Payton "I ain't coming back"

i've always wondered who the 4th one was.....does ANYONE truly believe
payton is HoF material?

lee
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> "mikeg" <mgervaisunspam.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > > The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
> >
> > To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a
> younger
> > PG.
> >
> >
>
> My, how the vaunted "Four Hall of Famers" have fallen...
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"Lee Watkins" <spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins RemoveThis @falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote in
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> i've always wondered who the 4th one was.....does ANYONE truly believe
> payton is HoF material?

Yes. Me.

I understand that this last year has tarnished Payton's reputation, and his
best years were played tucked away in the Northwest, but consider if you
will that for a stretch of years that Payton was arguably the best player at
his position in the league on *both* sides of the ball. Add to that his
defensive player of the year award (very rare for a guard, even more rare
for a point guard), his strong statistics, his two Finals appearances, and
the fact that he played at an extremely high level for a long time, and you
have a HOF member. IMO, anyway.

There are compelling arguments against him as well, and he probably won't be
a unanimous choice, but this isn't Tim Hardaway or Mark Jackson we're
talking about here. Gary Payton's body of work is very strong.

Cheers,
Chris Hafner
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> Payton said Monday that if O'Neal indeed is traded to the Heat he might
> ask
> the Lakers to let him go.
>
> "If they don't sign Karl back, then I'll probably get up out of here,"
> Payton said by phone. "They're going to buy me out or trade me, or
> something. If Karl don't come back, I ain't coming back."
>
> "I mean, what team are they going to put on the floor?" Payton asked.
>
> "Dude (O'Neal) is gone now," Payton said. "That's why I came out here. He
> left. He did that to us. I really ain't tripping off of that. But it ain't
> going to be like last year when I can't play basketball. It's going to be
> a
> lot different."

The guy should be happy to be making as much money as he is, given his
diminished skills. He is in no position to demand anything.
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"mikeg" <mgervaisunspam RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
>
> To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a
younger
> PG.
I propose Ray Allen for GP!
KjH>
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Kevin Hansen wrote:
> "mikeg" <mgervaisunspam.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
>>
>> To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a
>> younger PG.
> I propose Ray Allen for GP!
> KjH>

OK that is the punch line...what was the joke?

--
v/r Beau

I am right. You are wrong. Quit arguing with me.
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On 13 Jul 2004 10:42:33 EDT, "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>http://www.pe.com/sports/lakers/notebooks/PE_Sports_Local_lakers_notebook_13
>.584ff.html
>
>Payton said Monday that if O'Neal indeed is traded to the Heat he might ask
>the Lakers to let him go.
>
>"If they don't sign Karl back, then I'll probably get up out of here,"
>Payton said by phone. "They're going to buy me out or trade me, or
>something. If Karl don't come back, I ain't coming back."
>
>"I mean, what team are they going to put on the floor?" Payton asked.
>
>"Dude (O'Neal) is gone now," Payton said. "That's why I came out here. He
>left. He did that to us. I really ain't tripping off of that. But it ain't
>going to be like last year when I can't play basketball. It's going to be a
>lot different."
>


Please Gary, please, opt out, buy out, get waived, anything to make you
happy.

I am not impressed with neither your attitude nor playing skills at this
point in your career.

I liked you a lot when you were in Seattle, but it seems that you are a
different player now.
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:42:03 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
<noone DeleteThis @noone.com> wrote:

>Shaq deserves to be played for

Just because you said so?
I am not convinced.
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Pretty straight forward. Malone,
Payton, Horry, Rodney Rogers, Toni Kukoc.
Players love playing with Shaq. They don't
seem to feel that way about Kobe.

s_knight8 wrote:

> http://www.pe.com/sports/lakers/notebooks/PE_Sports_Local_lakers_notebook_13
> .584ff.html
>
> Payton said Monday that if O'Neal indeed is traded to the Heat he might ask
> the Lakers to let him go.
>
> "If they don't sign Karl back, then I'll probably get up out of here,"
> Payton said by phone. "They're going to buy me out or trade me, or
> something. If Karl don't come back, I ain't coming back."
>
> "I mean, what team are they going to put on the floor?" Payton asked.
>
> "Dude (O'Neal) is gone now," Payton said. "That's why I came out here. He
> left. He did that to us. I really ain't tripping off of that. But it ain't
> going to be like last year when I can't play basketball. It's going to be a
> lot different."
>
>
>
>
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Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote in message news:<egVIc.91436$WK7.80308@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
> Pretty straight forward. Malone,
> Payton, Horry, Rodney Rogers, Toni Kukoc.
> Players love playing with Shaq. They don't
> seem to feel that way about Kobe.
>
> s_knight8 wrote:
>
> > http://www.pe.com/sports/lakers/notebooks/PE_Sports_Local_lakers_notebook_13
> > .584ff.html
> >
> > Payton said Monday that if O'Neal indeed is traded to the Heat he might ask
> > the Lakers to let him go.
> >
> > "If they don't sign Karl back, then I'll probably get up out of here,"
> > Payton said by phone. "They're going to buy me out or trade me, or
> > something. If Karl don't come back, I ain't coming back."
> >
> > "I mean, what team are they going to put on the floor?" Payton asked.
> >
> > "Dude (O'Neal) is gone now," Payton said. "That's why I came out here. He
> > left. He did that to us. I really ain't tripping off of that. But it ain't
> > going to be like last year when I can't play basketball. It's going to be a
> > lot different."
> >
> >
> >
> >

Didn't Horry have some harsh words for Kobe AND Shaq on his way out of
town. They're both selfish babies. Fortunately they were able to get
past that for at least a few years. Too bad they never grew up.
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mikeg wrote:

>>The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
>
>
> To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a younger
> PG.

He tutored Kobe at one point some years ago, but
he probably wasn't the whiny bitch then that he
seems to be now.
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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
> Kevin Hansen wrote:
>> "mikeg" <mgervaisunspam.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:24idneCfNM66m2ndRVn-sw@comcast.com...
>>>> The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
>>>
>>> To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a
>>> younger PG.
>> I propose Ray Allen for GP!
>> KjH>
>
> OK that is the punch line...what was the joke?

Booth for GP. Salaries match and it would be pretty funny for him to end up
back in Seattle at the mid-level since he was leaving becasue they would not
give him a big extension.



--
Laurel T
"A good point guard and scorer should go
hand in hand, but not in the locker room."
Frank Layden
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Chris Hafner wrote:
> "Lee Watkins" <spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins.RemoveThis@falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote
> in message news:cd1hc0$e2k$1@news.tamu.edu...
>> i've always wondered who the 4th one was.....does ANYONE truly
>> believe payton is HoF material?
>
> Yes. Me.
>

GP does not have the rings but it reminds me of the Houston fans judged
Pippen only on his year in Houston when the 3 HOFs were supposed to make
noise. He was lost in Rudy Ts offense. 4 years later they still booed Pip
every time he touched the ball.



--
Laurel T
"I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells
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Miguel M wrote:

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> mikeg wrote:
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>> "mc" <mellowcat.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>> interesting that he doesn't mention *any* desire to play with kobe.
>>>
>>
>>
>> uh, you meant "for" Kobe, right?
>
>
> You mean like how Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones will be playing "for"
> Shaq?

That dog won't hunt. Players are lining up for the chance
to play with Shaq. The Kobe line is looking pretty empty.....
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