Knicks should've picked Bayless

On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
> players this high in the draft.
>
> JB

I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
at a very high level overseas. So it's not a question of whether he'll
be good but what his ceiling is. He should definitely be starter/6th
man material a la Toni Kukoc though.
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On Jun 26, 10:57 pm, Doctor Chen <drc... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>
> <dan.zin... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
> >> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
> >> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
> >> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
> >> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
> >> players this high in the draft.
>
> >> JB
>
> >I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
> >gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
> >at a very high level overseas.
>
> At 19 years old I doubt how "high" of a level he's playing at.

Well you don't need to doubt or not doubt it. He averaged 17.5 ppg in
a the Italian pro league. Weis, Bargnani, Darko, Lampe, etc. had no
such credentials.

>
> >So it's not a question of whether he'll
> >be good but what his ceiling is. He should definitely be starter/6th
> >man material a la Toni Kukoc though.
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
<dan.zinder RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
>> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
>> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
>> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
>> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
>> players this high in the draft.
>>
>> JB
>
>I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
>gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
>at a very high level overseas.

At 19 years old I doubt how "high" of a level he's playing at.

>So it's not a question of whether he'll
>be good but what his ceiling is. He should definitely be starter/6th
>man material a la Toni Kukoc though.
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Capn'O:

> He averaged 17.5 ppg in a the Italian pro league

Stephon Xavier Marbury averaged 19.7 ppg in the NBA league.
What's the point?

Is the right person, for this team, at this time?

DG
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:26:20 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
<dan.zinder.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 26, 10:57 pm, Doctor Chen <drc....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>>
>> <dan.zin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
>> >> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
>> >> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
>> >> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
>> >> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
>> >> players this high in the draft.
>>
>> >> JB
>>
>> >I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
>> >gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
>> >at a very high level overseas.
>>
>> At 19 years old I doubt how "high" of a level he's playing at.
>
>Well you don't need to doubt or not doubt it. He averaged 17.5 ppg in
>a the Italian pro league. Weis, Bargnani, Darko, Lampe, etc. had no
>such credentials.

Bo Kimbo also avg. 30+ PPG in college. He sure had a nice NBA career
didn't he?


>>
>> >So it's not a question of whether he'll
>> >be good but what his ceiling is. He should definitely be starter/6th
>> >man material a la Toni Kukoc though.
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:44:52 -0400, Dan Gaters
<dan.gaters.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Capn'O:
>
>> He averaged 17.5 ppg in a the Italian pro league
>
>Stephon Xavier Marbury averaged 19.7 ppg in the NBA league.
>What's the point?
>
>Is the right person, for this team, at this time?
>
>DG
>

No no no DG. He's name is "Stephon I'm God Starbury", please get his
divinity right.
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On Jun 27, 12:13 am, Doctor Chen <drc....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:26:20 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>
>
>
> <dan.zin....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 26, 10:57 pm, Doctor Chen <drc....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>
> >> <dan.zin....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
> >> >> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
> >> >> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
> >> >> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
> >> >> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
> >> >> players this high in the draft.
>
> >> >> JB
>
> >> >I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
> >> >gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
> >> >at a very high level overseas.
>
> >> At 19 years old I doubt how "high" of a level he's playing at.
>
> >Well you don't need to doubt or not doubt it. He averaged 17.5 ppg in
> >a the Italian pro league. Weis, Bargnani, Darko, Lampe, etc. had no
> >such credentials.
>
> Bo Kimbo also avg. 30+ PPG in college. He sure had a nice NBA career
> didn't he?

You are changing the argument as usual. I did NOT say his game would
translate. I said he differed from other players the Knicks (and
others) have drafted because he has already played at a high level in
the Euro leagues. He was the star on his team. You argued, knowing
nothing. You were wrong.
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On Jun 26, 11:44 pm, Dan Gaters <dan.gat....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Capn'O:
>
> > He averaged 17.5 ppg in a the Italian pro league
>
> Stephon Xavier Marbury averaged 19.7 ppg in the NBA league.
> What's the point?
>
> Is the right person, for this team, at this time?

Derrick Rose is the only player in this draft that fit that bill, imo.
Gallinari should fit well into a D' system. He can pass, shoot, put
the ball on the floor a la Kukoc. From all accounts he is a smart,
team guy.

The "right" player??? We needed a star player or to dump salary in
this draft. How good he will be in this league is anyone's guess...
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On Jun 27, 6:58 am, "Capn'O" <dan.zin....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> We needed a star player or to dump salary in
> this draft.

We were unlikely to get the former and didn't do a damn thing to get
the latter.

