Petrie needs to look at himself not Muss

On Apr 20, 4:03 pm, "dave" <nospam> wrote:
> I pretty much agree with your assessment. I think Petrie is more to blame
> than Muss. One minor disagreement about the PFs. Sar could not rebound.
> He has bad knees so he cannot jump. KT could rebound but could not do much
> else.
>
> DaveL
>
> "Frank Rizzo" <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177105408.171956.278080@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Musselman is gone. Wasn't his fault. He had a gimpy center that was
> > mostly absent. I shooting PG with a messed up hand, that really
> > didn't shoot well. And he had an absloute lunatic as his best
> > player. He had two PF that had major flaws in their game. One could
> > score and rebound, but played no defense (Sharif), the other could
> > shoot but had no post game (Thomas).
>
> > I think if Muss ever gets a job with a real team he can be a good
> > coach. I think Muss may want to take some courses in PR or Sales
> > because his players NEVER have his back. At least you are in the Oden/
> > Durant lottery....
>
> > Rizzo

Since pointing of fingers has started, lets not forget about the
Maloofs here. In my observation they have slowly started to take over
the basketball operations from Petrie which has been concurrent with a
declining record over the last 5 years. Yes part is Petries fault
because there was more he should have done. But I wouldn't put to much
on Petrie. Muss made very poor coaching decisions here and couldn't
get the support of the players. He had to go, the kings had no choice.

john
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On Apr 20, 3:30 pm, runsrealfast <runsrealf....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 4:03 pm, "dave" <nospam> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I pretty much agree with your assessment. I think Petrie is more to blame
> > than Muss. One minor disagreement about the PFs. Sar could not rebound.
> > He has bad knees so he cannot jump. KT could rebound but could not do much
> > else.
>
> > DaveL
>
> > "Frank Rizzo" <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1177105408.171956.278080@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Musselman is gone. Wasn't his fault. He had a gimpy center that was
> > > mostly absent. I shooting PG with a messed up hand, that really
> > > didn't shoot well. And he had an absloute lunatic as his best
> > > player. He had two PF that had major flaws in their game. One could
> > > score and rebound, but played no defense (Sharif), the other could
> > > shoot but had no post game (Thomas).
>
> > > I think if Muss ever gets a job with a real team he can be a good
> > > coach. I think Muss may want to take some courses in PR or Sales
> > > because his players NEVER have his back. At least you are in the Oden/
> > > Durant lottery....
>
> > > Rizzo
>
> Since pointing of fingers has started, lets not forget about the
> Maloofs here. In my observation they have slowly started to take over
> the basketball operations from Petrie which has been concurrent with a
> declining record over the last 5 years. Yes part is Petries fault
> because there was more he should have done. But I wouldn't put to much
> on Petrie. Muss made very poor coaching decisions here and couldn't
> get the support of the players. He had to go, the kings had no choice.
>
> john

Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
Who's fault was that? Muss didn't forget how to coach in one year.

Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
thankful for:

1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)

2) You have a shot at some great prospects in a very very deep draft.

3) You still have a bargaining chip to move up in the draft (Bibby)

4) You have a very strong SG and some good role players to build
around that are young.

Rizzo
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On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?

Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.


>
> Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> thankful for:
>
> 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)

It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
fired!).

