The Problem With The Blazers Is.....

"Spread Eagle" <redsky.RemoveThis@virtualhosts.net> wrote in message
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> Paul Allen. Sad but true. Under his ownership everything good about
> the Blazers was disbanded or run out of town, and everything bad about
> them was encouraged and re-signed. Didn't the Blazers just extend
> Cheeks' contract? Nothing against Cheeks, but given the Blazers'
> performance so far this year, does Cheeks *deserve* to have his
> contract extended. Well, yeah, if Paul Allen is your owner. Many of
> us thought it was Whitsitt that was the bad guy. Maybe he was, to
> some extent, but it was Paul Allen who hired Whitsitt in the first
> place, and gave him his marching orders. Because it was Paul Allen
> who essentially got rid of Geoff Petrie to **make room** for Whitsitt.
> So Petrie went to Sacramento and made the Kings, perennially a league
> doormat, into one of the NBA's elite teams. Look at Sacramento, and
> you see what the Blazers *could* have been retooled into as the
> Drexler years waned. Look at the mess the Blazers are now.
>
> When Allen bought the team and first started spreading his wealth
> around on them we all thought we'd died and gone to heaven. The
> richest owner in all of sports owns **our** team. Well, we were
> partly right. He owns them all right, but he regards them as **his**
> not **ours**, and I guess he's got that right. All we have is the
> right to not go watch them and the right not to care about them.
> Because I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any
> better.

you're reaching. Last I checked, it wasn't a problem to have a rich owner.
And cheeks isn't the problem. We've gone through numerous coaches, all with
essentially the same results.

i guess when fans expect more, ya gotta find a place to point your fingers.

Unless we get get a player like Shaq, or Duncan, we're not going to contend
and that's not the fault of the blazers. We just don't have enough to
compete with the lakers, kings, and spurs.
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"toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message news:<mLpFb.9288$ci1.351@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...

> you're reaching. Last I checked, it wasn't a problem to have a rich owner.

So we all thought. Then along came Paul Allen

> And cheeks isn't the problem.

Never said he was THE problem, only that he's done nothing to warrant
an extension.

> We've gone through numerous coaches, all with
> essentially the same results.

Yes, since Allen ordered Petrie to fire Adelman, so Petrie resigned.
Enter Whitsitt and the coaching revolving door.

> i guess when fans expect more, ya gotta find a place to point your fingers.

Nah, thats not it. I've been following the Blazers since day one of
the 1970-71 season. I KNOW that the organization has gone WAY
DOWNHILL from where it once was, and it's all happened under Allen's
ownership. Twenty years of carefully and meticulously building it
into one of the leagues premiere and most emulated franchises,
squandered away. If you can't see it you're either blinded or
ignorant.


> Unless we get get a player like Shaq, or Duncan, we're not going to contend
> and that's not the fault of the blazers. We just don't have enough to
> compete with the lakers, kings, and spurs.

That's just it. Shaq WAS available. He chose LA. Duncan WAS a free
agent in 2000. You think that Shaq or Duncan would've denied Allen if
he offered him something along the lines of what the Texas Rangers
offered A-Rod to lure him from Seattle? A quarter billion dollars?
Allen is way, way more wealthy than Jerry Buss, and could've easily
outbid him. He never tried, not for Shaq, and nopt for Duncan. In
fact Allen and Whitsitt NEVER pursued the creme de la creme players
like Shaq. They always went for *reclamation projects*, major head
cases, thinking they could magically turn them around and, voila!,
major superstar. That, instead of just going after the established
and proven superstar straight up. Sure, you spend more money in the
short run, but spend far less in the long run. Penny-wise and
pound-foolish.
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vucj778k58l053 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>...
> The Kings that have a ton of talent selected over character? Webber when
> arrested for pot they had to use pepper spray to drag him from the car. Know
> pleading to lying to a federal grand jury...Draft a known pothead
> out -of-control PG in JWill. Both of those arrested for reckless driving at
> Sac.
> One player they traded for had admitted to dealing drugs. Just a year ago
> they signed Clark with a week old pot arrest, not his first.

> Last year they
> add Jackson a known cancer.

Bobby Jackson? Gee, he only won the league's Sixth Man Award.
**That** Jackson? "A known cancer"? The only cancer I know about is
the one that *other* teams get when they play against him and the
Kings.

> But hell the grass is greener in Sacramento....=)

Maybe the grass actually IS greener. Webber is the only one you
mention that is central to the team's core (and the Kings seem to do
just fine without him, like, say last night - Kings 117, Blazers 98),
and Webber has been a flakey individual on and off the court going all
the way back to High School. That's it. Now let's talk about the
rest of the core, Bibby, Christy, Vlade, and Stojakavic, plus former
players Scott Pollard and Turkoglu. And the brilliant stroke of
adding Miller this year. Oh, yeah, and Bobby "The Cancer" Jackson.
All in all, a much better team on and off the court than the Blazers.
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"Zeb Quinn" <nastygram DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bobby Jackson? Gee, he only won the league's Sixth Man Award.
> **That** Jackson? "A known cancer"? The only cancer I know about is
> the one that *other* teams get when they play against him and the
> Kings.


