Rumor about Mihm

On Jul 10, 2:00 pm, MB <k....TakeThisOut@al.com> wrote:
> You think these guys can't tell between being immobile due to an unhealed
> injury and just being out of condition? Like getting winded would be the
> difference between $5.5 million and $2 million?

Yes. If Mikki Moore came in and wasn't winded. And then Milicic came
in and wasn't winded. If you're going to spend 5.5 million, you
probably would prefer to spend it on someone who can come right in and
play.
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LFan wrote:
> On Jul 10, 2:00 pm, MB <k....DeleteThis@al.com> wrote:
>
>> You think these guys can't tell between being immobile due to an unhealed
>>injury and just being out of condition? Like getting winded would be the
>>difference between $5.5 million and $2 million?
>
>
> Yes. If Mikki Moore came in and wasn't winded. And then Milicic came
> in and wasn't winded. If you're going to spend 5.5 million, you
> probably would prefer to spend it on someone who can come right in and
> play.

So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise, but because the guy still has to
get in shape, they'll give the MLE to a lesser player, and Mihm's salary drops
almost 65%? I don't think so. If he was looking that good, they'd be willing
to let him get in shape.

If he ends up getting $2 million, it means he was never going to get more
than $3- or $3.5- million. If those guys get an MLE, it's because they were
better in more than just their conditioning.
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On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k....RemoveThis@al.com> wrote:
> So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise,

Hold on, who said the workout went brilliantly. The quote was that he
"has recovered physically". That hardly spells brilliant workout to
me. Maybe he was able to run a couple of laps of the gym without
collapsing in excruciating pain, but couldn't hit a shot other than a
layup to save his life. That would constitute "has recovered
physically."

> but because the guy still has to
> get in shape, they'll give the MLE to a lesser player, and Mihm's salary drops
> almost 65%? I don't think so. If he was looking that good, they'd be willing
> to let him get in shape.
>
> If he ends up getting $2 million, it means he was never going to get more
> than $3- or $3.5- million. If those guys get an MLE, it's because they were
> better in more than just their conditioning.

Well, for starters, Mikki Moore had the highest field goal percentage
of ANYONE in the playoffs and played pretty well for New Jersey last
year. The downside on him is that he's 31, so giving him a 5 year
contract isn't going to happen. New York offered him 3 years at 3
million and he turned it down. He might get a full MLE or he might
not, but he's more ready to play than Mihm at this point.

And with Darko it's all about upside. Ask Kwame about it some time.

Believe it or not, Mihm and Mikki Moore and Darko Milicic are the
"cream of the crop" of big men in free agency this year. So who do
you gamble on -- the guy who was badly injured and hasn't made it all
the way back to game shape yet? The guy that's playing well but
getting a little long in the tooth? Or the youngster who hasn't lived
up to his hype yet?

To be honest, Chicago tends to be fiscally conservative lately and
they have to re-sign Deng and Gordon soon, so I doubt they offer a
full MLE to anybody.
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On Jul 10, 10:12 pm, Granville Waiters' Ghost <x....DeleteThis@x.x> wrote:
> In article <1184127180.059186.92....DeleteThis@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> LFan <goo....DeleteThis@perry.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k....DeleteThis@al.com> wrote:
> > > So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise,
>
> > Hold on, who said the workout went brilliantly. The quote was that he
> > "has recovered physically". That hardly spells brilliant workout to
> > me. Maybe he was able to run a couple of laps of the gym without
> > collapsing in excruciating pain, but couldn't hit a shot other than a
> > layup to save his life. That would constitute "has recovered
> > physically."
>
> Or he was able to jump without wincing and run without a limp but at a
> slower-than-usual rate (not only has Mihm played for three teams, but
> his draft info is out there, so what should be "normal" for him isn't
> exactly a secret). Or he had flab or poor muscle tone.
>
> > Well, for starters, Mikki Moore ...
> > ... New York offered him 3 years at 3
> > million and he turned it down.
>
> Jersey offered that.

