 Prospectus decribed Vlade as "in the
> > midst
> > > of a slow, steady decline", "his ability to take advantage of
matchups in
> > the
> > > post has declined precipitously", "he doesn't defend the
screen-and-roll
> > > nearly as well as he used to". Anybody disagree, especially after
watching
> > > this season?
> >
> > wow, a late 30s player in a slow, steady decline, stop the presses!
you
> > mean as players pass the age of 32, they tend to get worse?
> >
> > > Just a few bamboozled cupcakes, apparently. There you go, the
> > > Laker's starting center of the new post-Shaq dynasty. The crush at
the
> > > ticket window must be overwhelming.
> >
> > he's a lot like karl in that he's not nearly as mobile, athletic, or
> > physically valuable as he was in his prime, but he comes relatively
cheaply
> > and he plays a very smart game. he's not signed for some dumb
long-term
> > contract where he'll be getting paid for being broken down at 40, so
what's
> > the problem? he's still an efficient offensive player, including being
a
> > very, very good passer. not a good defender, that will definitely be
> > missed.
>
> Ostertag only got a 2 year deal, so the Kings aren't overly dumb. If you
go
> on the theory that Greg only plays hard in contract years (see Igor Ed re
> his Olowokandi theory) then the Kings are doubly wise.
i've never said that this was a bad move by the kings, actually i don't
think it was. they're obviously trying something--anything--to shake things
up and shipping divac for O was a pretty safe move. it's not like they
ditched peja for peanuts or something. they still have a great core.
> Overlooked in y`all's vituperation is that I actually appreciate Vlade,
but
> hey, I'm quite willing to post unpopular positions too. So, yes, IMO
Ostertag
> *is* the better choice for the next five years and yes, given that I
believe
> that Kupchak could have gone for either of them without affecting his
salary
> issues enough to matter, he chose poorly - unless you and the glitterati
keep
> buying season tickets and logo ware (the only stat that *actually*
matters).
i think vlade will fit better in LA than O will fit in sac, just a hunch
based on what both teams are looking for from the respective players.
problem is--to your point--that without winning a lot, they will start
selling fewer season tickets and paraphernalia, so the heat's on.
> I gotta believe that there's a deal waiting to happen out there that will
> send a "genuine" starting center to the Lakers, and Vlade would make a
great
> backup.
actually i don't think so, i'm just not sure whom else is available who
would be worth anything that can be had for a relative bag of basketballs.
i think vlade is quite likely LA's starter. >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:26 am
Post subject: Re: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <leviDESPAM-2407041536050001.RemoveThis@10.0.0.2>,
leviDESPAM.RemoveThis@visiDESPAM.com (levi) wrote:
> Ostertag only got a 2 year deal, so the Kings aren't overly dumb. If you go
> on the theory that Greg only plays hard in contract years (see Igor Ed re
> his Olowokandi theory) then the Kings are doubly wise.
I had a hard time believing he'd sign anywhere for more
than $2 million. The Kings have made some pretty good deals
over the years, but I have trouble thinking this is one of
them.
Vlade is clearly a placeholder in LA until something better
is drafted or acquired. I doubt anyone believes he's going
to be an all-star this year. A Vlade-Ostertag match-up is
not exactly something I'm looking forward to (if Miller is
for some reason not playing), but I'd probably put my money
on Vlade to get the edge 7 times out of 10. Not just today,
but when he's 80.
> Overlooked in y`all's vituperation is that I actually appreciate Vlade, but
> hey, I'm quite willing to post unpopular positions too.
You tried to illustrate a point with numbers, but posted
the wrong numbers. That's like asking for a USENET equivalent
of pitchfork-and-torch-weilding peasants.
<snip>
> I gotta believe that there's a deal waiting to happen out there that will
> send a "genuine" starting center to the Lakers, and Vlade would make a great
> backup.
Not a terrible amount of those on the market these days.
If Dampier is out of play due to his contract demands,
you're basically looking at a converted PF or a miserable
stiff. With Odom, Butler and Kobe, clearly a guy with
Vlade's passing skills fits in better there than most
other comparable comparable centers around.
He might get injured in November like Scottie Pippen last
year and wind up a drag on the cap, but for the MLE, and
with his pretty solid history of health, it's a risk I'd
take. For Kupchak, it was the smart move. Not the most
imaginative move, but the smart one. >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:03 pm
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In article <2mgilgFm7unnU2.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de>, "brink" <noemail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "levi" <leviDESPAM.TakeThisOut@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:leviDESPAM-2407041536050001@10.0.0.2...
