Malone to the Spurs?

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:20:21 -0500, Prince Albert in a Can wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:10:39 GMT, Henru Rustic wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:45:31 -0500, Prince Albert in a Can blurted:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:15:29 GMT, Konan the Kuffir wrote:
>>>
>>>>Like ewe always dhue...compromise
>>>
>>>I suppose this is meant to be cute, but it's just annoying. Write in
>>>English if you mean for it to be understood as English.
>>>I'll bet you're under 21.
>>
>>And who da pluck r ewe beech? When u git yur suction cups off ma jock, then
>>come up and answer, aight dawg?
>
>Well, I'm not a dumb-ass ghetto wanna-be, that's for damn sure.
>

Correct, you're worse.
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Albert wrote:

> Gary Collard <garycollard RemoveThis @netscape.net> wrote in message news:<40F46FFC.6230C8AA RemoveThis @netscape.net>...
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>
>>>In article <cd0rll$rm5@dispatch.concentric.net>,
>>> "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"I've had serious dialogue with them, and more than once," Malone said.
>>>>"I've talked to coach (Gregg) Popovich two or three times and (general
>>>>manager) R.C. (Buford) one or two times. They call about every other day.
>>>>I've had great dialogue with them."
>>>
>>> Still willing to go whereever he can find some coattail to hang on.
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>
>>Somebody still, after his absence was arguably the deciding factor in the
>>Finals, still throws out this "coattails" idiocy.
>>
>>Wow indeed.
>
>
> Didn't Malone play Game 1, scored a whopping 4 points, and the Lakers
> lost? Then he played parts of Game 2, and the Lakers won in OT?
> He was a non-factor in Games 3 and 4, and didn't even play Game 5.
> Game 1, the Lakers lost by 12 points
> Game 2, Detroit lost by 8 points in OT
> Game 3, Lakers lost by 20 points
> Game 4, Lakers lost by 8 points
> Game 5, Lakers lost by 13 points.

Malone was INJURED, dimwit. The Entire Time.
He shouldn't have played at all.

If Malone is 100% healthy going into the series,
the above would look very different.
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Sports Fan <sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote in
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> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:20:21 -0500, Prince Albert in a Can wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:10:39 GMT, Henru Rustic wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:45:31 -0500, Prince Albert in a Can blurted:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:15:29 GMT, Konan the Kuffir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Like ewe always dhue...compromise
>>>>
>>>>I suppose this is meant to be cute, but it's just annoying. Write
>>>>in English if you mean for it to be understood as English.
>>>>I'll bet you're under 21.
>>>
>>>And who da pluck r ewe beech? When u git yur suction cups off ma
>>>jock, then come up and answer, aight dawg?
>>
>>Well, I'm not a dumb-ass ghetto wanna-be, that's for damn sure.
>>
>
> Correct, you're worse.
>

I hope that wanna-be wording is a joke. If not, then you are a joke! Do
you actually think you seem cool typing like that? Good God! This
country is in trouble.

Balki B.
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Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote in message news:<WJeJc.91862$BB.24828@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
> Albert wrote:
>
> > Gary Collard <garycollard RemoveThis @netscape.net> wrote in message news:<40F46FFC.6230C8AA RemoveThis @netscape.net>...
> >
> >>Ron wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <cd0rll$rm5@dispatch.concentric.net>,
> >>> "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"I've had serious dialogue with them, and more than once," Malone said.
> >>>>"I've talked to coach (Gregg) Popovich two or three times and (general
> >>>>manager) R.C. (Buford) one or two times. They call about every other day.
> >>>>I've had great dialogue with them."
> >>>
> >>> Still willing to go whereever he can find some coattail to hang on.
> >>>
> >>> Wow.
> >>
> >>Somebody still, after his absence was arguably the deciding factor in the
> >>Finals, still throws out this "coattails" idiocy.
> >>
> >>Wow indeed.
> >
> >
> > Didn't Malone play Game 1, scored a whopping 4 points, and the Lakers
> > lost? Then he played parts of Game 2, and the Lakers won in OT?
> > He was a non-factor in Games 3 and 4, and didn't even play Game 5.
> > Game 1, the Lakers lost by 12 points
> > Game 2, Detroit lost by 8 points in OT
> > Game 3, Lakers lost by 20 points
> > Game 4, Lakers lost by 8 points
> > Game 5, Lakers lost by 13 points.
>
> Malone was INJURED, dimwit. The Entire Time.
> He shouldn't have played at all.
>
> If Malone is 100% healthy going into the series,
> the above would look very different.

Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
defensive strategy compared with the Pistons. Sure, he is still a
very good defensive post player in the Spurs series, but do you need
that against the Wallaces? Ben Wallace doesn't need defense, Rasheed
can light it up from the outside.
I am not sure about all those if 100% scenarios, but given the
minutes, Malone didn't played all that great vs. the Pistons,
actually, nobody did, with the exception of Shaq in one game.
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On 15 Jul 2004 07:31:56 -0700, ambchang.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:

>Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
>hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
>wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
>defensive strategy compared with the Pistons.

