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SkippyPB

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:24 am
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Pistons' fans have a lot to be proud of with the induction of the 2008
HOF members.

Pistons' owner Bill Davidson being at the top of the list. In
addition ex-Piston and star Adrian Dantley gets a well deserved
induction into the hall. And even though he's getting into the hall
for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson. Probably
the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick Vitale as it
eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.

And just a note about the NBA in 1977-78. The Central Division of
which the Pistons were part of included San Antonio, Houston, Atlanta,
Cleveland and New Orleans. Detroit finished second to last ahead of
New Orleans and tied with Cleveland.

Congratulations to Mr. Davidson, Adrian Dantley and Dick Vitale. And
yes Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon and Pat Riley definitely deserve
the honor as well. I'm sure Cathy Rush does too, it is just that I
never heard of her, don't know anything about her and, thus, cannot
comment on her.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:24 am
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SkippyPB wrote:

>
> Congratulations to Mr. Davidson, Adrian Dantley and Dick Vitale. And
> yes Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon and Pat Riley definitely deserve
> the honor as well. I'm sure Cathy Rush does too, it is just that I
> never heard of her, don't know anything about her and, thus, cannot
> comment on her.


There is a book about her first championship...the story is a cross between
Sister Act and Hoosiers.

Was in the 1970s and the first nationals. Coach Sister Rush was not much
older than her players. Their gym had burned down so they played all their
games on the road.
They went as 15th seed in the then 16 team national tourney after losing
70-38 in the reginal final... The girls sold toothbrushes and other stuff
tyring to raise the money to go to the championships. They were short and
left some of the team behind.
They won big in the first round, beat Indiana State by 2 pts and then the
huge upset the top seed Mississippi State. Then they avenged their earlier
beat down in the final, the first title bestowed by the Association of
Intercollegiate Athletics for Women. (The NCAA took over the championship in
1980s.)

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:03 pm
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> And even though he's getting into the hall
>for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
>the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
>(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
>(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson. Probably
>the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick Vitale as it
>eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.
>

The year that Vitale coached was an absolute disaster. Not only was he
terrible coach Davidson was him talk him into trading for Bob McAdoo.
All the Pistons gave up was M.L. Carr and two #1 that turned out to be
McHale and Parish. McAdoo didn't play much because he was always
injured and was eventually waived. IIRC Detroit has a pretty high #1
that could have been used better then drafting John Long but it seems
Dickie V was more interested in having guys that played for him at U
0f D. Personally I don't know what the fascination is with Vi tale.
IMO he is nothing more than a raging monotone screaming idiot.
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Grey Matters

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:22 pm
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xpenenyx.RemoveThis@earthlink.net wrote in news:p72tv3580a6t1s4ejh093ts52d9fa3i0bl@
4ax.com:

>> And even though he's getting into the hall
>>for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
>>the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
>>(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
>>(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson. Probably
>>the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick Vitale as it
>>eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.
>>
>
> The year that Vitale coached was an absolute disaster. Not only was he
> terrible coach Davidson was him talk him into trading for Bob McAdoo.
> All the Pistons gave up was M.L. Carr and two #1 that turned out to be
> McHale and Parish. McAdoo didn't play much because he was always
> injured and was eventually waived. IIRC Detroit has a pretty high #1
> that could have been used better then drafting John Long but it seems
> Dickie V was more interested in having guys that played for him at U
> 0f D. Personally I don't know what the fascination is with Vi tale.
> IMO he is nothing more than a raging monotone screaming idiot.

The Long pick wasn't bad. He was a decent player for a second rounder
and a lot better than a bunch of guys picked ahead of him.

The McAdoo trade, of course, we should never speak of again, or the
memory of it may blot out the sun for all of Southeastern Michigan.