Jimmy Jackson.
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"Zeb Quinn" <nastygram.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> All in all, a much better team on and off the court than the Blazers.

I am not criticizing the Kings and Petrie, I am saying that holding Petrie
up as a model on how to build a team over Whitsitt is hypocritical. Petrie
has just had better luck on 'local' arrests and the local media. And the
team Petrie built, not on a much different model than the Blazers, have gone
how much farther over the last 6 years?
West built the winner and he seems to prefer the talent of the player that
was being booed by his own fans in portland over the less talented nice
guy.....


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"Wallace is a riddle wrapped in a mystery,
wrapped in a headband." S.I.
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:46:45 -0800, "Terraholm"
>
>But hell the grass is greener in Sacramento....=)

yeah....they get their grass seed from oregon
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"mmasw" <a.TakeThisOut@biteme.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:46:45 -0800, "Terraholm"
> >
> >But hell the grass is greener in Sacramento....=)
>
> yeah....they get their grass seed from oregon


likely some leaf as well...=)
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vue2q8no0tp5f RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>...
> "Zeb Quinn" <nastygram RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > All in all, a much better team on and off the court than the Blazers.
>
> I am not criticizing the Kings and Petrie, I am saying that holding Petrie
> up as a model on how to build a team over Whitsitt is hypocritical. Petrie
> has just had better luck on 'local' arrests and the local media. And the
> team Petrie built, not on a much different model than the Blazers, have gone
> how much farther over the last 6 years?

One trip to the NBA final four, versus two trips for Portland (1999 and 2000).

> West built the winner and he seems to prefer the talent of the player that
> was being booed by his own fans in portland over the less talented nice
> guy.....

I have a feeling Rasheed might be in Memphis next year too.
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"PDX Blazers" <pdx_blazers.TakeThisOut@sacbeemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Zeb Quinn" <nastygram.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2fb0d153.0312220638.50b48d9c@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > All in all, a much better team on and off the court than the Blazers.
> >
> > I am not criticizing the Kings and Petrie, I am saying that holding
Petrie
> > up as a model on how to build a team over Whitsitt is hypocritical.
Petrie
> > has just had better luck on 'local' arrests and the local media. And the
> > team Petrie built, not on a much different model than the Blazers, have
gone
> > how much farther over the last 6 years?
>
> One trip to the NBA final four, versus two trips for Portland (1999 and
2000).

Since 2000 it only depended on which round each met the lakers and then last
year the Mavs.

>
> > West built the winner and he seems to prefer the talent of the player
that
> > was being booed by his own fans in portland over the less talented nice
> > guy.....
>
> I have a feeling Rasheed might be in Memphis next year too.

I think 'Sheed will go somewhere for the mid-level looking for a ring. Him
and Duncan would be a nice front line and I would guess Pop would try it..


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wrapped in a headband." S.I.
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Anywhere but here. He might well work out in San Antonio, where he
won't have to carry the load and won't be expected to be a "leader,"
and can just put up some numbers and shrink into the background.
Question is, what does SA have to give up? Well it obviously ain't
Duncan, and then there's a sharp drop off in comparable talent from
there. They could package some players, but I don't see any
combination of players on the Spurs' roster that fills Portland's
needs. Ginobli, Parker, and Rose? Any of them? All of them?
Doesn't help Portland a bit. More logjam at those positions.
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"Spread Eagle" <redsky RemoveThis @virtualhosts.net> wrote in message
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> Anywhere but here.


The coaching staff are jocking to keep him. I am with them. Replacing his
talent will be almost impossible. They may get drug down into the bottom
feeders and stay there.

He might well work out in San Antonio, where he
> won't have to carry the load and won't be expected to be a "leader,"
> and can just put up some numbers and shrink into the background.

He is sacrificing his game for Zach now by playing out of position. That is
also leadership. He makes Zach better, the lead disappears everytime he
sits down....


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redsky DeleteThis @virtualhosts.net (Spread Eagle) wrote in message news:<7059619f.0312230747.29cb0adb DeleteThis @posting.google.com>...
> Anywhere but here. He might well work out in San Antonio, where he
> won't have to carry the load and won't be expected to be a "leader,"
> and can just put up some numbers and shrink into the background.
> Question is, what does SA have to give up?

Nothing really. San Antonio isn't spending that much this year, and
after this season Mercer and Turkoglu are free agents. So they'll have
money to keep Ginobili and sign Wallace without doing a trade.

> Well it obviously ain't Duncan, and then there's a sharp drop off in
> comparable talent from there. They could package some players, but I
> don't see any combination of players on the Spurs' roster that fills
> Portland's needs. Ginobli, Parker, and Rose? Any of them? All of them?
> Doesn't help Portland a bit. More logjam at those positions.

Laurel was talking about Rasheed signing with SA as a free agent.
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<vuhbv0g8kd6o92.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>...

> 'Sheed will be a free agent this summer and SA may be under the cap or
> 'Sheed go there for the mid-level. They do not have to give up anything.

Don't think Portland will let it get that far, if there's anything
they can do to stop it. Re-sign, and if he won't re-sign, trade. I
guess it all comes down to whether Rasheed wants to stay in Portland,
or get out of Portland, and how bad either way.
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