RealGM: Lakers Offer Odom For Artest

On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n....RemoveThis@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>
> Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
> Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>
> According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
> regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
> Odom.
>

As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us take
Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
giving him a long term contract after that 8^).

Rob
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On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n... RemoveThis @SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>
> >http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>
> > Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
> > Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>
> > According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
> > regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
> > Odom.
>
> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
> for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
> better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
> Kings are even really considering it)  is that Sac will make us take
> Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
> bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
> and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
> fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
> giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>
> Rob

IF Artest flames out?

IF? More like WHEN.
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Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.... DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n... DeleteThis @SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>>> Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
>>> Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>>> According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
>>> regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
>>> Odom.
>> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
>> for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
>> better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
>> Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us take
>> Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
>> bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
>> and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
>> fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
>> giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>>
>> Rob
>
> IF Artest flames out?
>
> IF? More like WHEN.



His game is hardly in decline right now.

-JC
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On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n... RemoveThis @SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>
> >http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>
> > Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
> > Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>
> > According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
> > regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
> > Odom.
>
> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
> for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
> better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
> Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us take
> Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
> bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
> and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
> fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
> giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>
> Rob

IF Artest flames out?

IF? More like WHEN.

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Probably. It's like Rodman all over again and everyone points to how well
it worked out for the Bulls but they forget what a disaster he was in SA.

On the other hand, when you're trying to make a step from great to able to
dethrone the champs, you have to take some risks (OK, unless you're dealing
with the Grizz).

I'm already on record saying if PJ and Kobe are OK with this, I'm OK with
it. I like Lamar a lot and would LOVE to see him stick around somehow
(somebody mentioned a Farmar/Mihm/Ariza for Artest deal that would be
fantastic) but Artest would simply be a better positional fit for the Lakers
and would address some serious shortcomings.

brink
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Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
> On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n....RemoveThis@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>>> Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
>>> Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>>> According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
>>> regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
>>> Odom.
>> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
>> for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
>> better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
>> Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us take
>> Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
>> bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
>> and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
>> fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
>> giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>>
>> Rob
>
> IF Artest flames out?
>
> IF? More like WHEN.

Exactly. It's Rodman II. Even given that we have Phil Jackson to
hold the butterfly net. Artest is a headcase. The Laker front office
is on drugs.
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Avant Grape wrote:
> Blazer Fan Dan wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n... RemoveThis @SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>>>>
>>>> Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
>>>> Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>>>> According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
>>>> regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
>>>> Odom.
>>> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
>>> for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
>>> better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
>>> Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us take
>>> Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
>>> bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
>>> and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
>>> fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
>>> giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>> IF Artest flames out?
>>
>> IF? More like WHEN.
>
>
>
> His game is hardly in decline right now.

Just wait until the next time he asks for a month off in
the middle of the season to promote a rap CD or something
similar.
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On Jul 10, 9:49 pm, Chainsaw <n....TakeThisOut@all.net> wrote:

> > IF Artest flames out?
>
> > IF? More like WHEN.
>
> Exactly. It's Rodman II. Even given that we have Phil Jackson to
> hold the butterfly net. Artest is a headcase. The Laker front office
> is on drugs.

As a person who wants to see the Lakers melt down, I'm for this
trade..but as a basketball fan, in the purest sense, I don't see how
this trade is a smart thing to do, at this time.

remember, this is the guy who cracked Jordan in the ribs as a rookie
(or whatever the legend is). Michael. Jordan.

He still doesn't know his place in the league, and Sacramento taking a
dump the last few seasons didn't humble him as much as you'd think.
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Chainsaw wrote:

> The Laker front office is on drugs.

and alcohol, "escorts" and comb-overs.
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brink wrote:
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> "Blazer Fan Dan" <BlazerFanDan DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.... DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n... DeleteThis @SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>>
>> > Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
>> > Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>>
>> > According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
>> > regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
>> > Odom.
>>
>> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth trying
>> for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF ...
>> better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming the
>> Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us take
>> Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ... major
>> bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after next year
>> and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this would be that he
>> fits well with the team, and then you're faced with the decision on
>> giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>>
>> Rob
>
> IF Artest flames out?
>
> IF? More like WHEN.
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Probably. It's like Rodman all over again and everyone points to how
> well it worked out for the Bulls but they forget what a disaster he was
> in SA.
>
> On the other hand, when you're trying to make a step from great to able
> to dethrone the champs, you have to take some risks (OK, unless you're
> dealing with the Grizz).
>
> I'm already on record saying if PJ and Kobe are OK with this, I'm OK
> with it. I like Lamar a lot and would LOVE to see him stick around
> somehow (somebody mentioned a Farmar/Mihm/Ariza for Artest deal that
> would be fantastic)


Now that would be a pretty foolish trade. Why trade youth for Artest
when we have a declining player like Odom who somebody might be dumb
enough to take on? Has it ever dawned on anyone that Lamar has lost a
lot of his quickness over the years? Ariza is going to be a key guy for
us, and unlike Odom, I think he can still develop into a pretty decent
three point shooter. Plus, his D is excellent.