At least Vitale admits he blew it for the Pistons: "I have nothing but
the greatest respect for Mr. Davidson and the entire Pistons
organization," Vitale said in an interview with The News this year. "Mr.
Davidson made a commitment to me and gave me a great opportunity, and I
have always felt that I let him down. But Mr. D. sent me into television,
where I've spent the best 29 years of my life. I've never lost a game
since."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20080408/SPORTS0102/804080337/1127/SPORTS0102
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:46 am
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:22:16 GMT, Grey Matters
<greymatters22 RemoveThis @ya-who.com> wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote in news:p72tv3580a6t1s4ejh093ts52d9fa3i0bl@
>4ax.com:
>
>>> And even though he's getting into the hall
>>>for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
>>>the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
>>>(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
>>>(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson. Probably
>>>the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick Vitale as it
>>>eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.
>>>
>>
>> The year that Vitale coached was an absolute disaster. Not only was he
>> terrible coach Davidson was him talk him into trading for Bob McAdoo.
>> All the Pistons gave up was M.L. Carr and two #1 that turned out to be
>> McHale and Parish. McAdoo didn't play much because he was always
>> injured and was eventually waived. IIRC Detroit has a pretty high #1
>> that could have been used better then drafting John Long but it seems
>> Dickie V was more interested in having guys that played for him at U
>> 0f D. Personally I don't know what the fascination is with Vi tale.
>> IMO he is nothing more than a raging monotone screaming idiot.
>
>The Long pick wasn't bad. He was a decent player for a second rounder
>and a lot better than a bunch of guys picked ahead of him.
>
>The McAdoo trade, of course, we should never speak of again, or the
>memory of it may blot out the sun for all of Southeastern Michigan.
>

Well let's be fair here. McAdoo's best years as a pro in the NBA were
before he came to Detroit. He played in more games and logged more
minutes with the Buffalo Braves then he ever did with the Pistons or
anyone else afterwards. That's not to say he was at the end of his
career when he came to Detroit. He wasn't, but he never achieved the
same numbers with Detroit or the Nets or the Lakers or the 76ers that
he did with the Braves. He also played 52 games with the Knicks just
before coming to Detroit where he was getting 26.9 ppg. He never
averaged that many ppg again. His first season with Detroit he had a
21.1 ppg in 58 games. In his second season (1980-1981) in 6 games he
got only 12.0 ppg. He was traded to New Jersey where he played in
only 10 games with 9.9 ppg. His next best season in terms of games
and minutes played was his 3rd season with the Lakers (83-84) where he
played in 70 games and was scoring 13.1 ppg.

>At least Vitale admits he blew it for the Pistons: "I have nothing but
>the greatest respect for Mr. Davidson and the entire Pistons
>organization," Vitale said in an interview with The News this year. "Mr.
>Davidson made a commitment to me and gave me a great opportunity, and I
>have always felt that I let him down. But Mr. D. sent me into television,
>where I've spent the best 29 years of my life. I've never lost a game
>since."
>
>http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
>AID=/20080408/SPORTS0102/804080337/1127/SPORTS0102

Yeah, it was no doubt Dick Vitale was a horrible NBA coach. He took
everything too personal. You got to have armor for skin to be a
successful NBA coach.

Regards,
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"If we do not succeed, we run the risk of failure."
-- Dan Quayle
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:15 pm
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:22:16 GMT, Grey Matters
<greymatters22.RemoveThis@ya-who.com> wrote:

>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote in news:p72tv3580a6t1s4ejh093ts52d9fa3i0bl@
>4ax.com:
>
>>> And even though he's getting into the hall
>>>for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
>>>the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
>>>(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
>>>(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson. Probably
>>>the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick Vitale as it
>>>eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.
>>>
>>
>> The year that Vitale coached was an absolute disaster. Not only was he
>> terrible coach Davidson was him talk him into trading for Bob McAdoo.
>> All the Pistons gave up was M.L. Carr and two #1 that turned out to be
>> McHale and Parish. McAdoo didn't play much because he was always
>> injured and was eventually waived. IIRC Detroit has a pretty high #1
>> that could have been used better then drafting John Long but it seems
>> Dickie V was more interested in having guys that played for him at U
>> 0f D. Personally I don't know what the fascination is with Vi tale.
>> IMO he is nothing more than a raging monotone screaming idiot.
>
>The Long pick wasn't bad. He was a decent player for a second rounder
>and a lot better than a bunch of guys picked ahead of him.

