Media unfair to Kobe?

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:42:12 -0700 (PDT), levi <levi.DeleteThis@visi.com> wrote:
>True enough. The reality is that Kobe should not be compared to
>Jordan,
>but instead to Allen Iverson.
Actually the correct comparison would be to compare Kobe with
Mike Tyson.

After all Kobe really should be in jail for raping that woman.

And he should be banned from Basketball.
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cuz the nba wants a "jordan" so much, and if they don't have one.
they'll try to make one up.


"Orwell" <orwellnelson.DeleteThis@usa.com> wrote in message
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> OK, I'm no huge Kobe Bryant fan, but I think the media might be
> treating him unfairly. After watching him throughout the playoffs and
> during the Lakers' televised games, here's my opinion of him:
>
> Kobe Bryant is a great basketball player, clearly on of the best
> players in the NBA.
>
> The end. Not "Unquestionably the greatest player on the planet!" Not
> "The Next Michael Jordan!" Not "Best Basketball Player in the
> Universe!' Not "Absolutely impossble to defend!" Why does the media
> persist in trying ot build this guy up to something that hs isn't?
> Why isn't being "a great basketball player, one of the best in the
> league" not enough for the media?
>
> With the labels and accolades they heap on Bryant, it's going to be
> impossible for him to live up to them. If he has a bad game, it's not
> because there was some blip in the universe that caused an unnatural
> event. It's because another team played good defense or he just had,
> you know, a bad game. During much of the Finals, you could see the LA
> and national media looking at him and saying, "What happened? How
> could this possibly happen?" I almost felt bad for him. They weren't
> letting him just shrug and say, "They played good defense and I shot
> poorly." That has build him up so much that when he didn't meet their
> lofty expectations, they were stunned and disappointed.
>
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> >>> cuz the nba wants a "jordan" so much, and if they don't have one.
> >>> they'll try to make one up.
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> >> I agree.  And I don't know if Kobe really wants that kind of attention
> >> any more.  I saw an interview with him where he was kind of PO'd about
> >> that comparison, citing MJ as the greatest ever.  Seemed a pretty obvious
> >> acknowledgement to me that he realized he wasn't ever going to fill his
> >> shoes.
>
> > I think I might agree with you on this.  If I were Kobe, I'd be pretty
> > tired of the expectations and comparisons...  if the Lakers would have
> > won, I guess that would've brought some degree of validation in people's
> > minds about the comparison, but not so much in mind mind...  I'm a Laker
> > fan and really like Kobe but I just think Jordan is on another level from
> > Kobe...
>
> > This is OK, honestly Jordan is on another level from *every* guard to ever
> > play the game and pretty much every other player at every position except
> > Kareem and Wilt, whom I think he's in a 3-way group with for "best ever.."
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> > To paraphrase Kobe, everyone else is second at best, but that just means
> > first loser.  ;-)
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> Did you really excluded Russell from a group of players best ever... while
> INcluding Kareem?????  HUH???- Hide quoted text -
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<chuckle> Clearly, he meant "best ever LAKERS "...

But I don't see how WIlt is better than West, for example.
IMO, Wilt is in a group with Mikan and Shaq , i.e. dominating
big men, not supremely skilled, but bringing championsips.
Oh yeah, and cause changes in the rulebook to be made.
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> Kobe Bryant is a great basketball player, clearly on of the best
> players in the NBA.

