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Mark Foskey

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:03 pm
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Behind every great comeback, there's a choke. Some games more of the
credit goes to the team coming back, and some games more of the blame
goes to the team that collapses. This one looked more on the choke
side to me. Georgetown did take advantage of their opportunities, but
on defense just about all they had to do was wait for the long
rebounds.

You can break it down a lot of different ways. Those outside shots we
kept trying weren't our strength this year (where's Rashad when we
need him), but statistically one or two of them should have gone in
before the end of regulation. So that just boils down to bad luck or
wishing they'd practiced better earlier. Or were naturally better
shots.

There are obviously decisions that could have been made differently.
I can't see why they kept settling for outside shots. Our inside game
had been working pretty well, so I'm baffled.

You can also take a historical perspective. This sort of thing has
happened to us already more than once this year, against weaker teams
than Georgetown. And the reason is that they're young. The Carolina
teams that have won it all have all been older (and shallower, FWIW),
and I think the other final four teams mostly have been older too.
Granted, it'd be hard for them to be any younger.

The game looked like a great one for a neutral fan to watch. Lots of
dunks, pretty fast pace, a big comeback, and overtime. Too bad I'm
not a neutral fan.

Oh, and I agree with some other posters. Roy Must Go. Replace him
with somebody that has a decent career winning percentage and some
final four experience.

What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!

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Steve Cutchen

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:30 am
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In article <1174885391.488291.271440.RemoveThis@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Mark Foskey <mark.foskey.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Behind every great comeback, there's a choke. Some games more of the
> credit goes to the team coming back, and some games more of the blame
> goes to the team that collapses. This one looked more on the choke
> side to me. Georgetown did take advantage of their opportunities, but
> on defense just about all they had to do was wait for the long
> rebounds.
>
> You can break it down a lot of different ways. Those outside shots we
> kept trying weren't our strength this year (where's Rashad when we
> need him), but statistically one or two of them should have gone in
> before the end of regulation. So that just boils down to bad luck or
> wishing they'd practiced better earlier. Or were naturally better
> shots.
>
> There are obviously decisions that could have been made differently.
> I can't see why they kept settling for outside shots. Our inside game
> had been working pretty well, so I'm baffled.
>
> You can also take a historical perspective. This sort of thing has
> happened to us already more than once this year, against weaker teams
> than Georgetown. And the reason is that they're young. The Carolina
> teams that have won it all have all been older (and shallower, FWIW),
> and I think the other final four teams mostly have been older too.
> Granted, it'd be hard for them to be any younger.
>
> The game looked like a great one for a neutral fan to watch. Lots of
> dunks, pretty fast pace, a big comeback, and overtime. Too bad I'm
> not a neutral fan.
>
> Oh, and I agree with some other posters. Roy Must Go. Replace him
> with somebody that has a decent career winning percentage and some
> final four experience.
>
> What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
> just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!


Now THIS is a North Carolina Tarheel basketball fan.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:24 am
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"Mark Foskey" <mark.foskey.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1174885391.488291.271440@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> Oh, and I agree with some other posters. Roy Must Go. Replace him
> with somebody that has a decent career winning percentage and some
> final four experience.
>
> What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
> just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!

Roy just duplicated what he did at Kansas time and time again. His team had
no mental toughness, and choked. When you see the same pattern repeated
over and over, you begin to discern that the one constant factor is the
coach, not the players. He has no mental toughness, and the team can't draw
anything positive from him in crunch time, because he is wimping out.

I hate to say it, but NCAA basketball is following the pattern of the NFL.
Get as many streetball punks as you can, and a like minded coach for them.
John Thompson III follows his daddy's footsteps perfectly. This doesn't
bode well for Duke and Carolina, who have always taken the game to the top
levels. Looks like the game may be descending into streetball. This year's
Final Four certainly seems to reflect that.

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Steve Cutchen

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:24 am
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In article <56pap6F28naoeU1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>, elaich <a DeleteThis @b.c> wrote:

> "Mark Foskey" <mark.foskey DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1174885391.488291.271440@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Oh, and I agree with some other posters. Roy Must Go. Replace him
> > with somebody that has a decent career winning percentage and some
> > final four experience.
> >
> > What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
> > just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!
>
> Roy just duplicated what he did at Kansas time and time again. His team had
> no mental toughness, and choked.

THIS, on the other hand, is not.
This is a whiney child whose pacifier has been taken away.

> I hate to say it, but NCAA basketball is following the pattern of the NFL.
> Get as many streetball punks as you can, and a like minded coach for them.
> John Thompson III follows his daddy's footsteps perfectly. This doesn't
> bode well for Duke and Carolina, who have always taken the game to the top
> levels. Looks like the game may be descending into streetball. This year's
> Final Four certainly seems to reflect that.

Yup. That city ball all them ignorant black folks play, right, dood?

Georgetown... stole their offense from that bastion of streetball
punks in Princton.

I bet Mark is just tickled that you'll be moving on to root for someone
other than Carolina and their terrible, poor shooting coaching staff.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:26 am
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"elaich" <a RemoveThis @b.c> wrote in message news:56pap6F28naoeU1@mid.individual.net...

> I hate to say it, but NCAA basketball is following the pattern of the NFL.
> Get as many streetball punks as you can, and a like minded coach for them.
> John Thompson III follows his daddy's footsteps perfectly. This doesn't
> bode well for Duke and Carolina, who have always taken the game to the top
> levels. Looks like the game may be descending into streetball. This year's
> Final Four certainly seems to reflect that.

