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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:20 pm
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Nexus wrote:
> "Larry R Harrison Jr" <noone RemoveThis @noone.com> wrote in message
> news:2lil87Fcue77U1@uni-berlin.de...
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>>"Miguel M" <PoetUNoet RemoveThis @iwon.com> wrote in message
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>>>You mean like how Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones will be playing "for"
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> Shaq?
>
>>Shaq deserves to be played for. On the other hand, His Egoness deserves no
>>such equivalent.
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> So since you are an obvious Kobe hater answer this...does Shaq get three NBA
> Championship rings if Kobe had not been there?
If there had been McGrady or Carter or Paul Pierce instead,
very likely yes.
Since you are an obvious Kobe jocker, answer this: does Kobe
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:20 pm
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>"Chainsaw" <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote in message
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> Nexus wrote:
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> > "Larry R Harrison Jr" <noone.TakeThisOut@noone.com> wrote in message
> > news:2lil87Fcue77U1@uni-berlin.de...
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> >>"Miguel M" <PoetUNoet.TakeThisOut@iwon.com> wrote in message
> >>news:10f87423gu0gb74@corp.supernews.com...
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> >>>You mean like how Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones will be playing "for"
> >
> > Shaq?
> >
> >>Shaq deserves to be played for. On the other hand, His Egoness deserves
no
> >>such equivalent.
> >>
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> >
> > So since you are an obvious Kobe hater answer this...does Shaq get three
NBA
> > Championship rings if Kobe had not been there?
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> If there had been McGrady or Carter or Paul Pierce instead,
> very likely yes.
>
> Since you are an obvious Kobe jocker, answer this: does Kobe
> get three rings if Shaq had not been there?
>
Would you care to let me know how you came to the conclusion that I am an
"obvious Kobe jocker"? I have never made any post that would insinuate that
so good luck. What I am is tired of is all the Kobe bashing that is going on
right now. Both Kobe and Shaq are responsible for the breakup of this
dynamic duo and anyone that tries to put the blame on one and not the other
is an ignoramus.
Neither McGrady, Carter, or Pierce are as good basketball players as Bryant.
Without Shaq and KEEPING the other players the Lakers had at the time it
would be pretty doubtful that KB would be wearing three rings. But removing
Bryant and inserting one of the other players you mentioned definitely does
not guarantee three rings either. |
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:01 pm
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:05 pm
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:47 pm
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"Charles Beauchamp" <C.E.Beauchamp RemoveThis @NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> I wonder if maybe a tiny part of Shaq's wanting out of town might not just
> be to be away from that pain in the ass Payton.....like 95% Kobe 5% Gary.
> Dwayne Wade is going to be the next point guard starting for the Eastern
> All-Stars after Jason Kidd's grip on that ends....well also when he get's
> those turnovers down..way way WAY down...but still....I bet the Heat will
be
> a much higher scoring team next season.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. Shaq is best suited to a slow tempo,
walk-it-up, halfcourt offense. The Heat will probably be more efficient and
shoot a higher FG%, but with fewer shots per game, scoring may not go up
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:09 pm
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Chainsaw <i'm@mywitsend.net> wrote:
> Nexus wrote:
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>> "Larry R Harrison Jr" <noone.RemoveThis@noone.com> wrote in message
>> news:2lil87Fcue77U1@uni-berlin.de...
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>>>"Miguel M" <PoetUNoet.RemoveThis@iwon.com> wrote in message
>>>news:10f87423gu0gb74@corp.supernews.com...
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>>>>
>>>>You mean like how Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones will be playing "for"
>>
>> Shaq?
>>
>>>Shaq deserves to be played for. On the other hand, His Egoness
>>>deserves no such equivalent.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So since you are an obvious Kobe hater answer this...does Shaq get
>> three NBA Championship rings if Kobe had not been there?
>
> If there had been McGrady or Carter or Paul Pierce instead,
> very likely yes.
>
> Since you are an obvious Kobe jocker, answer this: does Kobe
> get three rings if Shaq had not been there?
You guys are both up your ass. The Lakers won three championships
because they had Shaq AND Kobe. And I suppose Phil deserves some of the
credit here too.
--
Dave Zero
"And I don't care about making an ass out of myself because most people
already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis
"I criticize by creation" - Cicero
"I'm not here to make people happy. I prefer to piss people off." - Liam
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:08 pm
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Charles Beauchamp wrote:
> > Kevin Hansen wrote:
> >> "mikeg" <mgervaisunspam.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >>>> The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
> >>>
> >>> To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a
> >>> younger PG.
> >> I propose Ray Allen for GP!
> >> KjH>
> >
> > OK that is the punch line...what was the joke?