Agreed! He definitely is. Arguably, he has been the best player in the
league for at least the last several years. You know how it is though.
Sports always have to find someone to market. The mediots always need
someone to build up and tear down. Kobe is a talented, and flashy player
playing in one of the country's biggest markets, so he is a great candidate
for all that. That said, when you just look at a guy's stats, Paul Pierce
is no slouch either. Bryant has slightly better overall stats, but Pierce
certainly can hold a candle to him. They are not light years apart by any
stretch as far as ability. Pierce definitely kicked Bryant's ass in this
series and he deserves his props. I don't blame Bryant though for his
performance (or lack of). He had to play against a FAR tougher defense then
the Lakers showed PP. Here's to many epic battles between those two teams
in the coming years....
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Career FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO
Stl Blk PF PPG
1998-99 BOS 48 34:00 5.9 13.5 43.9 1.8 4.3 41.2 2.9 4.1 71.3
2.4 4.0 6.4 2.4 2.4 1.7 1.0 2.9 16.5
1999-00 BOS 73 35:23 6.7 15.1 44.2 1.3 3.8 34.3 4.9 6.2 79.8
1.1 4.3 5.4 3.0 2.4 2.1 0.9 3.3 19.6
2000-01 BOS 82 38:00 8.4 18.5 45.4 1.8 4.7 38.3 6.7 9.0 74.5
1.2 5.2 6.4 3.1 3.2 1.7 0.8 3.1 25.3
2001-02 BOS 82 40:17 8.6 19.5 44.2 2.6 6.3 40.4 6.3 7.8 80.9
1.0 5.9 6.9 3.2 2.9 1.9 1.1 2.9 26.2
2002-03 BOS 79 39:12 8.4 20.2 41.7 1.5 5.0 30.2 7.7 9.5 80.2
1.3 6.0 7.3 4.4 3.7 1.8 0.8 2.9 25.9
2003-04 BOS 80 38:42 7.5 18.7 40.2 1.4 4.8 30.0 6.5 7.9 81.9
0.9 5.7 6.5 5.1 3.8 1.6 0.7 2.9 23.0
2004-05 BOS 82 36:06 6.8 14.9 45.5 1.3 3.6 37.0 6.7 8.2 82.2
1.0 5.6 6.6 4.2 2.8 1.6 0.5 3.1 21.6
2005-06 BOS 79 39:00 8.7 18.5 47.1 1.4 4.0 35.4 7.9 10.3 77.2
1.0 5.7 6.7 4.8 3.5 1.4 0.4 2.8 26.8
2006-07 BOS 47 37:00 7.9 18.1 43.9 2.3 5.9 38.9 6.8 8.6 79.6
0.8 5.1 5.9 4.1 3.2 1.0 0.3 2.6 25.0
2007-08 BOS 80 35:53 6.4 13.7 46.4 1.8 4.6 39.2 5.1 6.1 84.3
0.7 4.5 5.1 4.5 2.8 1.3 0.5 2.5 19.6
Career 732 37:36 7.6 17.2 44.2 1.7 4.7 36.3 6.3 7.9 79.5 1.1
5.3 6.4 4.0 3.1 1.6 0.7 2.9 23.2

Paul Pierce Career Totals


Career Averages

Career FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO
Stl Blk PF PPG
1996-97 LAL 71 15:30 2.5 5.9 41.7 0.7 1.9 37.5 1.9 2.3 81.9
0.7 1.2 1.9 1.3 1.6 0.7 0.3 1.4 7.6
1997-98 LAL 79 26:00 5.0 11.6 42.8 1.0 2.8 34.1 4.6 5.8 79.4
1.0 2.1 3.1 2.5 2.0 0.9 0.5 2.3 15.4
1998-99 LAL 50 37:53 7.2 15.6 46.5 0.5 2.0 26.7 4.9 5.8 83.9
1.1 4.2 5.3 3.8 3.1 1.4 1.0 3.1 19.9
1999-00 LAL 66 38:12 8.4 17.9 46.8 0.7 2.2 31.9 5.0 6.1 82.1
1.6 4.7 6.3 4.9 2.8 1.6 0.9 3.3 22.5
2000-01 LAL 68 40:53 10.3 22.2 46.4 0.9 2.9 30.5 7.0 8.2 85.3
1.5 4.3 5.9 5.0 3.2 1.7 0.6 3.3 28.5
2001-02 LAL 80 38:17 9.4 20.0 46.9 0.4 1.7 25.0 6.1 7.4 82.9
1.4 4.1 5.5 5.5 2.8 1.5 0.4 2.9 25.2
2002-03 LAL 82 41:30 10.6 23.5 45.1 1.5 4.0 38.3 7.3 8.7 84.3
1.3 5.6 6.9 5.9 3.5 2.2 0.8 2.7 30.0
2003-04 LAL 65 37:36 7.9 18.1 43.8 1.1 3.3 32.7 7.0 8.2 85.2
1.6 3.9 5.5 5.1 2.6 1.7 0.4 2.7 24.0
2004-05 LAL 66 40:42 8.7 20.1 43.3 2.0 5.9 33.9 8.2 10.1 81.6
1.4 4.5 5.9 6.0 4.1 1.3 0.8 2.6 27.6
2005-06 LAL 80 41:00 12.2 27.2 45.0 2.3 6.5 34.8 8.7 10.2 85.0
0.9 4.4 5.3 4.5 3.1 1.8 0.4 2.9 35.4
2006-07 LAL 77 40:47 10.6 22.8 46.3 1.8 5.2 34.4 8.7 10.0 86.9
1.0 4.7 5.7 5.4 3.3 1.4 0.5 2.7 31.6
2007-08 LAL 82 38:53 9.5 20.6 45.9 1.8 5.1 36.1 7.6 9.1 84.0
1.2 5.2 6.3 5.4 3.1 1.8 0.5 2.8 28.3
Career 866 36:30 8.6 19.0 45.3 1.3 3.7 34.0 6.5 7.7 83.9 1.2
4.1 5.3 4.6 2.9 1.5 0.6 2.7 25.0

