No, thank you. The Lakers don't need that.

Kai Haberzettl wrote:
> Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
>> theBZA wrote:
>>> Kai Haberzettl <kai-usenet.TakeThisOut@khaberz.net> wrote in
>>> news:m2od546hwb.fsf@trillian.khaberz.net:
>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Artest#Controversy
>>>>
>>>> No matter what he brings on the court, I'm against it.
>>>>
>>> co-sign. Remember Rodman?
>> Artest is nothing like Rodman. They're two completely different
>> players and men. Check Artest's stats last season and then think
>> about the D he brings.
>
> Somehow I don't think Brandon's Rodman-comparison was related to stats.
>
>> This is a no-brainer trade and the Lakers will
>> take it if Sacto is willing to part with Ron.
>
> I can see that there is an argument you can make for bringing Artest
> in, although I don't agree with it. But to call bringing in a guy with
> Artest's history while giving up Odom a "no-brainer" is silly at best.
>
>> There's no two ways about it.
>
> There never is for you, is there?
>
>> Thankfully, Laker management won't be running the team on
>> misguided emotion. Odom out, Artest in = championship.
>
> Possible. If he plays to his potential and - this is the big one - if
> he actually plays a full season without causing some catastrophe.



What catastrophe has he caused recently?

-JC
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RMJon23 wrote:
> On Jul 10, 11:42�pm, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use....DeleteThis@khaberz.net> wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Artest#Controversy
>>
>> No matter what he brings on the court, I'm against it.
>
> I agree. Artest is definitely talented, but I consider him mentally
> ill

Almost certainly.

Rasheed is likely clinical too.

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mozark <swooning.RemoveThis@gmail.com> writes:

>> Artest is nothing like Rodman.  They're two completely different players
>> and men.  Check Artest's stats last season and then think about the D he
>> brings.  This is a no-brainer trade and the Lakers will take it if Sacto
>> is willing to part with Ron.  There's no two ways about it.  Thankfully,
>> Laker management won't be running the team on misguided emotion.  Odom
>> out, Artest in = championship.
>
> Co-sign.

Didn't you complain that last years' Lakers were very unlikeable
overall? This is not going to get much better by adding Artest...
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Avant Grape wrote:
> Popcorn_Stand wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 8:47 am, Avant Grape <avantnograpec... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>> pauls2... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> What catastrophe has he caused recently?
>>>> He pretty much has behaved himself in Cow Town (something I didn't
>>>> think he would do) but would the Bright Lights/Big City do him in?
>>>> But it is all moot - he didn't opt out and the Kings would rather die
>>>> than trade anything to the Lakers unless it was so lopsided they
>>>> couldn't pass it up (like Butler for Kwame).
>>> Yeah, that's the thing. They'd have to see Odom in a different light
>>> than I see him in, and I'm not sure they are that stupid. But, if they
>>> wanted to do the trade, there's no doubt that Mitch would pull the
>>> trigger IMO.
>>>
>>> -JC
>>
>> We don't need this guy in the locker room messing up the team
>> chemistry. What a huge mistake this would be.
>
>
> So when Sacha and Ronny are gone, who should we bring in for team
> chemistry there? Fact is, Artest fits this team better than Odom, and
> everything else about him as far as how he would affect morale is pure
> speculation. He's very good friends with Lamar Odom and lesser so with
> Kobe. If they like the guy, what does that say about them based on your
> criteria?

