The Problem With The Blazers Is.....

"toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > He is sacrificing his game for Zach now by playing out of position. That
> is
> > also leadership. He makes Zach better, the lead disappears everytime he
> > sits down....
>
> How many years does a guy play a position before you finally call it his
> position? He was out of position when grant was here, last year, this
> year, there's really no signs of him ever going back to PF.

He started at PF (or came off the bench behind Grant at his request in 1999)
from 1999 though last season. It was Grant's first season and this year he
has started at SF. If you can not see a problem with him trying to defend
the quick SFs as part of their defensive woes I can not help ya...=)
Against most teams I think they should try starting him at Center, patterson
at SF with davis off the bench. Perhaps it wouuld not work, but it would be
worth a try against the rest of the PFs playing center.


If he goes to
> San Antonio or Dallas, he won't start at PF over Walker or Duncan. Duncan
> don't want to be a C. i don't think he'll end up in either locations.

dallas could use him at center.....
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> > > He is sacrificing his game for Zach now by playing out of position.
That
> > is
> > > also leadership. He makes Zach better, the lead disappears everytime
he
> > > sits down....
> >
> > How many years does a guy play a position before you finally call it his
> > position? He was out of position when grant was here, last year, this
> > year, there's really no signs of him ever going back to PF.
>
> He started at PF (or came off the bench behind Grant at his request in
1999)
> from 1999 though last season. It was Grant's first season and this year he
> has started at SF. If you can not see a problem with him trying to defend
> the quick SFs as part of their defensive woes I can not help ya...=)
> Against most teams I think they should try starting him at Center,
patterson
> at SF with davis off the bench. Perhaps it wouuld not work, but it would
be
> worth a try against the rest of the PFs playing center.

flashback again. Hey, Iverson's been a SG for about 3 years, but he's still
a PG. Sprewell's been out of position for years, but he's still a SG.
Wallace has been playing SF for 4 years, but he's still a PF.

guys are playing out of position all over the NBA. It's not about what
they're considered to be doing, it's what they ARE doing. Rasheed IS a SF.
It's doubtful he'll ever be a PF again, so what do you continue using this
argument? accept he's a small forward, call him one, move on, and quit
trying to convince people otherwise. He can SWING multiple positions. We
all know what he can do, but the bottom line is, he isn't. Zach is the PF
and will be as long as he's healthy and starting in Portland and that means
Wallace's days as a PF are probably over and done with other than spot duty.


> If he goes to
> > San Antonio or Dallas, he won't start at PF over Walker or Duncan.
Duncan
> > don't want to be a C. i don't think he'll end up in either locations.
>
> dallas could use him at center.....

wallace has to get bigger or he'll get too beat up and start whining like
cliff robinson and robert horry.

It's doubtful he'll ever go there, but if he does, he won't play center.
they'll play dirk there before wallace. and I'll make a bet with you on
that hypothetical. IF Sheed goes there and IF Dirk's still there. and IF
Antoine is still their starting PF. By the way, have you seen Jamison
lately? Kicking some serious ass... getting solid minutes. And Antoine as
well. Seems to be shooting better this year and really coming into his own
as a great all-around player... those 2 are playing consistently better than
anyone in Dallas.
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> Wallace has been playing SF for 4 years, but he's still a PF.

So Pippen and Bonzi were playing PF...right....

> guys are playing out of position all over the NBA.
>It's not about what
> they're considered to be doing, it's what they ARE doing. Rasheed IS a
SF.
> It's doubtful he'll ever be a PF again, so what do you continue using this
> argument? accept he's a small forward, call him one, move on, and quit
> trying to convince people otherwise. He can SWING multiple positions.

Playing the style of a small forward while starting at PF or center does not
match him up defensively against the small forwards. This line up does. He
has been playing PF since 1998.
I love that he is versatile enough to play 3 posions, but that does not mean
he is equally effective at all 3 spots.


We
> all know what he can do, but the bottom line is, he isn't. Zach is the PF
> and will be as long as he's healthy and starting in Portland and that
means
> Wallace's days as a PF are probably over and done with other than spot
duty.

So try him at Center. a couple of years ago he started at center for 2
months while Sabas was out and put up very good numbers.