Exactly. The Georgetown team has too many negroes with tattoos and strange
and threatening hairstyles. Not like the nice negroes who play at NC and
Duke and other antebellum schools. Adolph Rupp is spinning in his grave. The
darkies already have tap dancing and bebop, why can't they leave basketball
to us.
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Steve Cutchen

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:22 pm
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In article <4607addb$0$17191$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, foaddoc
<foad.RemoveThis@yourearliestconvenience.com> wrote:

> "elaich" <a.RemoveThis@b.c> wrote in message news:56pap6F28naoeU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > I hate to say it, but NCAA basketball is following the pattern of the NFL.
> > Get as many streetball punks as you can, and a like minded coach for them.
> > John Thompson III follows his daddy's footsteps perfectly. This doesn't
> > bode well for Duke and Carolina, who have always taken the game to the top
> > levels. Looks like the game may be descending into streetball. This year's
> > Final Four certainly seems to reflect that.
>
> Exactly. The Georgetown team has too many negroes with tattoos and strange
> and threatening hairstyles. Not like the nice negroes who play at NC and
> Duke and other antebellum schools. Adolph Rupp is spinning in his grave. The
> darkies already have tap dancing and bebop, why can't they leave basketball
> to us.

That was freaking awesome.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:39 pm
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"Steve Cutchen" <maxfaq.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:260320071222109068%maxfaq@earthlink.net...
> In article <4607addb$0$17191$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, foaddoc
> <foad.RemoveThis@yourearliestconvenience.com> wrote:
>
>> "elaich" <a.RemoveThis@b.c> wrote in message
>> news:56pap6F28naoeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> > I hate to say it, but NCAA basketball is following the pattern of the
>> > NFL.
>> > Get as many streetball punks as you can, and a like minded coach for
>> > them.
>> > John Thompson III follows his daddy's footsteps perfectly. This doesn't
>> > bode well for Duke and Carolina, who have always taken the game to the
>> > top
>> > levels. Looks like the game may be descending into streetball. This
>> > year's
>> > Final Four certainly seems to reflect that.
>>
>> Exactly. The Georgetown team has too many negroes with tattoos and
>> strange
>> and threatening hairstyles. Not like the nice negroes who play at NC and
>> Duke and other antebellum schools. Adolph Rupp is spinning in his grave.
>> The
>> darkies already have tap dancing and bebop, why can't they leave
>> basketball
>> to us.
>
> That was freaking awesome.

Ooooo, I smell another POTW. Barnes, Donnie Barnes; Mr. Barnes to the white
courtesy telephone.
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Mark Foskey

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:51 pm
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On Mar 26, 6:51 pm, Charlie Board <charNOTlieORTHISbo....RemoveThis@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
> Steve Cutchen wrote:
> > Georgetown... stole their offense from that bastion of streetball
> > punks in Princton.
>
> And they ran it very, very well over those last 10 minutes. With all
> the talk of a UNC meltdown people seem to have overlooked that
> Georgetown was playing some mighty fine, mighty well-integrated
> (pun intended) team-oriented basketball. On both ends.

Yeah, Georgetown did play well down the stretch. I do have to give
them that.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:54 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:48 pm
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Mark Foskey wrote:
some other posters. Roy Must Go. Replace him
> with somebody that has a decent career winning percentage and some
> final four experience.
>
> What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
> just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!
>

You know you won't be happy until you have Herb Sendek.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:51 pm
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Steve Cutchen wrote:

>>I hate to say it, but NCAA basketball is following the pattern of the NFL.
>>Get as many streetball punks as you can, and a like minded coach for them.
>>John Thompson III follows his daddy's footsteps perfectly. This doesn't
>>bode well for Duke and Carolina, who have always taken the game to the top
>>levels. Looks like the game may be descending into streetball. This year's
>>Final Four certainly seems to reflect that.
>
>
> Yup. That city ball all them ignorant black folks play, right, dood?
>
> Georgetown... stole their offense from that bastion of streetball
> punks in Princton.

And they ran it very, very well over those last 10 minutes. With all
the talk of a UNC meltdown people seem to have overlooked that
Georgetown was playing some mighty fine, mighty well-integrated
(oun intended) team-oriented basketball. On both ends.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:57 pm
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Charlie Board writes:

> Mark Foskey wrote:

>> Roy Must Go. Replace him with somebody that has a decent career
>> winning percentage and some final four experience.
>>
>> What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
>> just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!

> You know you won't be happy until you have Herb Sendek.

Nah; Steve Alford.

No, wait a minute: Quin Snyder.

Ach: Matt Doherty!

Oh, wait a minute, he's been there, done that...
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:19 pm
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elaich wrote:

>"Mark Foskey" <mark.foskey.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:1174885391.488291.271440@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>>Oh, and I agree with some other posters. Roy Must Go. Replace him
>>with somebody that has a decent career winning percentage and some
>>final four experience.
>>
>>What's that? There aren't any? Don't confuse me with facts! My team
>>just lost and I'm mad! Heads must roll!
>
>Roy just duplicated what he did at Kansas time and time again. His team had
>no mental toughness, and choked. When you see the same pattern repeated
>over and over, you begin to discern that the one constant factor is the
>coach, not the players. He has no mental toughness, and the team can't draw
>anything positive from him in crunch time, because he is wimping out.

Even if we ignore the fact that Doherty's recruits won the 2005
championship, we can see that they almost collapsed as well in the title
game. The score was tied 70-70 late, and Illinois had some open
three-pointers that they didn't hit. Easily could have ended up a blown
15 point lead.
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