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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:14:43 -0700, "Terraholm"
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>> If Allen buys out Francis, he may have spent enough money this summer.
>> So that would leave 2 possible scenarios: Trading Joel or waiving
>> Lafrentz. I'd choose the latter because even when Raef's contract is
>> an expiring one, I don't think portland would get anything of value
>> for him.
>
>Depends on who is looking to dump salary to get under the cap next summer. It is the prime Free
>Agent year.

>Maybe they can buy out Miles to free up a spot.

maybe I'm unsure about buyout provisions. If Miles agreed to a
buyout...it would be for anywhere form the full amount down to zero.
It's unlikely he would agree to much of a reduction. And his contract
would still be calculated on the same duration. If he agreed to a 24
million buyout in lieu of his 27 million contract it would just be 8
million a year over 3 years. That would save money and free up a
roster spot. Ideally, he comes back....looks great, and portland
trades him for either a "missing piece" or an expiring contract. That
is VERY unlikely. Or, he tries to comeback and it becomes apparent his
knees are no longer NBA knees and he takes a medcal retirement.

In Francis's case, reports are that there is a negotiated and
finalized buyout provision that was transferrable with his contract. I
don't know that is true but if it is, according to the CBA it would be
a team option for 50% of his final year's salary.
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>> As to Martel: it's been my hunch, and quick fairly well confirmed it,
>> that the next 6-7 months are sink or swim time for him. Both Nate and
>> KP have given multiple hints that their patience is wearing thin with
>> martel's "progression". The coaches, the FO, the fans all realize that
>> if Martel could become the kind of player his athleticism and shooting
>> stroke "foretell" then he'd be the solution at SF and even backup SG.
>> But a ton of physical tools aren't making up for a pound of basketball
>> IQ.
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>Yeah. He was supposed to go with Zach, then someone (not KP) figured out the 'send Freddy and get
>another Jones' trade exception idea. Travis had a good 4th year, maybe Martell will wake up too.

I watched d the webcast of the summer league game last night. Same old
lost and befuddled Martel (Gerald Green ate him for lunch...drove
around martel at will). He looked terrible for 3+ quarters, then in
the 4th Q, he started playing aggressive and looked much better. In
other words, more of the "bad" martel then the "good" version. With
just enough display of the athleticism and shooting stoke that makes
it hard to label him a bust.

This thing I'm convinced of: martel as a SG will be difficult. He's
better at SF, but with travis and James Jones it's hard to see martel
getting many or consistent minutes. he's a real dilemna for the
blazers.
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>> And considering that the blazers are apparently targeting the summer
>> of 2009 for cap space room, martel's projected salary of 5 million is
>> a major "hey...wait a minute!".
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>If they take the 4th year option I think more likely they let him walk that summer in '09... unless
>a trade is just for a pick from some team under the cap.
> Even if they wanted to keep him that 5 mil is the qualifying offer if they retain restricted FA
>rights. If Webster took it, it is one season. If they are clearing cap room they could not make the
>qualifing offer and just keep his FA rights. or they can just renounce his rights totally.
>
>>So I predict either Martel starts the
>> season showing major progress in his game or he will be traded by next
>> Feb.
>
>They have to decide before the season if they are taking his 4th year option. By Nov. he may be
>another ending contract. Trouble is if they do not take the option he has a breakout season and they
>can not re-sign with their Bird rights and have to have cap space or use the MLE...

I don't understand that...what would be the difference between martel
at the end of his 4th year and travis right now?
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mmasw wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:14:43 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> If Allen buys out Francis, he may have spent enough money this
>>> summer. So that would leave 2 possible scenarios: Trading Joel or
>>> waiving Lafrentz. I'd choose the latter because even when Raef's
>>> contract is an expiring one, I don't think portland would get
>>> anything of value for him.
>>
>> Depends on who is looking to dump salary to get under the cap next
>> summer. It is the prime Free Agent year.
>
>> Maybe they can buy out Miles to free up a spot.
>
> maybe I'm unsure about buyout provisions. If Miles agreed to a
> buyout...it would be for anywhere form the full amount down to zero.
> It's unlikely he would agree to much of a reduction. And his contract
> would still be calculated on the same duration. If he agreed to a 24
> million buyout in lieu of his 27 million contract it would just be 8
> million a year over 3 years.

And while that would be on the cap and what we care about he might agree to actually get it over a
longer stretch. Say 4 mil per for 6 years.


That would save money and free up a
> roster spot. Ideally, he comes back....looks great, and portland
> trades him for either a "missing piece" or an expiring contract. That
> is VERY unlikely.

Or he gets the buy-out, signs with another team on cheap for a year and a option year and earns
another better contract. Any buy-out he would likely not be able to double dip. So if in a year in
your above buy-out if he got a 3 mil contract next summer the blazers would have 5 mil against the
cap instead of 8. Even at minimum it takes some off.