>
> Booth for GP. Salaries match and it would be pretty funny for him to end
up
> back in Seattle at the mid-level since he was leaving becasue they would
not
> give him a big extension.
i'd be for that, but it's funnier that l.a. is stuck their great deal on him
:-)
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:00 pm
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Terraholm wrote:
->GP does not have the rings but it reminds me of the Houston fans judged
->Pippen only on his year in Houston when the 3 HOFs were supposed to make
->noise. He was lost in Rudy Ts offense. 4 years later they still booed Pip
->every time he touched the ball.
His departure from Houston may have had something to do with that. IIRC he
was slamming his teammates while still a Rocket, then was traded a couple
of days later.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:00 pm
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M. Zaiem Beg wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Terraholm wrote:
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> ->GP does not have the rings but it reminds me of the Houston fans
> judged
> ->Pippen only on his year in Houston when the 3 HOFs were supposed to
> make
> ->noise. He was lost in Rudy Ts offense. 4 years later they still
> booed Pip
> ->every time he touched the ball.
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> His departure from Houston may have had something to do with that.
> IIRC he was slamming his teammates while still a Rocket, then was
> traded a couple of days later.
He was asking for a trade, and slamming one teammate in particular.... It
was after the season.
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more than 48 minutes, barring overtime."
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:38 pm
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He may be a dick, but is there seriously anyone who doesn't think he's a
HOFer? He's one of the top few point guards in the history of the game.
Lee Watkins wrote:
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> i've always wondered who the 4th one was.....does ANYONE truly believe
> payton is HoF material?
>
> lee
> "topcat" <topcat DeleteThis @aboy.com> wrote in message
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> > "mikeg" <mgervaisunspam DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > > > The upside is that he still has some pretty good trade value.
> > >
> > > To whom? He's washed up as a player and too big a prick to tutor a
> > younger
> > > PG.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > My, how the vaunted "Four Hall of Famers" have fallen...
> >
> > TC
> >
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> >
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to be a Clipper, his lawyers could argue temporary insanity."
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:22 am
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:40 am
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Chainsaw wrote:
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> Nexus wrote:
>
>> "Larry R Harrison Jr" <noone.RemoveThis@noone.com> wrote in message
>> news:2lil87Fcue77U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>> "Miguel M" <PoetUNoet.RemoveThis@iwon.com> wrote in message
>>> news:10f87423gu0gb74@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean like how Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones will be playing "for"
>>
>>
>> Shaq?
>>
>>> Shaq deserves to be played for. On the other hand, His Egoness
>>> deserves no
>>> such equivalent.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So since you are an obvious Kobe hater answer this...does Shaq get
>> three NBA
>> Championship rings if Kobe had not been there?
>
>
> If there had been McGrady or Carter or Paul Pierce instead,
> very likely yes.
>
> Since you are an obvious Kobe jocker, answer this: does Kobe
> get three rings if Shaq had not been there?
If there had been a Duncan, KG, or Yao there, very likely yes. >> Stay informed about: Payton "I ain't coming back" |
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:42 am
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Chainsaw wrote:
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> Miguel M wrote:
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>> mikeg wrote:
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>>> "mc" <mellowcat.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> interesting that he doesn't mention *any* desire to play with kobe.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> uh, you meant "for" Kobe, right?
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>>
>>
>> You mean like how Dwayne Wade and Eddie Jones will be playing
>> "for" Shaq?
>
>
> That dog won't hunt. Players are lining up for the chance
> to play with Shaq. The Kobe line is looking pretty empty.....
Lamar Odom has been openly enthusiastic about not just playing for the
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:04 am
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wasn't really meant as a dis, i honeslty had no idea so many people
seriously thought so much of him.
i've followed gary's career for a good chunk, and honestly, I just don't see
him as HoF. not saying he hasnt had a great career, but I just don't see
it. Don't worry, if he gets inducted in a few years, i'll be man enough to
come back to eat some crow.
don't hold your breath though....
"levi" <leviDESPAM DeleteThis @visiDESPAM.com> wrote in message
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> In article <cd1hc0$e2k$1@news.tamu.edu>, "Lee Watkins"
> <spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins DeleteThis @falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote:
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> > "topcat" <topcat DeleteThis @aboy.com> wrote in message
> > news:Nr-dnTUI8rcZsmndRVn-ig@telcove.net...
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> > >
> > > My, how the vaunted "Four Hall of Famers" have fallen...
> > >
> > > TC
> > >
> >
> > i've always wondered who the 4th one was.....does ANYONE truly believe
> > payton is HoF material?
> >
> > lee
>
> Nicely dissed, but why fight it?
>
> http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=PAYTOGA01
> :
> : HOF Monitor: 167 (Likely HOFer > 135)
> :
> http://www.basketballreference.com/about/abouthofm.htm >> Stay informed about: Payton "I ain't coming back" |
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:17 pm
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Miguel M wrote:
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> Lamar Odom has been openly enthusiastic about not just playing for the
> Lakers, but specifically playing with Kobe.
Well yeah, his good dope connections are in LA.
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"I have no idea if Bryant is guilty or innocent, but if he is willing
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