Kobe Bryant Career Totals
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"Ego" <d RemoveThis @d.com> wrote in message news:w7u6k.16452$Jx.9225@pd7urf1no...
> cuz the nba wants a "jordan" so much, and if they don't have one.
> they'll try to make one up.

I agree. And I don't know if Kobe really wants that kind of attention any
more. I saw an interview with him where he was kind of PO'd about that
comparison, citing MJ as the greatest ever. Seemed a pretty obvious
acknowledgement to me that he realized he wasn't ever going to fill his
shoes.
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"Skeptic" <bcs002b DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Ego" <d DeleteThis @d.com> wrote in message news:w7u6k.16452$Jx.9225@pd7urf1no...
>> cuz the nba wants a "jordan" so much, and if they don't have one.
>> they'll try to make one up.
>
> I agree. And I don't know if Kobe really wants that kind of attention any
> more. I saw an interview with him where he was kind of PO'd about that
> comparison, citing MJ as the greatest ever. Seemed a pretty obvious
> acknowledgement to me that he realized he wasn't ever going to fill his
> shoes.

I think I might agree with you on this. If I were Kobe, I'd be pretty tired
of the expectations and comparisons... if the Lakers would have won, I
guess that would've brought some degree of validation in people's minds
about the comparison, but not so much in mind mind... I'm a Laker fan and
really like Kobe but I just think Jordan is on another level from Kobe...

This is OK, honestly Jordan is on another level from *every* guard to ever
play the game and pretty much every other player at every position except
Kareem and Wilt, whom I think he's in a 3-way group with for "best ever."

To paraphrase Kobe, everyone else is second at best, but that just means
first loser. ;-)

brink
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<d6af0e55-29e5-4141-9dd1-abd607684dd7.TakeThisOut@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
orwellnelson.TakeThisOut@usa.com says...
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>OK, I'm no huge Kobe Bryant fan, but I think the media might be
>treating him unfairly.

Really?
1) he choked in the playoffs again
2) he's never been able to lead a team to the championship (Shaq did, he
didn't)
3) he publicly proclaimed during the offseason he didn't want to play for the
Lakers this year (good way to build team morale)
4) he paid off his victim and his wife (that's someone to teach your kids to
admire!)
And you think the media is treating him unfairly?
The Lakers would be best off to get rid of his horn dog ass.
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"Electrician" <electrician.RemoveThis@xo.com> wrote in message
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> The Lakers would be best off to get rid of his horn dog ass.

THE MORALLY DEGENERATE LA LOSERS FAN BASE WOULD NEVER ACCEPT THIS!!!! THEY
WORSHIP THAT RAT FACED MOROCCO MOLE LOOKING ASSWIPE WIPE!!!!!