You must be a complete idiot, a liar, or simply didn't watch the Lakers
vs. Spurs series.

Duncan was put under tight defense by Malone, that, and the Fisher shot,
Kobe's sent the Spurs out the playoffs.

Next time, before you open your mouth, check some facts.
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"Sports Fan" <sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote in message
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> On 15 Jul 2004 07:31:56 -0700, ambchang RemoveThis @hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:
>
> >Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
> >hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
> >wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
> >defensive strategy compared with the Pistons.
>
> You must be a complete idiot, a liar, or simply didn't watch the Lakers
> vs. Spurs series.
>
> Duncan was put under tight defense by Malone, that, and the Fisher shot,
> Kobe's sent the Spurs out the playoffs.
>
> Next time, before you open your mouth, check some facts.

Or just watch some tape. Malone absolutely frustrated Duncan in their
series, but between defending Duncan (one of the best PF's in the game) and
defending Garnett (one of the best players PERIOD), he just didn't have
anything left, especially when he got injured again. Which is what happens
when you're in your 40's. But, to say that he wouldn't have made a
difference if he was healthy is just foolish.
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In article <BlKJc.90360$IQ4.77974@attbi_s02>, "Gandalfe" <a.DeleteThis@b.c> wrote:


> Or just watch some tape. Malone absolutely frustrated Duncan in their
> series, but between defending Duncan (one of the best PF's in the game) and
> defending Garnett (one of the best players PERIOD), he just didn't have
> anything left, especially when he got injured again. Which is what happens
> when you're in your 40's. But, to say that he wouldn't have made a
> difference if he was healthy is just foolish.

Malone is still clearly very capable.

And it's quite possible he got injured because he was pushing himself
too hard, faster than his body could recover.

But the larger issue is that if you build a team around a player who's
that old, even without a history of injury, you need to plan on not
having him go 40 minutes a game throughought the playoffs, as he was
doing when he was healthy.

That's asking for trouble.

While, clearly, Malone's injury played a huge role in the finals
(although I'm not willing to say that the Lakers win with him) he was
playing seven mpg more than he did during the regular season up until
that point.

Is it any surprise he broke down?

-Ron
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Sports Fan <sports.DeleteThis@fan.home> wrote in message news:<6jjdf0hbme048k7ut0ens9cs9igevl8jh4.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
> On 15 Jul 2004 07:31:56 -0700, ambchang.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:
>
> >Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
> >hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
> >wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
> >defensive strategy compared with the Pistons.
>
> You must be a complete idiot, a liar, or simply didn't watch the Lakers
> vs. Spurs series.
>
> Duncan was put under tight defense by Malone, that, and the Fisher shot,
> Kobe's sent the Spurs out the playoffs.
>
> Next time, before you open your mouth, check some facts.

Hmm ... next time, before you open your mouth, read the whole post .

"Sure [Karl Malone], he is still a very good defensive post player in
the Spurs series, but do you need that against the Wallaces?"
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"Gandalfe" <a.DeleteThis@b.c> wrote in message news:<BlKJc.90360$IQ4.77974@attbi_s02>...
> "Sports Fan" <sports.DeleteThis@fan.home> wrote in message
> news:6jjdf0hbme048k7ut0ens9cs9igevl8jh4@4ax.com...
> > On 15 Jul 2004 07:31:56 -0700, ambchang.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:
> >
> > >Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
> > >hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
> > >wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
> > >defensive strategy compared with the Pistons.
> >
> > You must be a complete idiot, a liar, or simply didn't watch the Lakers
> > vs. Spurs series.
> >
> > Duncan was put under tight defense by Malone, that, and the Fisher shot,
> > Kobe's sent the Spurs out the playoffs.
> >
> > Next time, before you open your mouth, check some facts.
>
> Or just watch some tape. Malone absolutely frustrated Duncan in their
> series, but between defending Duncan (one of the best PF's in the game) and
> defending Garnett (one of the best players PERIOD), he just didn't have
> anything left, especially when he got injured again. Which is what happens
> when you're in your 40's. But, to say that he wouldn't have made a
> difference if he was healthy is just foolish.

