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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:25 am
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"Shaquille O'Neal has always been one to speak the truth," the 7-foot-1
center said Monday night before the Heat's 106-83 victory against the
Washington Wizards. "That's it."

"I'm very surprised how it came out," O'Neal said. "I've never seen anything
like that before. I thought him and Karl were best friends."

Last season, Malone's first with the Lakers, "Karl was . . . the liaison
between me and that guy," added O'Neal, who steadfastly refuses to speak
Bryant's name. "I was always under the impression they were closer than they
were."

When O'Neal was with the Lakers he would talk as if he were the general
manager. Bryant acts as if he's running the organization. The difference
could be the organization's undoing.

Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
something wrong with you."

O'Neal said he spoke to Malone on the phone the other day. He wouldn't say
exactly what they talked about, only that it wasn't "about that (stuff)
that's going on out there."

There are rumors that if Malone came back to play another year, he would
wind up in Miami or San Antonio. "I don't know what Karl's going to do,"
O'Neal said. "I don't know who he has talked to. I don't know if he wants to
come back and play."

One thing O'Neal can say for sure is that Malone, like O'Neal and Jackson,
won't leave L.A. without scars. "I know Karl's hurt," O'Neal said. "I can
tell he's hurt. I know he's (angry)."

It must be weird, we said, viewing the Lakers' soap opera from afar after
eight years of playing a starring role in it.

"It's not," said O'Neal, who will face the Lakers for the first time on
Christmas Day. "It's funny. It's funny because now that I'm gone the
sunglasses are off. Now you can see everything very clearly."

So he was the filter. Is that what he's saying?

"Yeah," O'Neal said. "I was the filter."

Like anybody who has escaped an unhappy situation, O'Neal is grateful to
have gotten out.

"I'm happy where I am," he said, then went out and demonstrated as much by
collecting 40 points and 12 rebounds. "I think it's unfair to (his Heat
teammates) to keep talking about L.A. It's not something that I worry
about."

The truth? It must be something that bothers him or O'Neal wouldn't have
veered from a question about Monday's game to point out that if you look at
the history of the Lakers, "they always take care of the guards. So I knew I
was dog meat. Luckily I'm the high-priced dog meat."

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:18 am
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In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
<s_knight8nospam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
> something wrong with you."


That's probably true ...



> "I'm happy where I am," he said, then went out and demonstrated as much by
> collecting 40 points and 12 rebounds. "I think it's unfair to (his Heat
> teammates) to keep talking about L.A.


.... and then he says, in so many words, what Kobe said on the radio.
(Not exactly the same, but close.)

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:07 am
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"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x DeleteThis @x.x> wrote in message
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> In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> <s_knight8nospam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
>> something wrong with you."
>
>
> That's probably true ...

I didn't like Malone before he came to the Lakers and I don't like him now.
I guess something's wrong with me. Funny, it seems as though I'm in the
majority.

>
>
>
>> "I'm happy where I am," he said, then went out and demonstrated as much
>> by
>> collecting 40 points and 12 rebounds. "I think it's unfair to (his Heat
>> teammates) to keep talking about L.A.
>
>
> ... and then he says, in so many words, what Kobe said on the radio.
> (Not exactly the same, but close.)

Shaquille is still just a little boy in a man's body. Refusing to say Kobe's
name?

What is that?

Jeff
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:05 pm
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:18:31 GMT, x.TakeThisOut@x.x (Granville Waiters' Ghost)
wrote:

>In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
><s_knight8nospam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
>> something wrong with you."
>
>
>That's probably true ...

I like Malone, I find it sad that it has come down to this childish
thing to get him to a team that will end up with a championship to get
his ring.

He could have simply said "guys, it's been fun, but I cam here for a
ring, so I'll take off to the Spurs, Timberwolves, ...etc, but I'll keep
in touch", and moved on.

But Shaq is wrong as usual, because the majority of the basketball fans
(or at lest the ones that I came across in all these years) used to hate
Malone, for his physical play.



>> "I'm happy where I am," he said, then went out and demonstrated as much by
>> collecting 40 points and 12 rebounds. "I think it's unfair to (his Heat
>> teammates) to keep talking about L.A.
>
>
>... and then he says, in so many words, what Kobe said on the radio.
>(Not exactly the same, but close.)

And keeps talking about Kobe and the Lakers, trashing them in every
interview.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:40 pm
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
> something wrong with you."

