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On Wed, 28 Mar, Mark Foskey wrote:
> That seems about right, now that you mention it, but now I'm curious
> -- why didn't teams throw zone at us more? You'd think we'd be the
> team you'd want to use it against, with our front line strength and
> mediocre outside shooting. Is 3% more than most teams get? Or are
> zones weak against a good driving point guard?

We probably saw more zone than that, but I discount any data from *very*
weak teams that had little chance of beating us either way. That's because
you don't learn anything by beating *those* zones anyway.

Why didn't we see more? I don't know. It's just not what's taught these
days, so teams aren't willing to try to learn it for just one game against
us. Some coaches just despise zone...Roy and Coach K are examples.


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On Wed, 28 Mar, George W Harris wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:34:07 -0500, "tarheels_fan" <tarheels_fan> wrote:
>:I don't buy the youth excuse. I believe UCLA last year was just as young
>:as UNC this year. I believe Ohio St is also just as young as UNC.
>
> While I don't buy the youth excuse for UNC
> either, I really don't by it for tOSU, either; while they
> have two very important freshman, the majority of
> court time is taken by juniors and seniors.

Err, that's not true of UNC. The majority of the court time was freshmen
and sophomores by a long shot.

And let's not make it sound like I think "youth" is why UNC lost. Youth
doesn't make you miss open shots. But it does contribute to the taking of
some questionable shots, as well as nerves when taking shots at all.
Georgetown took the momentum and *something* happened that in my mind
having experienced should allow them to fight it off better next time.
Call it "youth" or just "experience" or whatever...but Lawson and Ellington
played pretty badly, particularly down the stretch.


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On 28 Mar 2007 03:02:42 GMT, Donnie Barnes
<djbSPAMSUCKS.DeleteThis@donniebarnes.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 28 Mar, George W Harris wrote:
:> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:34:07 -0500, "tarheels_fan" <tarheels_fan> wrote:
:>:I don't buy the youth excuse. I believe UCLA last year was just as young
:>:as UNC this year. I believe Ohio St is also just as young as UNC.
:>
:> While I don't buy the youth excuse for UNC
:> either, I really don't by it for tOSU, either; while they
:> have two very important freshman, the majority of
:> court time is taken by juniors and seniors.
:
:Err, that's not true of UNC. The majority of the court time was freshmen
:and sophomores by a long shot.

Trying parsing my sentence again.

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On Wed, 28 Mar, George W Harris wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2007 22:21:38 GMT, Donnie Barnes
><djbSPAMSUCKS DeleteThis @donniebarnes.com> wrote:
>:IMHO, we simply don't have players experienced enough at dealing with zones
>:properly. It's much more complicated than man to man, and still a bit more
>:complicated than doubling situations in a man to man to deal with a zone
>:PROPERLY.
>
> Gosh, if only the university employed someone whose
> job it was to prepare the players for dealing with different
> situations that arise in basketball games, and advise them
> what actions might be appropriate! It's to bad there wasn't
> someone like that on the UNC bench.

They had one day to prepare for this team, and they are all incredibly
young. I'm just saying those are reasons why they weren't better at it
than they were, that's all. Could they have been better? Sure. But at
what expense? There's a finite amount of practice time available, and
apparently it got used in other ways. I'm not one to question those
details, though. What Roy did got us "dang" far, and I'm fine with it.
I'm not making excuses, just trying to point out why I think the things
that happened, happened. *shrug*


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On Wed, 28 Mar, tarheels_fan wrote:
> Donnie Barnes wrote:
>>So I still don't think we played as
>>horribly against the zone as you (or the others who have been much worse)
>>infer.
>
> Can't do much worse than missing 22 of 23 shots.

Missing open shots is not the fault of the overall offense. *shrug* Sure,
if every shot had been a bad one you'd have a point. But they weren't.

>>But I honestly don't
>>know what the coach knows about the condition of either player and how they
>>act in those situations, either. Seemed like to me Reyshawn would have
>>been a better choice, but he may have been worried about how that bug had
>>been affecting him.
>
> Didn't affect him on his 2 threes in the first half.

That was the first half. He lost something like eight pounds in a week of
being sick. His body just wasn't back to normal yet.


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George W Harris wrote:

> On 28 Mar 2007 03:06:02 GMT, Donnie Barnes
> <djbSPAMSUCKS RemoveThis @donniebarnes.com> wrote:
>
> :> Gosh, if only the university employed someone whose
> :> job it was to prepare the players for dealing with different
> :> situations that arise in basketball games, and advise them
> :> what actions might be appropriate! It's to bad there wasn't
> :> someone like that on the UNC bench.
> :
> :They had one day to prepare for this team, and they are all incredibly
> :young.
>
> They aren't all incredibly young. Hell, Hansbrough
> turned 21 before UNC played its first game. They've got
> three upperclassmen who play meaningful minutes,
> incuding a senior starter. And you don't wait until the
> postseason to teach your team how to play against the
> zone.