READ THE REST OF THEIR LAME ASSED NG...KOBE IS GOD AND THEY ALL ASPIRE TO BE
LIKE HIM. THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ALREADY ARE JUST LIKE HIM...FAKE!!!!
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"brink" <brinknospam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ego" <d DeleteThis @d.com> wrote in message news:w7u6k.16452$Jx.9225@pd7urf1no...
>>> cuz the nba wants a "jordan" so much, and if they don't have one.
>>> they'll try to make one up.
>>
>> I agree. And I don't know if Kobe really wants that kind of attention
>> any more. I saw an interview with him where he was kind of PO'd about
>> that comparison, citing MJ as the greatest ever. Seemed a pretty obvious
>> acknowledgement to me that he realized he wasn't ever going to fill his
>> shoes.
>
> I think I might agree with you on this. If I were Kobe, I'd be pretty
> tired of the expectations and comparisons... if the Lakers would have
> won, I guess that would've brought some degree of validation in people's
> minds about the comparison, but not so much in mind mind... I'm a Laker
> fan and really like Kobe but I just think Jordan is on another level from
> Kobe...
>
> This is OK, honestly Jordan is on another level from *every* guard to ever
> play the game and pretty much every other player at every position except
> Kareem and Wilt, whom I think he's in a 3-way group with for "best ever."
>
> To paraphrase Kobe, everyone else is second at best, but that just means
> first loser. ;-)

Did you really excluded Russell from a group of players best ever... while
INcluding Kareem????? HUH???
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Skeptic wrote:
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>> "Skeptic" <bcs002b.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Ego" <d.RemoveThis@d.com> wrote in message
>>> news:w7u6k.16452$Jx.9225@pd7urf1no...
>>>> cuz the nba wants a "jordan" so much, and if they don't have one.
>>>> they'll try to make one up.
>>>
>>> I agree. And I don't know if Kobe really wants that kind of
>>> attention any more. I saw an interview with him where he was kind
>>> of PO'd about that comparison, citing MJ as the greatest ever.
>>> Seemed a pretty obvious acknowledgement to me that he realized he
>>> wasn't ever going to fill his shoes.
>>
>> I think I might agree with you on this. If I were Kobe, I'd be
>> pretty tired of the expectations and comparisons... if the Lakers
>> would have won, I guess that would've brought some degree of
>> validation in people's minds about the comparison, but not so much
>> in mind mind... I'm a Laker fan and really like Kobe but I just
>> think Jordan is on another level from Kobe...
>>
>> This is OK, honestly Jordan is on another level from *every* guard
>> to ever play the game and pretty much every other player at every
>> position except Kareem and Wilt, whom I think he's in a 3-way group
>> with for "best ever."
>>
>> To paraphrase Kobe, everyone else is second at best, but that just
>> means first loser. ;-)
>
> Did you really excluded Russell from a group of players best ever...
> while INcluding Kareem????? HUH???

Is your newsreader broken?

brink
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Spot on - the Jordan comparison have always been silly and made Kobe look
bad by association with the idiots making it.

Orwell wrote:
> OK, I'm no huge Kobe Bryant fan, but I think the media might be
> treating him unfairly. After watching him throughout the playoffs and
> during the Lakers' televised games, here's my opinion of him:
>
> Kobe Bryant is a great basketball player, clearly on of the best
> players in the NBA.
>
> The end. Not "Unquestionably the greatest player on the planet!" Not
> "The Next Michael Jordan!" Not "Best Basketball Player in the
> Universe!' Not "Absolutely impossble to defend!" Why does the media
> persist in trying ot build this guy up to something that hs isn't?
> Why isn't being "a great basketball player, one of the best in the
> league" not enough for the media?
>
> With the labels and accolades they heap on Bryant, it's going to be
> impossible for him to live up to them. If he has a bad game, it's not
> because there was some blip in the universe that caused an unnatural
> event. It's because another team played good defense or he just had,
> you know, a bad game. During much of the Finals, you could see the LA
> and national media looking at him and saying, "What happened? How
> could this possibly happen?" I almost felt bad for him. They weren't
> letting him just shrug and say, "They played good defense and I shot
> poorly." That has build him up so much that when he didn't meet their
> lofty expectations, they were stunned and disappointed.
>


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