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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:38 pm
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EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) -- Kobe Bryant would love to have Karl Malone back
with the Los Angeles Lakers, and believes comments he made in a recent radio
interview were misunderstood.

Bryant also said Wednesday that he tried to call Malone ``and square it all
out.''

Malone's agent, Dwight Manley, said Tuesday that his client had ruled out a
return to the Lakers because of what Bryant said in the radio interview and
what the agent called ``recent personal attacks made in private.''

Bryant said he was shocked by Malone's reaction.

``I meant nothing by it. It wasn't directed toward him,'' Bryant said after
the Lakers' shootaround. ``I'd love to have him back here, everybody would.
If he wants to come back and play, the door's always open.

``This is the type of place he should enjoy playing. I'm happy to hear he's
100 percent. And in no way what I said was directed toward him or a personal
attack. If he's felt some type of way about that, then I apologize.''

But Bryant also said: ``It is what it is, and I want to move on with the
team we have here.''

Manley said Malone was furious'' and ``felt very disrespected'' after
hearing of an account of what Bryant told XTRA radio in an interview Monday.

Bryant told the radio station he didn't think that Malone, who underwent
surgery on his right knee last summer, would return to the Lakers, calling
it ``just intuition.'' Bryant also said the uncertainty wasn't fair to his
teammates.

``I think he took what I said the wrong way,'' Bryant said Wednesday.
``Maybe he didn't hear it, maybe he ran off with what somebody else was
saying. If I felt like (Malone) was a distraction, I would have said it. I
didn't say anything like that.''

Malone told KCBS-TV late Tuesday that he didn't ``want to be anyone's
distraction.''

Bryant said his relationship with Malone has ``always been cool.''

``If Karl comes back, it will be a tremendous addition,'' Bryant said. ``But
if he doesn't, I'm fine rolling with the guys we have here. It's his
decision if he wants to come back.''

Bryant didn't appear upset or agitated Wednesday.

``Everything I've been through, you just shrug it off,'' he said. ``I don't
hold grudges, I don't hold anger or resentment toward anybody. I've been
through a lot. You forgive and move on. If Karl comes back, great. If he
doesn't, that's fine, too.''

Lakers coach Rudy Tomjanovich defended Bryant.

``I believe Kobe said it was a misunderstanding,'' Tomjanovich said. ``And
we've always felt the same way, that the red carpet is out for (Malone) if
he wants to come back. He deserves to make a decision at the end of a great
career.

``We have not talked at all. It's unfortunate negativity came out of it. But
I don't think there's one ounce of negativity around here about Karl
Malone.''

The 41-year-old Malone told the Lakers on Oct. 1 he wasn't ready to play.
But he didn't rule out returning at some point this season or later.

Manley said Tuesday that Malone had fully recovered from his surgery and
would address his future in the next month or so.

Shaquille O'Neal, Malone's teammate last season in Los Angeles and a good
friend of the power forward, would not speculate as to whether his current
team -- the Miami Heat -- and general manager Pat Riley -- would pursue
Malone.

``I'm sure he'll call if he's interested,'' O'Neal said before Miami's game
at Milwaukee on Wednesday night. ``And, maybe Mr. Riley will be interested.
And, I can do my part with the general managerial skills that I possess. I
can do my part to help, but it's totally up to Coach Riley.''

O'Neal said he hasn't lobbied for Malone to join the Heat.

``Whenever guys like us talk, it's never about basketball,'' he said. ``It's
just about the families, the kids and about life. It's never about
basketball. It's never about coming back. Karl's a great guy and I know he
went through a tough injury last year, so basketball is probably the last
thing on his mind.''