John
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On Apr 20, 6:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 3:30 pm, runsrealfast <runsrealf....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 4:03 pm, "dave" <nospam> wrote:
>
> > > I pretty much agree with your assessment. I think Petrie is more to blame
> > > than Muss. One minor disagreement about the PFs. Sar could not rebound.
> > > He has bad knees so he cannot jump. KT could rebound but could not do much
> > > else.
>
> > > DaveL
>
> > > "Frank Rizzo" <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177105408.171956.278080@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Musselman is gone. Wasn't his fault. He had a gimpy center that was
> > > > mostly absent. I shooting PG with a messed up hand, that really
> > > > didn't shoot well. And he had an absloute lunatic as his best
> > > > player. He had two PF that had major flaws in their game. One could
> > > > score and rebound, but played no defense (Sharif), the other could
> > > > shoot but had no post game (Thomas).
>
> > > > I think if Muss ever gets a job with a real team he can be a good
> > > > coach. I think Muss may want to take some courses in PR or Sales
> > > > because his players NEVER have his back. At least you are in the Oden/
> > > > Durant lottery....
>
> > > > Rizzo
>
> > Since pointing of fingers has started, lets not forget about the
> > Maloofs here. In my observation they have slowly started to take over
> > the basketball operations from Petrie which has been concurrent with a
> > declining record over the last 5 years. Yes part is Petries fault
> > because there was more he should have done. But I wouldn't put to much
> > on Petrie. Muss made very poor coaching decisions here and couldn't
> > get the support of the players. He had to go, the kings had no choice.
>
> > john
>
> Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
> Who's fault was that? Muss didn't forget how to coach in one year.


He has never shown that he knew how to coach.
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On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
>
>
> > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > thankful for:
>
> > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> fired!).
>
> John

It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
be fired.

Rizzo
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On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > thankful for:
>
> > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > fired!).
>
> > John
>
> It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> be fired.

Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
instead.

John
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On Apr 24, 6:56 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > > thankful for:
>
> > > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > > fired!).
>
> > > John
>
> > It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> > be fired.
>
> Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
> it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
> walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
> money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
> instead.
>
> John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

John,

When did I say Bonzi turned it down because it was too much? Don't
put words in my mouth please. I said the offer was way too much. He
took much less in Houston than what Sacramento offered him. I am
saying they shouldn't have offered Bonzi that money in the first
place. You can see how he performed for Houston. I am very well
aware of the fact that Bonzi walked. Bonzi is an idiot, which I have
known since his Portland days. I'm saying offering him a big contract
is stupid. Read what I wrote. My logic makes PERFECT sense.

Rizzo
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On Apr 24, 6:56 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > > thankful for:
>
> > > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > > fired!).
>
> > > John
>
> > It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> > be fired.
>
> Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
> it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
> walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
> money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
> instead.
>
> John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He turned it down cause he wanted more. Then he waited and got
screwed by a much smaller contract offer (the only one out
there).....He thought there would be a bidding war. kings were
bidding only against themselves at the big price. They got lucky he
thought he was a superstar. Understand now?

Rizzo
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On Apr 25, 3:55 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 6:56 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > > > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > > > thankful for:
>
> > > > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > > > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > > > fired!).
>
> > > > John
>
> > > It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> > > be fired.
>
> > Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
> > it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
> > walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
> > money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
> > instead.
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> John,
>
> When did I say Bonzi turned it down because it was too much? Don't
> put words in my mouth please. I said the offer was way too much. He
> took much less in Houston than what Sacramento offered him. I am
> saying they shouldn't have offered Bonzi that money in the first
> place. You can see how he performed for Houston. I am very well
> aware of the fact that Bonzi walked. Bonzi is an idiot, which I have
> known since his Portland days. I'm saying offering him a big contract
> is stupid. Read what I wrote. My logic makes PERFECT sense.
>
> Rizzo

Wasn't putting words in your mouth, I guess a question mark was
needed. sorry.

should have said
So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because it was to
much?
not
So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because it was to
much.

