'Sheed to the hawks

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> > > Terraholm wrote:
> > >> "toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:pWYVb.4041$%X3.357@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > >>>
> > >>> it's done
> > >>>
> > >>> dickau, rahim, and theo for wallace and person
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> So what does the rotation look like?
> > >> Poor Miles, back to the bench....
> > >>
> > >> So tag team Davis and Ratliff at center.
> > >> Randolph, SAR at PF
> > >> SAR, Patterson, woods at SF
> > >> DA and Miles at SG
> > >> Damon and a small herd of backup PGs...last week they had one PG now
> > >> they have 4
> > >
> > > Miles has been playing good. Hell, the whole team has been playing
> > > good, this should sure put them in a funk for a few games. Damn,
> > > sorry to see sheed go.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Could you imagine being a Hawk fan?
> Beat Dallas and lose 2 ex all-star
> > starters in the same night. You would have to wonder what the hell was
> > up with that.
>
> Not a problem, there are no hawks fans, at least ones that buy tickets...
>
>
> >
> > Good timing at the break. Hawks are off already so they likely wanted
> > the trade right away. I wouldn't be surprised if SAR or Rat sit out vs
> > the Nuggets too.
>
> More likely they come off the bench their first game. But they will get
one
> practice.
>
> >
> > IMO the secret to success for the Blazers, more now than before, is
> > whether the post can handle a double team. Sheed excelled at it, Zach
> > and Dale both struggle. What about SAR or Rat?
>
> No one will double Ratliff, he is not an offensive threat. I hope SAR will
> help Zach in that he will also demand a double team?

but when he's 100% and playing confident, he can be. he's averaged over 12
ppg in a couple seasons and can do more. and that's why I like him. not
only does he lead the league in blocked shots, but he can score and rebound
when needed. with rahim, DA, zach, miles, and damon, we won't need theo to
score... we have more options in my opinion now than we did before the
trade.
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"toad" <papatoad.RemoveThis@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > No one will double Ratliff, he is not an offensive threat. I hope SAR
will
> > help Zach in that he will also demand a double team?
>
> but when he's 100% and playing confident, he can be. he's averaged over
12
> ppg in a couple seasons and can do more.

That was before the injuries when he was playing 36 minutes and putting back
all those Iverson misses........does not make him an offensive threat. He is
who they will double off.

> when needed. with rahim, DA, zach, miles, and damon, we won't need theo
to
> score... we have more options in my opinion now than we did before the
> trade.

AKA logjam at the 3....

You did not answer my question about SAR...
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.DeleteThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <c09lkj$141vqd$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> scribbled:
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> >> Ratliff and SAR also person for dickau
> >
> >I hope this was just a rumor by the guys. I dont like this trade much.
>
>
> Are you nuts? Wallace for Abdur-Rahim alone would've been a good trade the
> way you guys have been pushing Wallace on everyone. To get Ratliff too
> makes the trade too good for Portland!
>
>
> Dimitri


heck yea, I love it too =)
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> > gonzagnut baby. maybe woods will practice more long shots. god forbid
> > damon becomes our deep threat. has to be derek anderson i guess.
>
> DAs 3pt career and season average is below damons. This year that same 30%
>
> They will desperately need a shooter.

We'll trade you Van Horn for Rahim : )
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I guess chemistry will be a big ? now....how will the new guys mesh.
>
> major...

dunno why you say that when sheed's been playing out of position. why is it
such a major concern to you, only b/c you don't know anything about what
theo and rahim bring to the table?

chemistry is about getting the guys to play together... getting them on the
same page. And it's about having the right mix in the right position. We
have the right mix. nobody out of position. now we just hope theo and
rahim blend in... and I think they will b/c they're not changing positions.
their roles are defined.

the worry most about timing. Damon was used to sheed and knew his style.
the guys have to get used to that. so if that's chemistry to you, then yea,
that'll be a problem initially. but there's more to chemistry than timing.


> > The major drawback to this trade is that with both Person and Wallace
> > gone, Portland's 3-point threat has become Damon.....I think they will
> > struggle quite a bit on offense as their opponents simply pack it
> > inside.
>
> Seems a slight mess, perhaps they are not done.

dale davis is next, but I don't think it's a mess. sheed was bouncing from
SF to center and constantly out of position. How can you say getting a C
and SF in place of a guy playing out of position is a mess? Besides, Person
hardly got any minutes, wasn't our main deep threat, and Sheed shouldn't
have been our deep threat. The fact that he changed from a guy who should
have been playing like barkley to a guy who was more like cliff robinson or
robert horry was a tragedy in itself. who knows, maybe DA and Woods will
shoot more 3s and develop into better deep threats than sheed ever was.

i'm much less worried about this trade than you are.
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"toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > I guess chemistry will be a big ? now....how will the new guys mesh.
> >
> > major...
>
> dunno why you say that when sheed's been playing out of position. why is
it
> such a major concern to you, only b/c you don't know anything about what
> theo and rahim bring to the table?