It says that you're a nitwit if the best argument you can make for
signing Artest is that he's "good friends with Lamar and Kobe". You're
fixated on this guy despite the fact that he's a headcase who has worn
out his welcome wherever he's gone.
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Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:nJMdk.4742$np7.1654@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:

> mr. gone wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 12:20 pm, Dynasty Reborn <Cal....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 11, 7:19 am, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use....DeleteThis@khaberz.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> mozark <swoon....DeleteThis@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> Artest is nothing like Rodman. They're two completely different
>>>>>> players and men. Check Artest's stats last season and then think
>>>>>> about the D he brings. This is a no-brainer trade and the Lakers
>>>>>> will take it if Sacto is willing to part with Ron. There's no
>>>>>> two ways about it. Thankfully, Laker management won't be running
>>>>>> the team on misguided emotion. Odom out, Artest in =
>>>>>> championship.
>>>>> Co-sign.
>>>> Didn't you complain that last years' Lakers were very unlikeable
>>>> overall? This is not going to get much better by adding Artest...
>>> Who gives a damn about popularity contests. Do you want players
>>> that are likeable and maintain goofy smiles (generally after making
>>> a totally bonehead play), or players that will help you win titles?
>>
>> uh, how many titles has artest won? remember, he had a decent shot in
>> indy - until he decided to go into the stands and beat up the wrong
>> guy, getting suspended and destroying the pacers' chances of winning.
>>
>> like i said, as a celtics fan, i *love* this trade. please do it,
>> mitch!
>
>
> Artest would completely manhandle Pierce. You don't want that trade.
>
12/12/07: Kings at Celtics:
Artest: 7-19, 36.8%, 3RB, 4ast, 16pts
Pierce: 7-15, 46.7%, 6RB, 4ast, 26pts

12/16/07: Celtics at Kings
Artest: 4-15, 26.7%, 6RB, 1ast, 15pts
Pierce: 4-12, 33.3%, 4RB, 6ast, 16pts

Even on the road Pierce got the better of Artest (assuming as you did
above that they go head-to-head) and at home Pierce destroyed Artest.

Let's notch that trade right now, shall we?

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theBZA wrote:
> Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> news:nJMdk.4742$np7.1654@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>
>> mr. gone wrote:
>>> On Jul 11, 12:20 pm, Dynasty Reborn <Cal....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 11, 7:19 am, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use....TakeThisOut@khaberz.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> mozark <swoon....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> Artest is nothing like Rodman. They're two completely different
>>>>>>> players and men. Check Artest's stats last season and then think
>>>>>>> about the D he brings. This is a no-brainer trade and the Lakers
>>>>>>> will take it if Sacto is willing to part with Ron. There's no
>>>>>>> two ways about it. Thankfully, Laker management won't be running
>>>>>>> the team on misguided emotion. Odom out, Artest in =
>>>>>>> championship.
>>>>>> Co-sign.
>>>>> Didn't you complain that last years' Lakers were very unlikeable
>>>>> overall? This is not going to get much better by adding Artest...
>>>> Who gives a damn about popularity contests. Do you want players
>>>> that are likeable and maintain goofy smiles (generally after making
>>>> a totally bonehead play), or players that will help you win titles?
>>> uh, how many titles has artest won? remember, he had a decent shot in
>>> indy - until he decided to go into the stands and beat up the wrong
>>> guy, getting suspended and destroying the pacers' chances of winning.
>>>
>>> like i said, as a celtics fan, i *love* this trade. please do it,
>>> mitch!
>>
>> Artest would completely manhandle Pierce. You don't want that trade.
>>
> 12/12/07: Kings at Celtics:
> Artest: 7-19, 36.8%, 3RB, 4ast, 16pts
> Pierce: 7-15, 46.7%, 6RB, 4ast, 26pts
>
> 12/16/07: Celtics at Kings
> Artest: 4-15, 26.7%, 6RB, 1ast, 15pts
> Pierce: 4-12, 33.3%, 4RB, 6ast, 16pts
>
> Even on the road Pierce got the better of Artest (assuming as you did
> above that they go head-to-head) and at home Pierce destroyed Artest.
>
> Let's notch that trade right now, shall we?
>


Regular season of course is far different than the playoffs, where
Pierce could have to face a highly motivated Artest for an entire
series. As far as "getting the better of," WTF are you talking about?
Artest held Pierce in that second game to 16 points, and there's
ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that he's going to get better offensive looks with
the Lakers. Look at all the freebies Lamar got last season after all.
It's no mystery that Artest is not a great offensive player and that
Pierce is. If Artest can hold Pierce to 16ppg, I'd be satified.

