xpenenyx DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote in
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> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:22:16 GMT, Grey Matters
> <greymatters22 DeleteThis @ya-who.com> wrote:
>
>>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote in
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>>>> And even though he's getting into the hall
>>>>for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
>>>>the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
>>>>(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
>>>>(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson.
>>>>Probably the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick
>>>>Vitale as it eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The year that Vitale coached was an absolute disaster. Not only was
>>> he terrible coach Davidson was him talk him into trading for Bob
>>> McAdoo. All the Pistons gave up was M.L. Carr and two #1 that turned
>>> out to be McHale and Parish. McAdoo didn't play much because he was
>>> always injured and was eventually waived. IIRC Detroit has a pretty
>>> high #1 that could have been used better then drafting John Long but
>>> it seems Dickie V was more interested in having guys that played for
>>> him at U 0f D. Personally I don't know what the fascination is with
>>> Vi tale. IMO he is nothing more than a raging monotone screaming
>>> idiot.
>>
>>The Long pick wasn't bad. He was a decent player for a second rounder
>>and a lot better than a bunch of guys picked ahead of him.
>
> but not better than Michael Cooper and Maurice Cheeks who were
> selected after.
Definitely not better, but you can find way more players who were picked
earlier who were total busts. Rick Robey? James Hardy? George Johnson?
Winford Boynes? Roger Phlegley? Mike Mitchell? Jack Givens? Rod
Griffin? Marty Byrnes?
You don't expect 2nd rounders to be all stars, but if you can get two
servicable pros you've done OK.
> Do you think that Long and Tyler would' ve have been
> second round picks if not for Vitale?
They deserved to be, sure. Keith Herron, Rick Wilson, Ron Carter, Wayne
Radford, and Buster Matheney were the guys picked between Tyler and Long,
and I don't think any of them were better NBA players than Tyler and
Long.
I'm not saying Tyler and Long were great players, but for second rounders
they were better than average.
> Then season they drafted Duerod giving them three U of D guys.
Drafting him in the 3rd round wasn't a bad idea. Very few 3rd rounders
ever did much in the NBA, and he seems to have been good enough for
several other teams to pay his salary over the years, so he had some
value. What was a problem was the fact that the Pistons' roster was so
weak that a guy like Duerod made the club and got significant playing
time.
> Was Phil Hubbard that good in college that he deserved to be a #1 pick?
Judging by the guys who were available at that point, I'd say Hubbard
wasn't the worst guy they could have picked, not by a long shot. The
next guys to get picked were Jim Spanarkel, Lee Johnson, Reggie King,
Wiley Peck, Larry Knight, Sly Williams and Kyle Macy. Hubbard was a
journeyman, but the talent pool wasn't very deep by that point.
I think you can point to the Kelser pick that year instead of Moncrief as
the bigger mistake by the Pistons.
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