its amazing what punctuation can do.
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On Apr 25, 11:13 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 24, 6:56 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > > > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > > > thankful for:
>
> > > > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > > > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > > > fired!).
>
> > > > John
>
> > > It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> > > be fired.
>
> > Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
> > it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
> > walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
> > money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
> > instead.
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> He turned it down cause he wanted more. Then he waited and got
> screwed by a much smaller contract offer (the only one out
> there).....He thought there would be a bidding war. kings were
> bidding only against themselves at the big price. They got lucky he
> thought he was a superstar. Understand now?
>
> Rizzo

see my other message. I think we actually would agree about the bonzi
thing. I was glad he turned it down (unlike many that post here).
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On Apr 26, 7:35 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 25, 11:13 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 6:56 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > > > > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > > > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > > > > thankful for:
>
> > > > > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > > > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > > > > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > > > > fired!).
>
> > > > > John
>
> > > > It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> > > > be fired.
>
> > > Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
> > > it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
> > > walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
> > > money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
> > > instead.
>
> > > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > He turned it down cause he wanted more. Then he waited and got
> > screwed by a much smaller contract offer (the only one out
> > there).....He thought there would be a bidding war. kings were
> > bidding only against themselves at the big price. They got lucky he
> > thought he was a superstar. Understand now?
>
> > Rizzo
>
> see my other message. I think we actually would agree about the bonzi
> thing. I was glad he turned it down (unlike many that post here).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Kings lucked up on Bonzi, I agree with you. I think the Kings are two
years away from playoffs unless they get lucky in the lottery. I
think Miller's foot problems will persist and ruin his career as it
has with many a big man (Walton, Borchardt, MacCulloh etc). So you're
building around Martin and Bibby (Unless he's traded), Artest (unless
he's released/retired).. Not much to go on, however if Artest retires
and Miller retires, you will have some money to play the market and
Petrie has made some good moves in FA in the past, just not recently,
so chin up.

Rizzo
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On Apr 26, 8:14 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 7:35 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 11:13 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 24, 6:56 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 23, 10:02 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 23, 7:32 am, runsrealfast <runsrealf....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Apr 20, 7:04 pm, Frank Rizzo <champ91....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Maybe so, but after one year? That means it was a bad hire, no?
>
> > > > > > Yes, a bad hire done by the Maloofs. Muss wasn't Petries guy.
>
> > > > > > > Well, looking at the bright side of things, Kings fans should be
> > > > > > > thankful for:
>
> > > > > > > 1) Bonzi wells turned down the stupid contract offer (was that Petrie
> > > > > > > or Maloofs, because whoever made the offer should be fired)
>
> > > > > > It was a great offer, the only blame here is Bonzi's ex-agent (who he
> > > > > > fired!).
>
> > > > > > John
>
> > > > > It was a stupid offer by the Kings...whoever offered that much should
> > > > > be fired.
>
> > > > Wait a minute. So your saying that Bonzi turned down the offer because
> > > > it was to much. Had the kings offered less Bonzi still would have
> > > > walked. Your logic here makes no sense. The kings put down the max
> > > > money for Bonzi and HE turned it down. So the money went to Salmons
> > > > instead.
>
> > > > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > He turned it down cause he wanted more. Then he waited and got
> > > screwed by a much smaller contract offer (the only one out
> > > there).....He thought there would be a bidding war. kings were
> > > bidding only against themselves at the big price. They got lucky he
> > > thought he was a superstar. Understand now?
>
> > > Rizzo
>
> > see my other message. I think we actually would agree about the bonzi
> > thing. I was glad he turned it down (unlike many that post here).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Kings lucked up on Bonzi, I agree with you. I think the Kings are two
> years away from playoffs unless they get lucky in the lottery. I
> think Miller's foot problems will persist and ruin his career as it
> has with many a big man (Walton, Borchardt, MacCulloh etc). So you're
> building around Martin and Bibby (Unless he's traded), Artest (unless
> he's released/retired).. Not much to go on, however if Artest retires
> and Miller retires, you will have some money to play the market and
> Petrie has made some good moves in FA in the past, just not recently,
> so chin up.
>
> Rizzo

your right about the time frame thing. It does depend on the draft. If
Miller can heal quickly, however, they could be in next year. SI just
picked Garcia as a player to have a breakout season next year, kind of
like Martin. Who BTW was second in voting for most improved.

John
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