*Sigh* again, read the whole post. I was referring to Malone on
offense, and that's the Lakers had throughout the Pistons series, they
couldn't score! Malone was not that great on offense throughout the
whole playoffs (except a couple of games vs. the Rockets).
My argument is that Malone's offense sucked, his defense wouldn't
make much difference because Ben Wallace doesn't even need a defender
on him, and Rasheed Wallace is as much an outside shooter as a post
scorer. The Pistons don't score in the blocks, much of their offense
is outside (read Billups, Hamilton, even Prince, Wallace, and Okur).
Sure, Malone may stop a few inside scores, but he would also brick a
bunch of wide open 18 footers (like he did in the Spurs and Wolves
series), negating his effect. Malone in his mid 30's would make a
huge difference, the Malone we saw this year wouldn't
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>
> Malone is still clearly very capable.
>
> And it's quite possible he got injured because he was pushing himself
> too hard, faster than his body could recover.
>
> But the larger issue is that if you build a team around a player who's
> that old, even without a history of injury, you need to plan on not
> having him go 40 minutes a game throughought the playoffs, as he was
> doing when he was healthy.
>
> That's asking for trouble.
>
> While, clearly, Malone's injury played a huge role in the finals
> (although I'm not willing to say that the Lakers win with him) he was
> playing seven mpg more than he did during the regular season up until
> that point.
>
> Is it any surprise he broke down?
>
> -Ron

This is all exactly right. It's a calculated risk/strategy to build
your team around four superstars with basically nobody else,
especially when two of those superstars are, by NBA terms, pretty darn
old. So it's not some bizarre, unfair completely unpredictable twist
of fate that the Lakers had Malone at less than 100% after a full
season and three playoff series. And of course after the Lakers got
by the T-Wolves without Cassell, they are hardly in a position to
complain.

Would Malone have made much of a difference in a series that was
practically a sweep? Maybe the Lakers would have won two games
because of a somewhat improved offense, but Detroit had LA confused
and out of synch on offense most of the series. On the defensive end,
note that the Pistons played without Rasheed for big chunks of all but
one game because of foul trouble, so it's not like the Lakers were
missing Malone's ability to shut down Detroit's number 1 power forward
most of the time. The real problem LA had was the scoring from
Detroit's guards--especially whoever Payton was guarding. Of course
every year has some "but if X hadn't been injured" questions that
can't really be answered, but LA in the finals lacked not just depth
and athleticism, but also poise, and intelligence. It's hard for me
to imagine LA winning the series with Malone more healthy.

But can Karl still play productively another year? Probably.--Joe
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On 16 Jul 2004 07:57:13 -0700, ambchang.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:

>Sports Fan <sports.DeleteThis@fan.home> wrote in message news:<6jjdf0hbme048k7ut0ens9cs9igevl8jh4.DeleteThis@4ax.com>...
>> On 15 Jul 2004 07:31:56 -0700, ambchang.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:
>>
>> >Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
>> >hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
>> >wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
>> >defensive strategy compared with the Pistons.
>>
>> You must be a complete idiot, a liar, or simply didn't watch the Lakers
>> vs. Spurs series.
>>
>> Duncan was put under tight defense by Malone, that, and the Fisher shot,
>> Kobe's sent the Spurs out the playoffs.
>>
>> Next time, before you open your mouth, check some facts.
>
> Hmm ... next time, before you open your mouth, read the whole post .
>
>"Sure [Karl Malone], he is still a very good defensive post player in
>the Spurs series, but do you need that against the Wallaces?"

Nice excuse.

You posted pure bullshit and got called on it.
When you post nonsense, you get educated.
Get used to it.
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On 16 Jul 2004 08:02:02 -0700, ambchang.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:

>"Gandalfe" <a.TakeThisOut@b.c> wrote in message news:<BlKJc.90360$IQ4.77974@attbi_s02>...
>> "Sports Fan" <sports.TakeThisOut@fan.home> wrote in message
>> news:6jjdf0hbme048k7ut0ens9cs9igevl8jh4@4ax.com...
>> > On 15 Jul 2004 07:31:56 -0700, ambchang.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Albert) wrote:
>> >
>> > >Oh no ... not that injured thing again ... Yes, Malone was playing
>> > >hurt in game 1, but before he played hurt in the Wolves series, he
>> > >wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
>> > >defensive strategy compared with the Pistons.
>> >
>> > You must be a complete idiot, a liar, or simply didn't watch the Lakers
>> > vs. Spurs series.
>> >
>> > Duncan was put under tight defense by Malone, that, and the Fisher shot,
>> > Kobe's sent the Spurs out the playoffs.
>> >
>> > Next time, before you open your mouth, check some facts.
>>
>> Or just watch some tape. Malone absolutely frustrated Duncan in their
>> series, but between defending Duncan (one of the best PF's in the game) and
>> defending Garnett (one of the best players PERIOD), he just didn't have
>> anything left, especially when he got injured again. Which is what happens
>> when you're in your 40's. But, to say that he wouldn't have made a
>> difference if he was healthy is just foolish.
>
> *Sigh* again, read the whole post. I was referring to Malone on
>offense,


Really?
Then you must have some weird way of expressing yourself.

"he wasn't playing all that great vs. the Spurs, a team with a similar
defensive strategy compared with the Pistons."


Read your own words.
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