Yeah. Quit being such a drag, Vanessa.

--
Jeremey
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:10 pm
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"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x DeleteThis @x.x> wrote in message
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> In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> <s_knight8nospam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone,
there's
> > something wrong with you."
>
>
> That's probably true ...

Bill Russell is a legend, but not many people like him. Jordan is a legend.
You think a lot of people like him?

>
>
>
> > "I'm happy where I am," he said, then went out and demonstrated as much
by
> > collecting 40 points and 12 rebounds. "I think it's unfair to (his Heat
> > teammates) to keep talking about L.A.
>
>
> ... and then he says, in so many words, what Kobe said on the radio.
> (Not exactly the same, but close.)
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:12 pm
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"Sports Fan" <sports DeleteThis @fan.home> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:18:31 GMT, x DeleteThis @x.x (Granville Waiters' Ghost)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> ><s_knight8nospam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone,
there's
> >> something wrong with you."
> >
> >
> >That's probably true ...
>
> I like Malone, I find it sad that it has come down to this childish
> thing to get him to a team that will end up with a championship to get
> his ring.
>
> He could have simply said "guys, it's been fun, but I cam here for a
> ring, so I'll take off to the Spurs, Timberwolves, ...etc, but I'll keep
> in touch", and moved on.
>
> But Shaq is wrong as usual, because the majority of the basketball fans
> (or at lest the ones that I came across in all these years) used to hate
> Malone, for his physical play.
>

Oh no, not for his physical play. A lot of fans (esp. Laker fans) think he
is one of the dirtiest player around.

>
>
> >> "I'm happy where I am," he said, then went out and demonstrated as much
by
> >> collecting 40 points and 12 rebounds. "I think it's unfair to (his Heat
> >> teammates) to keep talking about L.A.
> >
> >
> >... and then he says, in so many words, what Kobe said on the radio.
> >(Not exactly the same, but close.)
>
> And keeps talking about Kobe and the Lakers, trashing them in every
> interview.
>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:33 pm
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:12:06 -0800, "PeterL" <peterl RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Sports Fan" <sports RemoveThis @fan.home> wrote in message
>news:klhur0pgf078ngv9jvvkaf2iu7p43b4nao@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:18:31 GMT, x RemoveThis @x.x (Granville Waiters' Ghost)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
>> ><s_knight8nospam RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone,
>there's
>> >> something wrong with you."
>> >
>> >
>> >That's probably true ...
>>
>> I like Malone, I find it sad that it has come down to this childish
>> thing to get him to a team that will end up with a championship to get
>> his ring.
>>
>> He could have simply said "guys, it's been fun, but I cam here for a
>> ring, so I'll take off to the Spurs, Timberwolves, ...etc, but I'll keep
>> in touch", and moved on.
>>
>> But Shaq is wrong as usual, because the majority of the basketball fans
>> (or at lest the ones that I came across in all these years) used to hate
>> Malone, for his physical play.
>>
>
>Oh no, not for his physical play. A lot of fans (esp. Laker fans) think he
>is one of the dirtiest player around.
>

I guess that I am one of the few who liked him as a player even before
he came to the Lakers.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:46 pm
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In article <T8qdnaRRceVktiLcRVn-3A DeleteThis @giganews.com>,
"bk49" <jeffmayner DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> "Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x DeleteThis @x.x> wrote in message
> news:x-1412040223480001@user-v8lcq6b.dialup.mindspring.com...
> > In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> > <s_knight8nospam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
> >> something wrong with you."
> >
> >
> > That's probably true ...
>
> I didn't like Malone before he came to the Lakers and I don't like him now.
> I guess something's wrong with me. Funny, it seems as though I'm in the
> majority.


You haven't had botulism or the plague or anything, have you?

Seriously, I've never had a problem with Malone. He plays hard,
his Sharp Elbows shatter skulls, it's all in good fun.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:46 pm
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"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x.RemoveThis@x.x> wrote in message
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> In article <T8qdnaRRceVktiLcRVn-3A.RemoveThis@giganews.com>,
> "bk49" <jeffmayner.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x.RemoveThis@x.x> wrote in message
> > news:x-1412040223480001@user-v8lcq6b.dialup.mindspring.com...
> > > In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> > > <s_knight8nospam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone,
there's
> > >> something wrong with you."
> > >
> > >
> > > That's probably true ...
> >
> > I didn't like Malone before he came to the Lakers and I don't like him
now.
> > I guess something's wrong with me. Funny, it seems as though I'm in the
> > majority.
>
>
> You haven't had botulism or the plague or anything, have you?
>
> Seriously, I've never had a problem with Malone. He plays hard,
> his Sharp Elbows shatter skulls, it's all in good fun.