but not better than Michael Cooper and Maurice Cheeks who were
selected after. Do you think that Long and Tyler would' ve have been
second round picks if not for Vitale? Then season they drafted Duerod
giving them three U of D guys. Was Phil Hubbard that good in college
that he deserved to be a #1 pick?
>
>The McAdoo trade, of course, we should never speak of again, or the
>memory of it may blot out the sun for all of Southeastern Michigan.
>
>At least Vitale admits he blew it for the Pistons: "I have nothing but
>the greatest respect for Mr. Davidson and the entire Pistons
>organization," Vitale said in an interview with The News this year. "Mr.
>Davidson made a commitment to me and gave me a great opportunity, and I
>have always felt that I let him down. But Mr. D. sent me into television,
>where I've spent the best 29 years of my life. I've never lost a game
>since."
>
>http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
>AID=/20080408/SPORTS0102/804080337/1127/SPORTS0102
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:13 pm
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xpenenyx DeleteThis @earthlink.net wrote in
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> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:22:16 GMT, Grey Matters
> <greymatters22 DeleteThis @ya-who.com> wrote:
>
>>xpenenyx@earthlink.net wrote in
>>news:p72tv3580a6t1s4ejh093ts52d9fa3i0bl@ 4ax.com:
>>
>>>> And even though he's getting into the hall
>>>>for his work as a college basketball analyst, Dick Vitale represents
>>>>the Pistons as well. He was their coach for the 1977-1978 season
>>>>(posting a 30-52 record) and for 12 games into the 1978-1979 season
>>>>(posting a 4-8 record) before being fired by Bill Davidson.
>>>>Probably the best thing Bill Davidson could have done for Dick
>>>>Vitale as it eventually led to him getting the analyst job at ESPN.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The year that Vitale coached was an absolute disaster. Not only was
>>> he terrible coach Davidson was him talk him into trading for Bob
>>> McAdoo. All the Pistons gave up was M.L. Carr and two #1 that turned
>>> out to be McHale and Parish. McAdoo didn't play much because he was
>>> always injured and was eventually waived. IIRC Detroit has a pretty
>>> high #1 that could have been used better then drafting John Long but
>>> it seems Dickie V was more interested in having guys that played for
>>> him at U 0f D. Personally I don't know what the fascination is with
>>> Vi tale. IMO he is nothing more than a raging monotone screaming
>>> idiot.
>>
>>The Long pick wasn't bad. He was a decent player for a second rounder
>>and a lot better than a bunch of guys picked ahead of him.
>
> but not better than Michael Cooper and Maurice Cheeks who were
> selected after.

Definitely not better, but you can find way more players who were picked
earlier who were total busts. Rick Robey? James Hardy? George Johnson?
Winford Boynes? Roger Phlegley? Mike Mitchell? Jack Givens? Rod
Griffin? Marty Byrnes?

You don't expect 2nd rounders to be all stars, but if you can get two
servicable pros you've done OK.

> Do you think that Long and Tyler would' ve have been
> second round picks if not for Vitale?

They deserved to be, sure. Keith Herron, Rick Wilson, Ron Carter, Wayne
Radford, and Buster Matheney were the guys picked between Tyler and Long,
and I don't think any of them were better NBA players than Tyler and
Long.

I'm not saying Tyler and Long were great players, but for second rounders
they were better than average.

> Then season they drafted Duerod giving them three U of D guys.

Drafting him in the 3rd round wasn't a bad idea. Very few 3rd rounders
ever did much in the NBA, and he seems to have been good enough for
several other teams to pay his salary over the years, so he had some
value. What was a problem was the fact that the Pistons' roster was so
weak that a guy like Duerod made the club and got significant playing
time.

> Was Phil Hubbard that good in college that he deserved to be a #1 pick?

Judging by the guys who were available at that point, I'd say Hubbard
wasn't the worst guy they could have picked, not by a long shot. The
next guys to get picked were Jim Spanarkel, Lee Johnson, Reggie King,
Wiley Peck, Larry Knight, Sly Williams and Kyle Macy. Hubbard was a
journeyman, but the talent pool wasn't very deep by that point.

I think you can point to the Kelser pick that year instead of Moncrief as
the bigger mistake by the Pistons.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:37 pm
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>
>I think you can point to the Kelser pick that year instead of Moncrief as
>the bigger mistake by the Pistons.

but Kelser eventually brought Vinnie Johnson to Detroit.
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