-JC
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Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Q4Pdk.15138$uE5.8298@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com:

> theBZA wrote:
>> Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>> news:nJMdk.4742$np7.1654@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>> mr. gone wrote:
>>>> On Jul 11, 12:20 pm, Dynasty Reborn <Cal....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:19 am, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use....RemoveThis@khaberz.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> mozark <swoon....RemoveThis@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> Artest is nothing like Rodman. They're two completely
>>>>>>>> different players and men. Check Artest's stats last season
>>>>>>>> and then think about the D he brings. This is a no-brainer
>>>>>>>> trade and the Lakers will take it if Sacto is willing to part
>>>>>>>> with Ron. There's no two ways about it. Thankfully, Laker
>>>>>>>> management won't be running the team on misguided emotion.
>>>>>>>> Odom out, Artest in = championship.
>>>>>>> Co-sign.
>>>>>> Didn't you complain that last years' Lakers were very unlikeable
>>>>>> overall? This is not going to get much better by adding Artest...
>>>>> Who gives a damn about popularity contests. Do you want players
>>>>> that are likeable and maintain goofy smiles (generally after
>>>>> making a totally bonehead play), or players that will help you win
>>>>> titles?
>>>> uh, how many titles has artest won? remember, he had a decent shot
>>>> in indy - until he decided to go into the stands and beat up the
>>>> wrong guy, getting suspended and destroying the pacers' chances of
>>>> winning.
>>>>
>>>> like i said, as a celtics fan, i *love* this trade. please do it,
>>>> mitch!
>>>
>>> Artest would completely manhandle Pierce. You don't want that
>>> trade.
>>>
>> 12/12/07: Kings at Celtics:
>> Artest: 7-19, 36.8%, 3RB, 4ast, 16pts
>> Pierce: 7-15, 46.7%, 6RB, 4ast, 26pts
>>
>> 12/16/07: Celtics at Kings
>> Artest: 4-15, 26.7%, 6RB, 1ast, 15pts
>> Pierce: 4-12, 33.3%, 4RB, 6ast, 16pts
>>
>> Even on the road Pierce got the better of Artest (assuming as you did
>> above that they go head-to-head) and at home Pierce destroyed Artest.
>>
>> Let's notch that trade right now, shall we?
>>
>
>
> Regular season of course is far different than the playoffs, where
> Pierce could have to face a highly motivated Artest for an entire

could

> series. As far as "getting the better of," WTF are you talking about?
> Artest held Pierce in that second game to 16 points, and there's

If you look really carefully, you may even need your glasses, Pierce had
one more point, shot 6.6% points better and had 6 times as many assists.
He got outrebounded by 2 so overall he "got the better of Artest". See,
more points, better FG%, more assists = "better"

> ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that he's going to get better offensive looks with

ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT.

> the Lakers. Look at all the freebies Lamar got last season after all.
> It's no mystery that Artest is not a great offensive player and that
> Pierce is. If Artest can hold Pierce to 16ppg, I'd be satified.
>
What if he holds Pierce to 26ppg?

2/20/07: Celtics AT Kings (Pierce missed the other game):
Pierce: 8-15, 53.3%, 6RB, 5ast, 26pts

2 out of the last 3
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theBZA wrote:
> Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

>> that Pierce is. If Artest can hold Pierce to 16ppg, I'd be satified.
>>
> What if he holds Pierce to 26ppg?
>
> 2/20/07: Celtics AT Kings (Pierce missed the other game):
> Pierce: 8-15, 53.3%, 6RB, 5ast, 26pts
>
> 2 out of the last 3