You gotta give Donnie his due. If you have short time to prepare for a
Princeton offense, you spend precious little brushing up on zone
situations for the offense.

I expected, going in, for UNC to show the standard 1/3 to 1/2 of the
game trying to adjust to hardcore backdoor cuts. They did better than that.

But so young is the new standard in college basketball, so programs with
set schemes that outlast the players are advantaged. Like UNC's flex.
Like Duke's hard 21 and motion offense. Like Georgetown's athletic
Princeton, at least this week.

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Charlie Board wrote:

>
>
> larrytxeast RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Simply enough, I could not believe all the 3s Carolina was hoisting up
>> all of a sudden. Why in the WORLD would they do such a thing? They had
>> Tyler Hansbrough and Brandan Wright to throw to, and heck Deon
>> Thomspon as well while we're at it. All 3 had been killing Georgetown,
>> scoring and drawing fouls as well. why fire all those 3s in that
>> situation? It's called force-feed that puppy to Number 50 and get the
>> freak out of the way.
>
>
>
> Just to bring a little perspective to that argument:
> FIRST 6:40 OF GAME: UNC attempted zero 3's, outscored by GT
> NEXT 26:50 : UNC attemts *11* 3's, blows out GT
> LAST 6:31 (REG) : UNC attempts 5 3's, gets blown out
> (all according to ESPN play-by-plays)
>
> I don't see a pattern of success/failure wrt to how many 3's
> UNC was trying. The problem wasn't taking too many....it was
> missing them all.

I swear to god, Charlie, where do you get off bringing stats into this
perfectly wonderful internecine UNC bloodletting?

In your own conscience now?

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On 28 Mar 2007 13:26:39 GMT, Donnie Barnes
<djbSPAMSUCKS.RemoveThis@donniebarnes.com> wrote:

:On Wed, 28 Mar, Jason Bell wrote:
:> I swear to god, Charlie, where do you get off bringing stats into this
:> perfectly wonderful internecine UNC bloodletting?
:
:Low hanging fruit syndrome.
:
:It is fun to note how Jason and George come back to life after the UNC loss
:but didn't have much to say after the Duke one. VCU?!?! ;-)

Not much to say. Duke had trouble against teams
with athletic guards who are good at driving the lane. VSU
had athletic guards who are good at driving the lane.
:
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"Donnie Barnes" <djbSPAMSUCKS.RemoveThis@donniebarnes.com> wrote

> > I swear to god, Charlie, where do you get off bringing stats into this
> > perfectly wonderful internecine UNC bloodletting?
>
> Low hanging fruit syndrome.
>
> It is fun to note how Jason and George come back to life after the UNC loss
> but didn't have much to say after the Duke one. VCU?!?! ;-)

No props for the drunk guy. Noted. Your team choked
like a chicken. As did mine. Let's make soup!

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On Wed, 28 Mar, Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute wrote:
> The two teams were 1/2 all year. On the deciding play, UNC knew a pass was
> coming from their film study. Felton jumped the pass and made the steal.

Felton also hit a "stupid" three pointer down the closing stretch from NBA
range, too. Very similar shot to several that UNC missed this year.


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On Wed, 28 Mar, George W Harris wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2007 03:02:42 GMT, Donnie Barnes
><djbSPAMSUCKS.RemoveThis@donniebarnes.com> wrote:
>
>:On Wed, 28 Mar, George W Harris wrote:
>:> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:34:07 -0500, "tarheels_fan" <tarheels_fan> wrote:
>:>:I don't buy the youth excuse. I believe UCLA last year was just as young
>:>:as UNC this year. I believe Ohio St is also just as young as UNC.
>:>
>:> While I don't buy the youth excuse for UNC
>:> either, I really don't by it for tOSU, either; while they
>:> have two very important freshman, the majority of
>:> court time is taken by juniors and seniors.
>:
>:Err, that's not true of UNC. The majority of the court time was freshmen
>:and sophomores by a long shot.
>
> Trying parsing my sentence again.

No, I got it, it just seemed like you were talking about *both* tOSU and
UNC in your closing stanza. If you weren't, what's your claim about why
UNC can't use a youth excuse?

Hansbrough being 21 makes very little sense to me. The first reason is
that, well, he's one of the few who *did* play well in this game and it's
not in his control as much as to whether he gets the ball down the stretch
anyway. He single handedly kept them *in* the game in the first half. The
second reason is he still only has now two seasons of experience. "Youth"
is just as much about "experience" at this level as it is how old you are.


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On Wed, 28 Mar, Jason Bell wrote:
> I swear to god, Charlie, where do you get off bringing stats into this
> perfectly wonderful internecine UNC bloodletting?

Low hanging fruit syndrome.

It is fun to note how Jason and George come back to life after the UNC loss
but didn't have much to say after the Duke one. VCU?!?! ;-)


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