>
>
> > If he goes to
> > > San Antonio or Dallas, he won't start at PF over Walker or Duncan.
> Duncan
> > > don't want to be a C. i don't think he'll end up in either locations.
> >
> > dallas could use him at center.....
>
> wallace has to get bigger or he'll get too beat up and start whining like
> cliff robinson and robert horry.
>
> It's doubtful he'll ever go there, but if he does, he won't play center.
> they'll play dirk there before wallace.

Well we are talking about Nellie so likely you are right, why put the good
defensive post player in the middle....

and I'll make a bet with you on
> that hypothetical. IF Sheed goes there and IF Dirk's still there. and IF
> Antoine is still their starting PF. By the way, have you seen Jamison
> lately? Kicking some serious ass... getting solid minutes. And Antoine
as
> well. Seems to be shooting better this year and really coming into his
own
> as a great all-around player... those 2 are playing consistently better
than
> anyone in Dallas.

Jamison is playing well.
Walker 43% fga, 28% on 3s while jacking up 5 a game...50% on FTs 40% the
last 10 games... yeah great shooter.
I would still take Finley or Dirk on his 2 sprained ankles...


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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:48:18 -0800, "Terraholm"
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>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:46:45 -0800, "Terraholm"
>> >
>> >But hell the grass is greener in Sacramento....=)
>>
>> yeah....they get their grass seed from oregon
>
>
>likely some leaf as well...=)

LOL! You know it!


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that is ludicrous to say that Rasheed has mostly played small forward.
I do remember for a while back in the B. Grant days that Sheed started
at small forward a few games. I also remember him starting at center
for a while, particularly while Sabas was out, or playing limited
minutes. and Sheed even came off the bench for a while as a 6th man.
He is very versatile, and he is a team player.
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its not so much what style you play on offense, its more important what
defensive position you play. Rasheed may play more like a SF on
offense, but on defense his natural position is PF. We have the same
situation in Seattle where everyone insists we have 2 starting small
forwards, but in reallity Rashard is a small forward, but Radmanovic is
a power forward. he defends PF's better than SF's.
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Sabonis used to stand behind the 3 point line and shoot sometimes, and
yet I have never heard anyone proclaim him anything but a center. are
we now to assume he was a shooting guard?
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> > > 'Sheed will be a free agent this summer and SA may be under the cap or
> > > 'Sheed go there for the mid-level. They do not have to give up
anything.
> >
> > Don't think Portland will let it get that far, if there's anything
> > they can do to stop it. Re-sign, and if he won't re-sign, trade.
>
> Unless they trade him before the deadline it is totally up to 'Sheed. If
he
> walks he walks. If SA did not offer anything portland could use in a sign
> and trade they would likely prefer the salary dump. 'Sheed has said
several
> times without a ring his career will be a waste. (Toad kinda guy) So where
> would he at age 30 choose to shop himself in looking for a ring? Memphis?
>
> I
> > guess it all comes down to whether Rasheed wants to stay in Portland,
> > or get out of Portland, and how bad either way.
>
> I think he would like to stay. Have to see if he gets an offer.


Has Nash said anything about Wallace and what he wants to do?

i thought he was one of the clearance specials. We have a blue light
special in the athletic department, we're pawning off Rasheed to the highest
bidder.
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> Has Nash said anything about Wallace and what he wants to do?

He has not ruled out re-signing him.

>
> i thought he was one of the clearance specials. We have a blue light
> special in the athletic department, we're pawning off Rasheed to the
highest
> bidder.

They turned down the highest bidders so far so I guess not.


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> Sabonis used to stand behind the 3 point line and shoot sometimes, and
> yet I have never heard anyone proclaim him anything but a center. are
> we now to assume he was a shooting guard?

I thought he was a point center.
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> Zach is playing PF ahead of Sheed because he's bigger, he can throw his
> weight around, and it's more advantageous for portland to utilize him at
PF
> while keeping Sheed at SF.

Zach is starting ahead of 'Sheed at PF because he is a one dimensional
player that only fits that position. To have them both start the versatile
player that *can* play 3 positions is the one that gave up the position. If
'Sheed could not play 3 positions Zach would still be coming off the bench
behind 'Sheed as the better all around player.
That there is a log jam at PF does not turn SF into 'Sheed's best or
preferred position and he is still matched up against the PFs often on
defense.


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well, Bonzi was a power guard
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I'm not sure of the source, but I have heard that even though Zachs
stats might look better at this time Sheed is still the better overall
player. When they put out the plus minus stats Sheed is better and the
team does better when he is on the court. Zach doesnt necessarily make
the team better.
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