17 games head to head averages

Pierce 21.5 pts, 3.9 asts rbs 5.6 TO 3.4 blk 1 stl 1.4
Artest 15.2 pts 3.4 asts rbs 5.6 TO 2.5 blk .6 stl 2.4


fgp . 3p% FT%
Pierce .438 (6.9 of 15.7) .378 (1.6 of 4.4) .837 (6.1 of 7.2)
Artest .419 ( 5.4 of 12.8) .314 (0.9 of 3.0) .759 ( 3.5 of 4.6)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=pie...a01&p2=
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Gary Collard <dm.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote in news:g58i22$go$4
@registered.motzarella.org:

> RMJon23 wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 11:42�pm, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use....RemoveThis@khaberz.net> wrote:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Artest#Controversy
>>>
>>> No matter what he brings on the court, I'm against it.
>>
>> I agree. Artest is definitely talented, but I consider him mentally
>> ill
>
> Almost certainly.
>
> Rasheed is likely clinical too.
>
Take out "likely".

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"Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> theBZA wrote:
>> Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>
>>> that Pierce is. If Artest can hold Pierce to 16ppg, I'd be
>>> satified.
>>>
>> What if he holds Pierce to 26ppg?
>>
>> 2/20/07: Celtics AT Kings (Pierce missed the other game):
>> Pierce: 8-15, 53.3%, 6RB, 5ast, 26pts
>>
>> 2 out of the last 3
>
> 17 games head to head averages
>
Also:

> Pierce 21.5 pts, 3.9 asts rbs 5.6 TO 3.4 blk 1 stl 1.4
Career: 23.1 ppg, 3.9apg, 6.4rpg, 3.1 to/gm, 0.7bpg, 1.6stl/gm.