If it were for a trade (see what McHale did) to clear salary, I'd
understand. But Gallinari didn't drum up much interest from the rest
of the league beyond NY, so I don't see it.
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:52:50 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
<dan.zinder RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 27, 12:13 am, Doctor Chen <drc... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:26:20 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>>
>>
>>
>> <dan.zin... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 26, 10:57 pm, Doctor Chen <drc... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>>
>> >> <dan.zin... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
>> >> >> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
>> >> >> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
>> >> >> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
>> >> >> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
>> >> >> players this high in the draft.
>>
>> >> >> JB
>>
>> >> >I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
>> >> >gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
>> >> >at a very high level overseas.
>>
>> >> At 19 years old I doubt how "high" of a level he's playing at.
>>
>> >Well you don't need to doubt or not doubt it. He averaged 17.5 ppg in
>> >a the Italian pro league. Weis, Bargnani, Darko, Lampe, etc. had no
>> >such credentials.
>>
>> Bo Kimbo also avg. 30+ PPG in college. He sure had a nice NBA career
>> didn't he?
>
>You are changing the argument as usual. I did NOT say his game would
>translate. I said he differed from other players the Knicks (and
>others) have drafted because he has already played at a high level in
>the Euro leagues. He was the star on his team. You argued, knowing
>nothing. You were wrong.

No, you're not getting the argument as usual. Avg. 17.5 PPG in a
"Italian pro" league means nothing. NBA is a totally different level
of competition and skills.

Also, you are wrong as usual on Weis. He was an established center in
France that can "score, rebound, and pass."
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:36:39 -0400, Doctor Chen <drchen.TakeThisOut@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:52:50 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
><dan.zinder.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 27, 12:13 am, Doctor Chen <drc....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:26:20 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <dan.zin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Jun 26, 10:57 pm, Doctor Chen <drc....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT), "Capn'O"
>>>
>>> >> <dan.zin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >On Jun 26, 8:16 pm, Joe Blow <joseph_blo....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> My bet is that you'll see Bayless develop into an excellent point
>>> >> >> guard with the same level of competitive ferocity as Deron Williams
>>> >> >> and Chris Paul (although perhaps not quite as good as either of those
>>> >> >> two, but that's no slight). The Knicks need a real point guard for
>>> >> >> the future, and pronto. I don't like to see them gambling on European
>>> >> >> players this high in the draft.
>>>
>>> >> >> JB
>>>
>>> >> >I don't think it's a gamble in the way that Weis or Skita were
>>> >> >gambles. From what I've heard, unlike those guys he's already playing
>>> >> >at a very high level overseas.
>>>
>>> >> At 19 years old I doubt how "high" of a level he's playing at.
>>>
>>> >Well you don't need to doubt or not doubt it. He averaged 17.5 ppg in
>>> >a the Italian pro league. Weis, Bargnani, Darko, Lampe, etc. had no
>>> >such credentials.
>>>
>>> Bo Kimbo also avg. 30+ PPG in college. He sure had a nice NBA career
>>> didn't he?
>>
>>You are changing the argument as usual. I did NOT say his game would
>>translate. I said he differed from other players the Knicks (and
>>others) have drafted because he has already played at a high level in
>>the Euro leagues. He was the star on his team. You argued, knowing
>>nothing. You were wrong.
>
>No, you're not getting the argument as usual. Avg. 17.5 PPG in a
>"Italian pro" league means nothing. NBA is a totally different level
>of competition and skills.
>
>Also, you are wrong as usual on Weis. He was an established center in
>France that can "score, rebound, and pass."
>
>

Well even if that is true my question is... what happened to weiss?
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On Jun 27, 9:36 am, Doctor Chen <drc....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> Also, you are wrong as usual on Weis. He was an established center in
> France that can "score, rebound, and pass."

http://www.basket-stats.info/euroleague/1997-1998/teams/limoges.htm

Well he "scored" 7.2 points a game and "rebounded" at 4.4 clip the
year the Knicks drafted him. Maybe his passing was just _that_
awesome???
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On Jun 27, 8:27 am, Noah <dontsendmeyers....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 27, 6:58 am, "Capn'O" <dan.zin....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We needed a star player or to dump salary in
> > this draft.
>
> We were unlikely to get the former and didn't do a damn thing to get
> the latter.
>
> If it were for a trade (see what McHale did) to clear salary, I'd
> understand. But Gallinari didn't drum up much interest from the rest
> of the league beyond NY, so I don't see it.

After seeing the outcome I was surprised that we didn't trade down a
few picks and then pick him anyway... seemed like there were a few
others on the board slated to go before him... we may have been able
to shed some salary that way.
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