Brain fart. Yeah, New Jersey.
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LFan wrote:
> On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k....DeleteThis@al.com> wrote:
>
>> So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise,
>
>
> Hold on, who said the workout went brilliantly. The quote was that he
> "has recovered physically". That hardly spells brilliant workout to
> me. Maybe he was able to run a couple of laps of the gym without
> collapsing in excruciating pain, but couldn't hit a shot other than a
> layup to save his life. That would constitute "has recovered
> physically."

I got more of the impression he was getting has game back (shooting,
ball handling skills and such), but didn't have his wind/endurance back yet.
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LFan wrote:
> On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k... RemoveThis @al.com> wrote:
>
>> So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise,
>
>
> Hold on, who said the workout went brilliantly. The quote was that he
> "has recovered physically". That hardly spells brilliant workout to
> me. Maybe he was able to run a couple of laps of the gym without
> collapsing in excruciating pain, but couldn't hit a shot other than a
> layup to save his life. That would constitute "has recovered
> physically."
>
>
>>but because the guy still has to
>>get in shape, they'll give the MLE to a lesser player, and Mihm's salary drops
>>almost 65%? I don't think so. If he was looking that good, they'd be willing
>>to let him get in shape.
>>
>> If he ends up getting $2 million, it means he was never going to get more
>>than $3- or $3.5- million. If those guys get an MLE, it's because they were
>>better in more than just their conditioning.
>
>
> Well, for starters, Mikki Moore had the highest field goal percentage
> of ANYONE in the playoffs and played pretty well for New Jersey last
> year. The downside on him is that he's 31, so giving him a 5 year
> contract isn't going to happen. New York offered him 3 years at 3
> million and he turned it down. He might get a full MLE or he might
> not, but he's more ready to play than Mihm at this point.
>
> And with Darko it's all about upside. Ask Kwame about it some time.
>
> Believe it or not, Mihm and Mikki Moore and Darko Milicic are the
> "cream of the crop" of big men in free agency this year. So who do
> you gamble on -- the guy who was badly injured and hasn't made it all
> the way back to game shape yet? The guy that's playing well but
> getting a little long in the tooth? Or the youngster who hasn't lived
> up to his hype yet?

How come Magloire can't get any love.

I say split the MLE between Fisher and an athletic SF to play defense on the
perimeter. Sign Mihm. Sign 'n' trade (Cook? A 2nd-round pick? I don't
know) for Magloire, since Portland probably has little use for him at this
point. Trade Brown, Bynum, Odom for something really, really good.

Of course, some of these admittedly broad suggestions are contingent upon the
other ones. The Lakers should see what's going to happen with Garnett and
O'Neal. THEN work on replacing those outgoing big men with Mihm and Magloire.

Voila!
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MB wrote:
> LFan wrote:
>> On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k....TakeThisOut@al.com> wrote:

> How come Magloire can't get any love.

Because no one could wrap their arms around him... ;-)
>
> I say split the MLE between Fisher and an athletic SF to play defense
> on the perimeter. Sign Mihm. Sign 'n' trade (Cook? A 2nd-round
> pick? I don't know) for Magloire, since Portland probably has little
> use for him at this point.

His use was as an ending contract...it ended...
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"LFan" <google.TakeThisOut@perry.com> wrote in message
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> >From K.C. Johnson - Chicago Tribune staff reporter -
>
>
> In an odd way, that's good news for the Lakers. If Mihm was at full
> strength and good to go, one of the two or three teams that's looking
> at him would probably offer him the MLE. If he's healthy but looking
> sluggish, maybe the Lakers can get him for 2 million a year for a
> couple of seasons and bring him back slowly.
>

Agree. 2 mil is just about what I'de hope we'd sogn him for.
Workouts/tryouts are to see what a player can, or can't, do. Not only does
Mihm have being out of shape working against him, he also has the 2 year
layoff.

Hoping he falls back into our hands for a nominal sum.