Hardly "containment"
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On Jul 14, 2:24 pm, Gary Collard <d....RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote:
> mr. gone wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 4:02 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >> mr. gone wrote:
> >>> On Jul 11, 1:47 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> mr. gone wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 11, 1:38 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> mr. gone wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 11, 1:24 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> mr. gone wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 12:20 pm, Dynasty Reborn <Cal....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:19 am, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use....RemoveThis@khaberz.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> mozark <swoon....RemoveThis@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Artest is nothing like Rodman.  They're two completely different players
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and men.  Check Artest's stats last season and then think about the D he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brings.  This is a no-brainer trade and the Lakers will take it if Sacto
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is willing to part with Ron.  There's no two ways about it.  Thankfully,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Laker management won't be running the team on misguided emotion.  Odom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> out, Artest in = championship.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Co-sign.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Didn't you complain that last years' Lakers were very unlikeable
> >>>>>>>>>>> overall? This is not going to get much better by adding Artest...
> >>>>>>>>>> Who gives a damn about popularity contests.  Do you want players that
> >>>>>>>>>> are likeable and maintain goofy smiles (generally after making a
> >>>>>>>>>> totally bonehead play), or players that will help you win titles?
> >>>>>>>>> uh, how many titles has artest won? remember, he had a decent shot in
> >>>>>>>>> indy - until he decided to go into the stands and beat up the wrong
> >>>>>>>>> guy, getting suspended and destroying the pacers' chances of winning.
> >>>>>>>>> like i said, as a celtics fan, i *love* this trade. please do it,
> >>>>>>>>> mitch!
> >>>>>>>> Artest would completely manhandle Pierce.  You don't want that trade.
> >>>>>>>> -JC-
> >>>>>>> since the lakers wouldn't make the finals with artest, yes, i do.
> >>>>>> Sure we would.  
> >>>>> nope. just ask the pacers how artest helps a championship-caliber
> >>>>> team.
> >>>>>> In fact, we increase our chances that we get back there.
> >>>>> again, ask the pacers.
> >>>> How many years ago was that?
> >>> four. then there's the public demand for a trade after indy gave him a
> >>> huge second chance about a year later...and his legal problems last
> >>> year. yeah, he's *really* grown up in the intervening period.
> >> He's been a heck of a lot better.  Are you going to hold Kobe's or
> >> Pierce's past transgressions against them?  Puhlease.
>
> > this isn't about kobe. as for pierce, what "transgressions", aside
> > from the slightly embarassing bandage-around-the-jaw thing in the
> > playoffs a few years back, has he been involved in?
>
> His quitting on the team that made Vince Carter late in Toronto look like
> an energy guy...was that 2005?  I forget the year exactly, somewhere in
> that time frame, but it was really over the top.
>
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i recall no such incident.
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mr. gone wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:02 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> mr. gone wrote:
>>> On Jul 11, 1:47 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> mr. gone wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 11, 1:38 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> mr. gone wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 1:24 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec... RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> mr. gone wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 12:20 pm, Dynasty Reborn <Cal... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:19 am, Kai Haberzettl <kai-use... RemoveThis @khaberz.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> mozark <swoon... RemoveThis @gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Artest is nothing like Rodman. They're two completely different players
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and men. Check Artest's stats last season and then think about the D he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings. This is a no-brainer trade and the Lakers will take it if Sacto
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is willing to part with Ron. There's no two ways about it. Thankfully,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laker management won't be running the team on misguided emotion. Odom
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, Artest in = championship.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Co-sign.
>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't you complain that last years' Lakers were very unlikeable
>>>>>>>>>>> overall? This is not going to get much better by adding Artest...
>>>>>>>>>> Who gives a damn about popularity contests. Do you want players that
>>>>>>>>>> are likeable and maintain goofy smiles (generally after making a
>>>>>>>>>> totally bonehead play), or players that will help you win titles?
>>>>>>>>> uh, how many titles has artest won? remember, he had a decent shot in
>>>>>>>>> indy - until he decided to go into the stands and beat up the wrong
>>>>>>>>> guy, getting suspended and destroying the pacers' chances of winning.
>>>>>>>>> like i said, as a celtics fan, i *love* this trade. please do it,
>>>>>>>>> mitch!
>>>>>>>> Artest would completely manhandle Pierce. You don't want that trade.
>>>>>>>> -JC-
>>>>>>> since the lakers wouldn't make the finals with artest, yes, i do.
>>>>>> Sure we would.
>>>>> nope. just ask the pacers how artest helps a championship-caliber
>>>>> team.
>>>>>> In fact, we increase our chances that we get back there.
>>>>> again, ask the pacers.
>>>> How many years ago was that?
>>> four. then there's the public demand for a trade after indy gave him a
>>> huge second chance about a year later...and his legal problems last
>>> year. yeah, he's *really* grown up in the intervening period.
>> He's been a heck of a lot better. Are you going to hold Kobe's or
>> Pierce's past transgressions against them? Puhlease.
>
> this isn't about kobe. as for pierce, what "transgressions", aside
> from the slightly embarassing bandage-around-the-jaw thing in the
> playoffs a few years back, has he been involved in?

His quitting on the team that made Vince Carter late in Toronto look like
an energy guy...was that 2005? I forget the year exactly, somewhere in
that time frame, but it was really over the top.

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mr. gone wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2:24 pm, Gary Collard <d....TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote:
>>> this isn't about kobe. as for pierce, what "transgressions", aside
>>> from the slightly embarassing bandage-around-the-jaw thing in the
>>> playoffs a few years back, has he been involved in?
>> His quitting on the team that made Vince Carter late in Toronto look like
>> an energy guy...was that 2005? I forget the year exactly, somewhere in
>> that time frame, but it was really over the top.
>>
> i recall no such incident.

I can dig, you probably weren't following the team very closely while it
was losing big.

It was 2004, I should have remembered because of the Celts uberfan from
whom I heard all too much bitching about it at the time, he traveled a lot
in the 04-5 and 05-06 seasons so it had to be 03-04. I ran across a KD
post that mentions it in passing:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Behind-the-box-sco...where-w

"This isn't to say that the stars in question shouldn't have been taken to
task in years past. Pierce's play in 2003-04 was nearly amongst the most
despicable I've seen in all my years obsessing over this game, Vince Carter
aside. The guy was an absolute mope, and though we don't blame him for
being upset at the direction his team was headed in, lots of great players
have to put up with bad teams. Doesn't mean you give up on games."

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