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:57 am
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cp8abe$88s@dispatch.concentric.net...
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZmFlcXBpBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
> N0aA--?slug=ap-lakers-malone&prov=ap&type=lgns
>
> EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) -- Kobe Bryant would love to have Karl Malone back
> with the Los Angeles Lakers, and believes comments he made in a recent
> radio
> interview were misunderstood.
>
> Bryant also said Wednesday that he tried to call Malone ``and square it
> all
> out.''
>
> Malone's agent, Dwight Manley, said Tuesday that his client had ruled out
> a
> return to the Lakers because of what Bryant said in the radio interview
> and
> what the agent called ``recent personal attacks made in private.''
>
> Bryant said he was shocked by Malone's reaction.
>
> ``I meant nothing by it. It wasn't directed toward him,'' Bryant said
> after
> the Lakers' shootaround. ``I'd love to have him back here, everybody
> would.
> If he wants to come back and play, the door's always open.
>
> ``This is the type of place he should enjoy playing. I'm happy to hear
> he's
> 100 percent. And in no way what I said was directed toward him or a
> personal
> attack. If he's felt some type of way about that, then I apologize.''
>
> But Bryant also said: ``It is what it is, and I want to move on with the
> team we have here.''
>
> Manley said Malone was furious'' and ``felt very disrespected'' after
> hearing of an account of what Bryant told XTRA radio in an interview
> Monday.
>
> Bryant told the radio station he didn't think that Malone, who underwent
> surgery on his right knee last summer, would return to the Lakers, calling
> it ``just intuition.'' Bryant also said the uncertainty wasn't fair to his
> teammates.
>
> ``I think he took what I said the wrong way,'' Bryant said Wednesday.
> ``Maybe he didn't hear it, maybe he ran off with what somebody else was
> saying. If I felt like (Malone) was a distraction, I would have said it. I
> didn't say anything like that.''
>
> Malone told KCBS-TV late Tuesday that he didn't ``want to be anyone's
> distraction.''
>
> Bryant said his relationship with Malone has ``always been cool.''
>
> ``If Karl comes back, it will be a tremendous addition,'' Bryant said.
> ``But
> if he doesn't, I'm fine rolling with the guys we have here. It's his
> decision if he wants to come back.''
>
> Bryant didn't appear upset or agitated Wednesday.
>
> ``Everything I've been through, you just shrug it off,'' he said. ``I
> don't
> hold grudges, I don't hold anger or resentment toward anybody. I've been
> through a lot. You forgive and move on. If Karl comes back, great. If he
> doesn't, that's fine, too.''
>
> Lakers coach Rudy Tomjanovich defended Bryant.
>
> ``I believe Kobe said it was a misunderstanding,'' Tomjanovich said. ``And
> we've always felt the same way, that the red carpet is out for (Malone) if
> he wants to come back. He deserves to make a decision at the end of a
> great
> career.
>
> ``We have not talked at all. It's unfortunate negativity came out of it.
> But
> I don't think there's one ounce of negativity around here about Karl
> Malone.''
>
> The 41-year-old Malone told the Lakers on Oct. 1 he wasn't ready to play.
> But he didn't rule out returning at some point this season or later.
>
> Manley said Tuesday that Malone had fully recovered from his surgery and
> would address his future in the next month or so.
>
> Shaquille O'Neal, Malone's teammate last season in Los Angeles and a good
> friend of the power forward, would not speculate as to whether his current
> team -- the Miami Heat -- and general manager Pat Riley -- would pursue
> Malone.
>
> ``I'm sure he'll call if he's interested,'' O'Neal said before Miami's
> game
> at Milwaukee on Wednesday night. ``And, maybe Mr. Riley will be
> interested.
> And, I can do my part with the general managerial skills that I possess. I
> can do my part to help, but it's totally up to Coach Riley.''
>
> O'Neal said he hasn't lobbied for Malone to join the Heat.
>
> ``Whenever guys like us talk, it's never about basketball,'' he said.
> ``It's
> just about the families, the kids and about life. It's never about
> basketball. It's never about coming back. Karl's a great guy and I know he
> went through a tough injury last year, so basketball is probably the last
> thing on his mind.''
>


The bottomline is, Malone could have signed before the season started and
Buss would have gladly paid him for a full season whether he wanted to play
or not. It was Malone's choice not to sign with the Lakers or anyone else.
Not signing, has created speculation. The speculation is a distraction to
any team desiring to sign Malone. I agree with Kobe. It's not fair to any of
the 15 guys on the roster or IR to have to look over their back wondering if
Karl is going to decide tomorrow that he wants to play. We know that Buss
will make good on his word and pay Karl if that's what Karl wants, which
means someone else will get cut. It kinda sucks if your one of the guys
struggling to stay on an NBA roster, knowing that a 40 year old
multi-millionaire could supplant you on a moments notice. Jerry Buss created
the distraction through his verbal agreement with Malone and Manley.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:39 am
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kobe is right, it's a distraction if they keep getting asked questions
about karl.

but kobe can't talk his way out of a reputation of running people out
of the laker organization. true or not, everyone thinks he ran phil,
shaq, and maybe payton out. so what's karl to think if suddenly kobe
starts saying he doesn't think karl is coming back.

now karl is not going to supplant 14 guys on the roster if he does
return to play for the lakers. he's going to replace one guy who
doesn't play already. for everybody else who could lose minutes, they
better try harder to not lose minutes to a 40 year old rich guy, it
looks pretty bad if he's better than them.

just the same, i think karl doesn't have a good relationship with kobe.
he was probably hoping for an out. maybe partly to be on a contender
(although lakers could be a contender with karl), maybe he just doesn't
like the way the lakers play now.

dave
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:40 pm
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lurker wrote:
>
> I agree with Kobe. It's not fair to any of
> the 15 guys on the roster or IR to have to look over their back wondering if
> Karl is going to decide tomorrow that he wants to play.