> > In article <2mfpmuFlndt1U2.TakeThisOut@uni-berlin.de>, "brink" <noemail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
....
> > > and he plays a very smart game. he's not signed for some dumb
> > > long-term contract where he'll be getting paid for being broken
> > > down at 40, so what's the problem? he's still an efficient
> > > offensive player, including being a very, very good passer.
> > > not a good defender, that will definitely be missed.
> >
> > Ostertag only got a 2 year deal, so the Kings aren't overly dumb. If
> > you go on the theory that Greg only plays hard in contract years (see
> > Igor Ed re his Olowokandi theory) then the Kings are doubly wise.
>
> i've never said that this was a bad move by the kings, actually i don't
> think it was. they're obviously trying something--anything--to shake
> things up and shipping divac for O was a pretty safe move. it's not
> like they ditched peja for peanuts or something. they still have a great
> core.
>
> > Overlooked in y`all's vituperation is that I actually appreciate Vlade,
> > but hey, I'm quite willing to post unpopular positions too. So, yes,
> > IMO Ostertag *is* the better choice for the next five years and yes,
> > given that I believe that Kupchak could have gone for either of them
>
> > without affecting his salary issues enough to matter, he chose poorly -
> > unless you and the glitterati keep buying season tickets and logo ware
> > (the only stat that *actually* matters).
>
> i think vlade will fit better in LA than O will fit in sac, just a hunch
> based on what both teams are looking for from the respective players.
No doubt that Vlade's passing skill is his last remaining strong suit, but
I'm not the first to note that for him to be able to pass, he first has to
receive the ball.
All Ostertag really needs to contribute is rebounding and interior defense for
the Kings to do well. Fortunately for Sacto, it is what he is most capable
of doing.
Time will tell, as always.
>
> problem is--to your point--that without winning a lot, they will start
> selling fewer season tickets and paraphernalia, so the heat's on.
Anybody know of a site that tries to track that? My cursory search for one
didn't turn up anything.
>
> > I gotta believe that there's a deal waiting to happen out there that will
> > send a "genuine" starting center to the Lakers, and Vlade would make a
> > great backup.
>
> actually i don't think so, i'm just not sure whom else is available who
> would be worth anything that can be had for a relative bag of basketballs.
> i think vlade is quite likely LA's starter.
Well, the Lakers seem to be a little overstocked at the "3". <grin> I don't
know if that should be considered a "bag of basketballs" but maybe you look
for teams needing backup help there with a center to trade, or more likely,
some 3 (or 4) team scenario - e.g. Lakers give some 3s to a team that has a
PG to move.
For example (after Sept. 14th) it would be possible (however unlikely that
it might be) to see Jason Kidd go to Cleveland, Ilgauskas to LA, and a passel
of Lakers like George, Fox, Rush, and Butler got to NJ. Of course, that
leaves the Nets without much at PG, so maybe add a 4th team to take Rush
and/or whoever for a PG. Did we notice Portland needs a shooter and is
overstocked at the point? >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:03 pm
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> > "levi" <leviDESPAM.RemoveThis@visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
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> > > In article <2mfpmuFlndt1U2.RemoveThis@uni-berlin.de>, "brink"
<noemail.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> ...
> > > > and he plays a very smart game. he's not signed for some dumb
> > > > long-term contract where he'll be getting paid for being broken
> > > > down at 40, so what's the problem? he's still an efficient
> > > > offensive player, including being a very, very good passer.
> > > > not a good defender, that will definitely be missed.
> > >
> > > Ostertag only got a 2 year deal, so the Kings aren't overly dumb. If
> > > you go on the theory that Greg only plays hard in contract years (see
> > > Igor Ed re his Olowokandi theory) then the Kings are doubly wise.
> >
> > i've never said that this was a bad move by the kings, actually i don't
> > think it was. they're obviously trying something--anything--to shake
> > things up and shipping divac for O was a pretty safe move. it's not
> > like they ditched peja for peanuts or something. they still have a
great
> > core.
> >
> > > Overlooked in y`all's vituperation is that I actually appreciate
Vlade,
> > > but hey, I'm quite willing to post unpopular positions too. So, yes,
> > > IMO Ostertag *is* the better choice for the next five years and yes,
> > > given that I believe that Kupchak could have gone for either of them
> >
> > > without affecting his salary issues enough to matter, he chose
poorly -
> > > unless you and the glitterati keep buying season tickets and logo
ware
> > > (the only stat that *actually* matters).
> >
> > i think vlade will fit better in LA than O will fit in sac, just a
hunch
> > based on what both teams are looking for from the respective players.