Fun for whom?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:29 am
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Granville Waiters' Ghost wrote:
> In article <T8qdnaRRceVktiLcRVn-3A.RemoveThis@giganews.com>,
> "bk49" <jeffmayner.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x.RemoveThis@x.x> wrote in message
>> news:x-1412040223480001@user-v8lcq6b.dialup.mindspring.com...
>>> In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
>>> <s_knight8nospam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone,
>>>> there's something wrong with you."
>>>
>>>
>>> That's probably true ...
>>
>> I didn't like Malone before he came to the Lakers and I don't like
>> him now. I guess something's wrong with me. Funny, it seems as
>> though I'm in the majority.
>
>
> You haven't had botulism or the plague or anything, have you?

Neither. Those injections I've seen people get on the Discovery Channel look
like they hurt and I always brush my teeth, at least, twice a day.

Jeff

>
> Seriously, I've never had a problem with Malone. He plays hard,
> his Sharp Elbows shatter skulls, it's all in good fun.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:50 am
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In article <329do3F3jved7U1.TakeThisOut@individual.net>, "PeterL" <peterl.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> "Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x.TakeThisOut@x.x> wrote in message
> news:x-1412040223480001@user-v8lcq6b.dialup.mindspring.com...
> > In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> > <s_knight8nospam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone,
> there's
> > > something wrong with you."
> >
> >
> > That's probably true ...
>
> Bill Russell is a legend, but not many people like him. Jordan is a legend.
> You think a lot of people like him?


Jordan has a lot of money. I'm sure he has no need for friends.
He's also an insufferable prick. There were excerpts from some
new book on ESPN's Page 2 a few weeks ago about what he did to
Kwame Brown, Doug Collins (though you could say Doug is a
masochist if Jordan is a sadist) and everyone else during his
unlamented Wizards tenure. He was a wreck as a GM and probably
on many levels a failure as a human being.

So yes, I could see not liking Malone or Jordan, which is what
Shaq was talking about. But I could also see reminding myself
as a teammate that even on one leg and a wig made out of rogaine,
Malone is still in the top half of people at his position,
commands respects from referees, and doesn't take days off.
I'd have to be mad not to "like" him as a teammate even if
he is an egomaniac.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:35 am
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Jeremey Wilson wrote:

> "s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
>>something wrong with you."
>
>
> Yeah. Quit being such a drag, Vanessa.

"Go with the flow, Baby."

"Just lay back and let it happen."
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:55 am
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> > >
> > >> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl
Malone,
> there's
> > >> something wrong with you."
> > >
> > >
> > >That's probably true ...
> >
> > I like Malone, I find it sad that it has come down to this childish
> > thing to get him to a team that will end up with a championship to
get
> > his ring.
> >
> > He could have simply said "guys, it's been fun, but I cam here for
a
> > ring, so I'll take off to the Spurs, Timberwolves, ...etc, but I'll
keep
> > in touch", and moved on.
> >
> > But Shaq is wrong as usual, because the majority of the basketball
fans
> > (or at lest the ones that I came across in all these years) used to
hate
> > Malone, for his physical play.
> >
>
> Oh no, not for his physical play. A lot of fans (esp. Laker fans)
think he
> is one of the dirtiest player around.
>
And Pistons fans, who remember his dirty foul on I. Thomas, back in the
day.

As to the original Shaq interview, it still cracks me up when people
refer to themselves in the third person: "Shaquile O'Neal always tells
the truth," O'Neal says. Or maybe I should say, it always cracks Joe
up when people do that.--Joe
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:31 pm
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bk49 wrote:
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> "Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x.RemoveThis@x.x> wrote in message
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> > In article <cpm115$m0c@dispatch.concentric.net>, "s_knight8"
> > <s_knight8nospam.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Malone, said O'Neal, "is a legend. If you don't like Karl Malone, there's
> >> something wrong with you."
> >
> >
> > That's probably true ...
>
> I didn't like Malone before he came to the Lakers and I don't like him now.
> I guess something's wrong with me. Funny, it seems as though I'm in the
> majority.

I think it's the same reason that the majority do not like the Lakers and
so many hated Jordan, greatness breeds jealousy.

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