> Or, he tries to comeback and it becomes apparent his
> knees are no longer NBA knees and he takes a medcal retirement.

Hard to get a medical retirement. (Despite Canzano wishing it so) The league and Union's choice of
doctor has to be convinced they will not be able to play again for several years.

>
> In Francis's case, reports are that there is a negotiated and
> finalized buyout provision that was transferrable with his contract. I
> don't know that is true but if it is, according to the CBA it would be
> a team option for 50% of his final year's salary.

That up to 50% buy out can be in a contract for an option year or an ETO. He had an option year
and perhaps it could be transfered to the team? Or he has just agreed not to exercise the option.

A more usual buy-out basically they agree to an amount and then the player is waived and when they
clear waivers then officially the contract is lessened for the guaranteed compensation.

>>


>>> So I predict either Martel starts the
>>> season showing major progress in his game or he will be traded by
>>> next Feb.
>>
>> They have to decide before the season if they are taking his 4th
>> year option. By Nov. he may be another ending contract. Trouble is
>> if they do not take the option he has a breakout season and they can
>> not re-sign with their Bird rights and have to have cap space or use
>> the MLE...
>
> I don't understand that...what would be the difference between martel
> at the end of his 4th year and travis right now?


The 4th year is a team option year.
But they can not wait until after the 3rd season to decide, it has to be exercised before their 3rd
season.

Before a 1st round pick's third season the team has a choice to make.
Blazers took Outlaw's 4th year option which made him a RFA this summer.
In the same time frame before Zach's 4th year they gave him an extension that started his 5th year.
The third possible choice is not to take the 4th year option at all.

So if they are sure now martell is not in their long term plans they could just not pick up that 4th
year option and after this year he would be an unrestricted FA.

It is a gamble on the bubble bust or potential star.

That choice also comes with the provision that they can not re-sign a rookie FA after 3 years with
their Bird rights. If over the cap they have to use another exception. That plugs a loophole where a
team could not pick up an option on a star player to give him a max contract after 3 years.


LA did not pick up George's 4th year. So he had a steller season (his 1st and last) and they gave
him their full MLE that summer when they could have had him that year for about 1 mil, used the
exception elsewhere and had RFA rights the next year.


Now the 3rd year is also a team option that must be exercised before their 2nd year. So the Blazers
have paperwork top file on 6 rookie contracts this fall. The rest are no brainers though... =)


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This roster does not make sense. They seem to really like Oden, LMA,
and Frye. They seem intent on signing TO, who plays better at the 2
than the 3. They used valuable draft picks on Freeland and McRoberts.
Prbz was the starting center most of last year.

OTOH look at the smalls. They don't seem interested in resigning IME,
they can't be very hopeful about MW turning into an NBA player, they
hardly talk about Jack, Sergio Rodriguez is struggling, Rudy F is not
coming over this year. Miles and Francis don't seem likely to be
factors. James is a pretty weak 3. Frye is not a 3, his best position
is center. Neither is McRoberts.

They don't look like serious players in the FA market, except to sign
TO and Blake.

I have to think, given all this, that Jack, Prbz, (and maybe MW and
RF) are on the block, or already traded, for a starting 3, and that
Blake is a sure thing.

So here is my opening day roster:

Oden, LMA, Frye, Outlaw, Battier, James, Roy, Blake, SR, Green,
Freeland, MW.
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Terraholm wrote:
> mmasw wrote:

>> In Francis's case, reports are that there is a negotiated and
>> finalized buyout provision that was transferrable with his contract.
>> I don't know that is true but if it is, according to the CBA it
>> would be a team option for 50% of his final year's salary.
>
> That up to 50% buy out can be in a contract for an option year or an
> ETO. He had an option year and perhaps it could be transfered to
> the team? Or he has just agreed not to exercise the option.
> A more usual buy-out basically they agree to an amount and then the
> player is waived and when they clear waivers then officially the
> contract is lessened for the guaranteed compensation.

The 50% buy out in his contract apperantly was someones fantasy. They bought his 34 out at 30 mil.
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In article <1184027341.454135.273440.RemoveThis@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
dunlop212 <ed_hagen.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> OTOH look at the smalls. They don't seem interested in resigning IME,
> they can't be very hopeful about MW turning into an NBA player, they
> hardly talk about Jack, Sergio Rodriguez is struggling, Rudy F is not
> coming over this year. Miles and Francis don't seem likely to be
> factors. James is a pretty weak 3. Frye is not a 3, his best position
> is center. Neither is McRoberts.


FWIW, some of the Knicks' best ball was played with a huge frontline of
Frye, Lee and Curry all playing at the same time, though I believe Lee
was defending opposing SFs in that line-up. They killed the Bulls with
it, and it appears to have been more effective than their conventional
line-up:

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607NYK2.HTM

Of course, Frye doesn't have a prayer of defending quick SFs, (though
he's no giant defending brawny PFs, either).
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