>
> No doubt that Vlade's passing skill is his last remaining strong suit, but
> I'm not the first to note that for him to be able to pass, he first has to
> receive the ball.
this is true...
> All Ostertag really needs to contribute is rebounding and interior defense
for
> the Kings to do well. Fortunately for Sacto, it is what he is most
capable
> of doing.
>
> Time will tell, as always.
>
> >
> > problem is--to your point--that without winning a lot, they will start
> > selling fewer season tickets and paraphernalia, so the heat's on.
>
> Anybody know of a site that tries to track that? My cursory search for
one
> didn't turn up anything.
i'm guessing they may not publish that info beyond the occasional "lakers
lead the league in merchandise sales" though i'm not even sure i've ever
heard that, for obvious reasons.
> >
> > > I gotta believe that there's a deal waiting to happen out there that
will
> > > send a "genuine" starting center to the Lakers, and Vlade would make
a
> > > great backup.
> >
> > actually i don't think so, i'm just not sure whom else is available who
> > would be worth anything that can be had for a relative bag of
basketballs.
> > i think vlade is quite likely LA's starter.
>
> Well, the Lakers seem to be a little overstocked at the "3". <grin> I
don't
> know if that should be considered a "bag of basketballs" but maybe you
look
> for teams needing backup help there with a center to trade, or more
likely,
> some 3 (or 4) team scenario - e.g. Lakers give some 3s to a team that has
a
> PG to move.
i'm not sure about overstocked, devean george will be out for a good chunk
of the season and i'm not convinced fox will still be with the team. larry
coon thinks butler will be shipped off, for what that's worth.
> For example (after Sept. 14th) it would be possible (however unlikely that
> it might be) to see Jason Kidd go to Cleveland, Ilgauskas to LA, and a
passel
> of Lakers like George, Fox, Rush, and Butler got to NJ. Of course, that
> leaves the Nets without much at PG, so maybe add a 4th team to take Rush
> and/or whoever for a PG. Did we notice Portland needs a shooter and is
> overstocked at the point? >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <x-2507040031110001.DeleteThis@user-38lcodc.dialup.mindspring.com>, x.DeleteThis@x.x
(Granville Waiters' Ghost) wrote:
> In article <leviDESPAM-2407041536050001.DeleteThis@10.0.0.2>,
> leviDESPAM.DeleteThis@visiDESPAM.com (levi) wrote:
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>
> > Ostertag only got a 2 year deal, so the Kings aren't overly dumb.
> > If you go on the theory that Greg only plays hard in contract years
> > (see Igor Ed re his Olowokandi theory) then the Kings are doubly wise.
>
> I had a hard time believing he'd sign anywhere for more
> than $2 million. The Kings have made some pretty good deals
> over the years, but I have trouble thinking this is one of
> them.
Time will tell. He still has time to show us an upside.
>
> Vlade is clearly a placeholder in LA until something better
> is drafted or acquired. I doubt anyone believes he's going
> to be an all-star this year. A Vlade-Ostertag match-up is
> not exactly something I'm looking forward to (if Miller is
> for some reason not playing), but I'd probably put my money
> on Vlade to get the edge 7 times out of 10. Not just today,
> but when he's 80.
Miller can't play every minute...on the subject of said matchup,
Ostertag had a problem with setting moving screens and of course
Vlade has no problem flopping. Advantage L.A.? Calibrate your
>
> > Overlooked in y`all's vituperation is that I actually appreciate
> > Vlade, but hey, I'm quite willing to post unpopular positions too.
>
> You tried to illustrate a point with numbers, but posted
> the wrong numbers.
Correction - it was *one* wrong number. Mistakenly pulled off a table
that looks just like the table above it on the the same web page. But
as you say...
> That's like asking for a USENET equivalent
> of pitchfork-and-torch-weilding peasants.
<chuckle> Toothless, illiterate peasants drooling at the mouth, to boot. >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:42 am
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In article <leviDESPAM-2507041508450001.RemoveThis@10.0.0.2>,
leviDESPAM.RemoveThis@visiDESPAM.com (levi) wrote:
> In article <x-2507040031110001.RemoveThis@user-38lcodc.dialup.mindspring.com>, x.RemoveThis@x.x
> (Granville Waiters' Ghost) wrote:
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> > In article <leviDESPAM-2407041536050001.RemoveThis@10.0.0.2>,
> > leviDESPAM.RemoveThis@visiDESPAM.com (levi) wrote:
>
> >
> > Vlade is clearly a placeholder in LA until something better
> > is drafted or acquired. I doubt anyone believes he's going
> > to be an all-star this year. A Vlade-Ostertag match-up is
> > not exactly something I'm looking forward to (if Miller is
> > for some reason not playing), but I'd probably put my money
> > on Vlade to get the edge 7 times out of 10. Not just today,
> > but when he's 80.