-JC
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>  How is he not a team player?
>
> -JC


Yes, and in what way IS Odom a team player? (Besides being the team
source for Panama Red.)
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On Jul 10, 9:33 pm, "$Bill" <n... DeleteThis @SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_o...
>
> Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
> Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
>
> According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
> regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
> Odom.
>
> Kings' basketball President Geoff Petrie declined comment on whether
> the Lakers had called.
>
> "Right now, (Artest is) just a terrific player to have on your roster,
> " Petrie said.  "I don't really have any speculation one way or another
> (about his future). We'll see what other things – not specific to Ron –
> but if there's some other way we can improve the team or change the
> team, we'll take a look at it."
>
> Via Sacramento Bee

speaking as a celtics fan, this is a great trade...for the other 28
teams in the league. sacramento gets no better, and the lakers get
worse when artest implodes.
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mozark wrote:
>> How is he not a team player?
>>
>> -JC
>
>
> Yes, and in what way IS Odom a team player? (Besides being the team
> source for Panama Red.)
>


It's amazing how protective people are of this guy. Odom goes out and
parties during the championship series, completely tanks and he's
supposed to be considered a class guy? Hey, he's popular in the Laker
locker room because he throws great parties. Great!

I've had enough of him. Yeah, yeah...some day he'll develop an outside
shot and play consistent D. Maybe by the time he retires...

-JC
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> >> brink wrote:
> >>> "Blazer Fan Dan" <BlazerFan....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>> ... On Jul 10, 7:23 pm, rdavis <davis.....DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 10, 6:33 pm, "$Bill" <n....DeleteThis@SPAMOLAtodbe.com> wrote:
>
> >http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53510/20080710/source_lakers_
> >>>>> o...
> >>>>> Lakers Offer Odom For Artest
> >>>>> Jul 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST
> >>>>> According to a league source, the Lakers have contacted the Kings
> >>>>> regarding Ron Artest and are believed to be offering forward Lamar
> >>>>> Odom.
> >>>> As much as I actually like Lamar, this would be a gamble worth
> >>>> trying for the Lakers. Artest fulfills two of their big needs at SF
> >>>> ... better D and a decent shooter. The downside of this is (assuming
> >>>> the Kings are even really considering it) is that Sac will make us
> >>>> take Kenny Thomas's contract at $8+mil for the next 2 years ...
> >>>> major bummer 8^(. If Artest flames out, his contract is up after
> >>>> next year and we just let him go. The actual scary part of this
> >>>> would be that he fits well with the team, and then you're faced with
> >>>> the decision on giving him a long term contract after that 8^).
>
> >>>> Rob
> >>> IF Artest flames out?
>
> >>> IF? More like WHEN.
>
> >>> ---------------------------------------
>
> >>> Probably.  It's like Rodman all over again and everyone points to how
> >>> well it worked out for the Bulls but they forget what a disaster he
> >>> was in SA.
>
> >>> On the other hand, when you're trying to make a step from great to
> >>> able to dethrone the champs, you have to take some risks (OK, unless
> >>> you're dealing with the Grizz).
>
> >>> I'm already on record saying if PJ and Kobe are OK with this, I'm OK
> >>> with it.  I like Lamar a lot and would LOVE to see him stick around
> >>> somehow (somebody mentioned a Farmar/Mihm/Ariza for Artest deal that
> >>> would be fantastic)
>
> >> Now that would be a pretty foolish trade.  Why trade youth for Artest
> >> when we have a declining player like Odom who somebody might be dumb
> >> enough to take on?  Has it ever dawned on anyone that Lamar has lost a
> >> lot of his quickness over the years?  Ariza is going to be a key guy
> >> for us, and unlike Odom, I think he can still develop into a pretty
> >> decent three point shooter.  Plus, his D is excellent.
>
> > If were a straight trade, Odom for Artest, I still wouldn't do it
> > because Artest is not a team player.
>
> I don't get this statement.  Artest works as hard as anyone in the game
> on the defensive end and he's hardly a ball hogger when it comes to his
> offensive game.  How is he not a team player?
>
> -JC- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not sure if you've watched him play lately, but he does not
consistently work hard (although I think he would get up for big games
in the playoffs) and he dominates the ball on the offensive end.
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