The thing is the guys went through the same thing last year with Kobe, so
he of all people is doing the stones in glass houses thing. AQny
distraction Karl might be posing is a tiny fraction of last year's
distraction.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:40 pm
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:40:41 GMT, Gary Collard
<sonicsareforreal.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

>lurker wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Kobe. It's not fair to any of
>> the 15 guys on the roster or IR to have to look over their back wondering if
>> Karl is going to decide tomorrow that he wants to play.
>
>The thing is the guys went through the same thing last year with Kobe, so
>he of all people is doing the stones in glass houses thing. AQny
>distraction Karl might be posing is a tiny fraction of last year's
>distraction.

That is so correct. Kobe caused all types of distractions last year
and his team supported him thru it all. Now he shows another side of
his immaturity by disrespecting Karl Malone. Malone has been around
for ages and should get the benefit of the doubt if he wants to come
back or not. However, Kobe has little respect for veterans and seems
to prefer his ego ahead of winning games. By putting an immature Kobe
in the drivers seat, the Lakers have turned into losers and this
recent issue was probably the last straw for Malone.
It would be awesome for the league to see Malone play in Miami with
guys like Shaq and Dwayne Wade who respect what he has to offer.

romu
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:43 pm
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Dave McNulla wrote:
>
> kobe is right, it's a distraction if they keep getting asked questions
> about karl.
>
> but kobe can't talk his way out of a reputation of running people out
> of the laker organization. true or not, everyone thinks he ran phil,
> shaq, and maybe payton out. so what's karl to think if suddenly kobe
> starts saying he doesn't think karl is coming back.

And what concerns me is that this starts to hurt the team long-term in
pursuing free agents, particularly in '07 when they look to try to return
to the top of the league.

To that end, Kobe's groveling aplogy was a welcome start in what I hope
will be a change in him.

> now karl is not going to supplant 14 guys on the roster if he does
> return to play for the lakers. he's going to replace one guy who
> doesn't play already.