>
> Miller can't play every minute...on the subject of said matchup,
> Ostertag had a problem with setting moving screens and of course
> Vlade has no problem flopping. Advantage L.A.? Calibrate your
And the secret word was:
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:32 am
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In article <10g3enva8a9jfbf RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>
"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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> bozak wrote:
>> "Nic Caciappo" <nicbeat RemoveThis @mlode.com> wrote in message
>> news:10g34icb9scaf47@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "Sports Fan" <sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote in message
>>> news:j203g09ki21aarcnb5r52d2gvcvmed228f@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> this is better than watching hamsters...
>
>Hampsters know when to get off the wheel....
>
You morons both know all about hamsters, you both are.
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:34 am
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In article <75628f6f.0407241156.2764bf0e.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>
chris.chandler.DeleteThis@gmail.com (Jabba the Chandler) wrote:
>Remember that according to the official bylaws of asbnll, all
>meatspace fights are to be scheduled and held at the Shell station in
>Westwood. It's usually quite busy during the offseason but we may be
>able to fit you two ladies in next Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
>
The "two ladies" reference is obviously about bozak and his bitch
Laurel, or you and your mom. >> Stay informed about: Kings offer 4 million to Ostertag but only 2.5 to Vlade? |
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:03 pm
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Sports Fan <sports DeleteThis @fan.home> wrote in message news:<cjjag0dna46oc25mdifg37tg30kd3s48il DeleteThis @4ax.com>...
> In article <75628f6f.0407241156.2764bf0e DeleteThis @posting.google.com>
> chris.chandler DeleteThis @gmail.com (Jabba the Chandler) wrote:
>
>
> >Remember that according to the official bylaws of asbnll, all
> >meatspace fights are to be scheduled and held at the Shell station in
> >Westwood. It's usually quite busy during the offseason but we may be
> >able to fit you two ladies in next Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
> >
>
> The "two ladies" reference is obviously about bozak and his bitch
> Laurel, or you and your mom.
If you say that 100 times it still wouldn't be close.
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(Msg. 74) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:03 pm
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In article <75628f6f.0407261603.35354b82.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>
chris.chandler.TakeThisOut@gmail.com (Jabba the Chandler) wrote:
>Sports Fan <sports.TakeThisOut@fan.home> wrote in message news:<cjjag0dna46oc25mdifg37tg30kd3s48il.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
>> In article <75628f6f.0407241156.2764bf0e.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>
>> chris.chandler.TakeThisOut@gmail.com (Jabba the Chandler) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Remember that according to the official bylaws of asbnll, all
>> >meatspace fights are to be scheduled and held at the Shell station in
>> >Westwood. It's usually quite busy during the offseason but we may be
>> >able to fit you two ladies in next Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
>> >
>>
>> The "two ladies" reference is obviously about bozak and his bitch
>> Laurel, or you and your mom.
>
>If you say that 100 times it still wouldn't be close.
>
Whatever makes you happy, junior.
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(Msg. 75) Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:33 am
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Sports Fan <sports DeleteThis @fan.home> wrote in message news:<9q6bg0d47e8th53v3qhj0ei4u7mdd0askf DeleteThis @4ax.com>...
> In article <75628f6f.0407261603.35354b82 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>
> chris.chandler DeleteThis @gmail.com (Jabba the Chandler) wrote:
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> >Sports Fan <sports DeleteThis @fan.home> wrote in message news:<cjjag0dna46oc25mdifg37tg30kd3s48il DeleteThis @4ax.com>...
> >> In article <75628f6f.0407241156.2764bf0e DeleteThis @posting.google.com>
> >> chris.chandler DeleteThis @gmail.com (Jabba the Chandler) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >Remember that according to the official bylaws of asbnll, all
> >> >meatspace fights are to be scheduled and held at the Shell station in
> >> >Westwood. It's usually quite busy during the offseason but we may be
> >> >able to fit you two ladies in next Tuesday at 7:30 pm.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The "two ladies" reference is obviously about bozak and his bitch
> >> Laurel, or you and your mom.
> >
> >If you say that 100 times it still wouldn't be close.
> >
>
> Whatever makes you happy, junior.
> As nikki would say, you seem to be "infatuated" with my posts.
Bwahahahahahahah!
I win!(tm)
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