Greg
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greg brown wrote:
> "LFan" <google.TakeThisOut@perry.com> wrote in message
> news:1184089009.228173.160060@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>> From K.C. Johnson - Chicago Tribune staff reporter -
>>
>>
>> In an odd way, that's good news for the Lakers. If Mihm was at full
>> strength and good to go, one of the two or three teams that's looking
>> at him would probably offer him the MLE. If he's healthy but looking
>> sluggish, maybe the Lakers can get him for 2 million a year for a
>> couple of seasons and bring him back slowly.
>>
>
> Agree. 2 mil is just about what I'de hope we'd sogn him for.
> Workouts/tryouts are to see what a player can, or can't, do. Not only
> does Mihm have being out of shape working against him, he also has
> the 2 year layoff.
>
> Hoping he falls back into our hands for a nominal sum.

He is also headed for Vegas to work out for the Suns.
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_ RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> greg brown wrote:
>>
>> Hoping he falls back into our hands for a nominal sum.
>
> He is also headed for Vegas to work out for the Suns.
>

Hoping he falls back into our hands for a nominal sum.

(Gee, wheres the "rolleyes" icon when you really need one.)

Greg
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In article <1184127180.059186.92130.TakeThisOut@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
LFan <google.TakeThisOut@perry.com> wrote:

> On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k....TakeThisOut@al.com> wrote:
> > So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise,
>
> Hold on, who said the workout went brilliantly. The quote was that he
> "has recovered physically". That hardly spells brilliant workout to
> me. Maybe he was able to run a couple of laps of the gym without
> collapsing in excruciating pain, but couldn't hit a shot other than a
> layup to save his life. That would constitute "has recovered
> physically."


Or he was able to jump without wincing and run without a limp but at a
slower-than-usual rate (not only has Mihm played for three teams, but
his draft info is out there, so what should be "normal" for him isn't
exactly a secret). Or he had flab or poor muscle tone.


> Well, for starters, Mikki Moore had the highest field goal percentage
> of ANYONE in the playoffs and played pretty well for New Jersey last
> year. The downside on him is that he's 31, so giving him a 5 year
> contract isn't going to happen. New York offered him 3 years at 3
> million and he turned it down.


Jersey offered that.


> Believe it or not, Mihm and Mikki Moore and Darko Milicic are the
> "cream of the crop" of big men in free agency this year.


And Joe Smith. Dare to dream. :-)


> To be honest, Chicago tends to be fiscally conservative lately and
> they have to re-sign Deng and Gordon soon, so I doubt they offer a
> full MLE to anybody.


Mihm being "not in game shape" is the kiss of death from Chicago. It's
code and after three+ seasons of Skiles and Paxson, the local
sportswriters are able to figure it out.
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LFan wrote:
>
> On Jul 10, 4:51 pm, MB <k... RemoveThis @al.com> wrote:
> > So the workout goes brilliantly otherwise,
>
> Hold on, who said the workout went brilliantly. The quote was that he
> "has recovered physically". That hardly spells brilliant workout to
> me. Maybe he was able to run a couple of laps of the gym without
> collapsing in excruciating pain, but couldn't hit a shot other than a
> layup to save his life. That would constitute "has recovered
> physically."
>
> > but because the guy still has to
> > get in shape, they'll give the MLE to a lesser player, and Mihm's salary drops
> > almost 65%? I don't think so. If he was looking that good, they'd be willing
> > to let him get in shape.
> >
> > If he ends up getting $2 million, it means he was never going to get more
> > than $3- or $3.5- million. If those guys get an MLE, it's because they were
> > better in more than just their conditioning.
>
> Well, for starters, Mikki Moore had the highest field goal percentage
> of ANYONE in the playoffs and played pretty well for New Jersey last
> year. The downside on him is that he's 31, so giving him a 5 year
> contract isn't going to happen. New York offered him 3 years at 3
> million and he turned it down. He might get a full MLE or he might
> not, but he's more ready to play than Mihm at this point.

Moore is a classic Fluke Rule guy; anybody giving him the full MLE will
know the pain the Lakers feel with the Snow Man.

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MB wrote:
>
> How come Magloire can't get any love.

Because he is only good for 10 minutes or so off the bench these days? He
makes Brendan Haywood and the like look like Bill Russell.

I'm sure Laurel loves him.

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