To be precise, he will replace Kareem Rush, although the actual body will
be Tony Bobbitt's.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:44 pm
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In article <03Qtd.31041$zx1.15708@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, "lurker" <lurker.DeleteThis@lurkin.org> wrote:
>
>"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cp8abe$88s@dispatch.concentric.net...
>> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZmFlcXBpBF9TAzk1ODYxOTQ4BHNlYw
>> N0aA--?slug=ap-lakers-malone&prov=ap&type=lgns
>>
>> EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) -- Kobe Bryant would love to have Karl Malone back
>> with the Los Angeles Lakers, and believes comments he made in a recent
>> radio
>> interview were misunderstood.
>>
>> Bryant also said Wednesday that he tried to call Malone ``and square it
>> all
>> out.''
>>
>> Malone's agent, Dwight Manley, said Tuesday that his client had ruled out
>> a
>> return to the Lakers because of what Bryant said in the radio interview
>> and
>> what the agent called ``recent personal attacks made in private.''
>>
>> Bryant said he was shocked by Malone's reaction.
>>
>> ``I meant nothing by it. It wasn't directed toward him,'' Bryant said
>> after
>> the Lakers' shootaround. ``I'd love to have him back here, everybody
>> would.
>> If he wants to come back and play, the door's always open.
>>
>> ``This is the type of place he should enjoy playing. I'm happy to hear
>> he's
>> 100 percent. And in no way what I said was directed toward him or a
>> personal
>> attack. If he's felt some type of way about that, then I apologize.''
>>
>> But Bryant also said: ``It is what it is, and I want to move on with the
>> team we have here.''
>>
>> Manley said Malone was furious'' and ``felt very disrespected'' after
>> hearing of an account of what Bryant told XTRA radio in an interview
>> Monday.
>>
>> Bryant told the radio station he didn't think that Malone, who underwent
>> surgery on his right knee last summer, would return to the Lakers, calling
>> it ``just intuition.'' Bryant also said the uncertainty wasn't fair to his
>> teammates.
>>
>> ``I think he took what I said the wrong way,'' Bryant said Wednesday.
>> ``Maybe he didn't hear it, maybe he ran off with what somebody else was
>> saying. If I felt like (Malone) was a distraction, I would have said it. I
>> didn't say anything like that.''
>>
>> Malone told KCBS-TV late Tuesday that he didn't ``want to be anyone's
>> distraction.''
>>
>> Bryant said his relationship with Malone has ``always been cool.''
>>
>> ``If Karl comes back, it will be a tremendous addition,'' Bryant said.
>> ``But
>> if he doesn't, I'm fine rolling with the guys we have here. It's his
>> decision if he wants to come back.''
>>
>> Bryant didn't appear upset or agitated Wednesday.
>>
>> ``Everything I've been through, you just shrug it off,'' he said. ``I
>> don't
>> hold grudges, I don't hold anger or resentment toward anybody. I've been
>> through a lot. You forgive and move on. If Karl comes back, great. If he
>> doesn't, that's fine, too.''
>>
>> Lakers coach Rudy Tomjanovich defended Bryant.
>>
>> ``I believe Kobe said it was a misunderstanding,'' Tomjanovich said. ``And
>> we've always felt the same way, that the red carpet is out for (Malone) if
>> he wants to come back. He deserves to make a decision at the end of a
>> great
>> career.
>>
>> ``We have not talked at all. It's unfortunate negativity came out of it.
>> But
>> I don't think there's one ounce of negativity around here about Karl
>> Malone.''
>>
>> The 41-year-old Malone told the Lakers on Oct. 1 he wasn't ready to play.
>> But he didn't rule out returning at some point this season or later.
>>
>> Manley said Tuesday that Malone had fully recovered from his surgery and
>> would address his future in the next month or so.
>>
>> Shaquille O'Neal, Malone's teammate last season in Los Angeles and a good
>> friend of the power forward, would not speculate as to whether his current
>> team -- the Miami Heat -- and general manager Pat Riley -- would pursue
>> Malone.
>>
>> ``I'm sure he'll call if he's interested,'' O'Neal said before Miami's
>> game
>> at Milwaukee on Wednesday night. ``And, maybe Mr. Riley will be
>> interested.
>> And, I can do my part with the general managerial skills that I possess. I
>> can do my part to help, but it's totally up to Coach Riley.''
>>
>> O'Neal said he hasn't lobbied for Malone to join the Heat.
>>
>> ``Whenever guys like us talk, it's never about basketball,'' he said.
>> ``It's
>> just about the families, the kids and about life. It's never about
>> basketball. It's never about coming back. Karl's a great guy and I know he
>> went through a tough injury last year, so basketball is probably the last
>> thing on his mind.''
>>
>
>
>The bottomline is, Malone could have signed before the season started and
>Buss would have gladly paid him for a full season whether he wanted to play
>or not. It was Malone's choice not to sign with the Lakers or anyone else.
>Not signing, has created speculation. The speculation is a distraction to
>any team desiring to sign Malone. I agree with Kobe. It's not fair to any of
>the 15 guys on the roster or IR to have to look over their back wondering if
>Karl is going to decide tomorrow that he wants to play. We know that Buss
>will make good on his word and pay Karl if that's what Karl wants, which
>means someone else will get cut. It kinda sucks if your one of the guys
>struggling to stay on an NBA roster, knowing that a 40 year old
>multi-millionaire could supplant you on a moments notice. Jerry Buss created
>the distraction through his verbal agreement with Malone and Manley.
>
>
>
Butr the difference here is that the 40 years old even on his bad days is
still better than most all the guys on the IR or roster in the NBA on their
good days.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:58 am
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lurker wrote:
>
> "Gary Collard" <sonicsareforreal DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > lurker wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Kobe. It's not fair to any of
> >> the 15 guys on the roster or IR to have to look over their back wondering
> >> if
> >> Karl is going to decide tomorrow that he wants to play.
> >
> > The thing is the guys went through the same thing last year with Kobe, so
> > he of all people is doing the stones in glass houses thing. AQny
> > distraction Karl might be posing is a tiny fraction of last year's
> > distraction.
> >
>
> The only point I was trying to make is that Malone should have committed one
> way or the other before the season started.

I would agree if I wasn't willing to accept that Malone really did not know
if he wanted to or would be physically able (at the level he is accustomed)
to play this year. I see no reason to think he has been lying about that,
so I can't fault him for not giving a possibly wrong answer early instead
of waiting until he knew.

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