Because I see several unhappy players with the new logjam at SF.


> > Seems a slight mess, perhaps they are not done.
>
> dale davis is next,

So did Nash or patterson call you with that fact?


but I don't think it's a mess. sheed was bouncing from
> SF to center and constantly out of position. How can you say getting a C
> and SF in place of a guy playing out of position is a mess? Besides,
Person
> hardly got any minutes, wasn't our main deep threat,

In the last 10 games person took 23 threes to 'Sheed's 30 while playing 1/2
the minutes. And Person hit 52% of those. If that was not the main deep
threat I would love to see the player that was...=)

and Sheed shouldn't
> have been our deep threat.

> have been playing like barkley to a guy who was more like cliff robinson
or
> robert horry was a tragedy in itself. who knows, maybe DA and Woods will
> shoot more 3s and develop into better deep threats than sheed ever was.

And in those 10 games DA took 49 threes and made 30% of them...


>
> i'm much less worried about this trade than you are.

I think it is an excellent trade under the circumstances. I however do not
see the beautiful unit you get out of it. We shall see.


--
Laurel T
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David Kahn, Pacers GM,
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You did not answer my question about SAR...

what question? if he can handle a double team?
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"toad" <papatoad RemoveThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > You did not answer my question about SAR...
>
> what question? if he can handle a double team?

If his game will demand the opponent to double team him here. Because
without a player on the floor that demands one they can just collapse on
Zack, and we saw how that worked when 'Sheed was out. Zack scoring his 20
points but on 20 shots...



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that make Bonzi Wells look like Mary Poppins."
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <c09lkj$141vqd$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> scribbled:
> >
> >> Ratliff and SAR also person for dickau
> >
> >I hope this was just a rumor by the guys. I dont like this trade much.
>
>
> Are you nuts? Wallace for Abdur-Rahim alone would've been a good trade the
> way you guys have been pushing Wallace on everyone. To get Ratliff too
> makes the trade too good for Portland!
>
>

I agree... this worked out very well for Portland. Although, you have to
wonder why Portland wouldn't take the savings from just letting Wallace walk
themselves. SAR is certainly a nice player but you would think they could
help themselves more in the long run with the dough.
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"DJ Kazuya" <djkazuya RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> I agree... this worked out very well for Portland. Although, you have to
> wonder why Portland wouldn't take the savings from just letting Wallace
walk
> themselves.
SAR is certainly a nice player but you would think they could
> help themselves more in the long run with the dough.

Because this summer they still would have been about at the cap. So no FA
market anyway, and have to have 'Sheed agreed and involved on a sign and
trade. Likely they would have lost the talent for nothing in return
including cap space.
The following year these contract are up along with Damon's and davis. Then
they can play the FA market.


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Utah. 'Brother' in Utah and 'brother' in
New Jersey are entirely different concepts."
Rick Majerus on Van Horn being drafted by the Nets
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In article <c0a19l$14g2sj$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>leaves us with no outside shooting whatsoever. thats why I dont like it.


Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are worried
about losing outside shooting?! You didn't just trade Larry Bird. It's
easy enough to find some shooters, but a good, young big man is
practically a gift. If you want some outside shooting then how about
you take Derek Fisher off of our hands? Would you have been happier
trading Wallace for Brent Barry or Reggie Miller?!


Dimitri
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim DeleteThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <c0a19l$14g2sj$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >leaves us with no outside shooting whatsoever. thats why I dont like it.
>
>
> Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are worried
> about losing outside shooting?!

Person went with Sheed to the Hawks.

You didn't just trade Larry Bird. It's
> easy enough to find some shooters, but a good, young big man is
> practically a gift. If you want some outside shooting then how about
> you take Derek Fisher off of our hands? Would you have been happier
> trading Wallace for Brent Barry or Reggie Miller?!

He wants Kerr back. =)


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In article <5U%Vb.18355$F23.17600@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
DJ Kazuya <djkazuya.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>I agree... this worked out very well for Portland. Although, you have to
>wonder why Portland wouldn't take the savings from just letting Wallace walk
>themselves. SAR is certainly a nice player but you would think they could
>help themselves more in the long run with the dough.


I think that Portland is too far over the cap for Rasheed's salary to make
a difference to them as far as having money to sign someone. Paul Allen
could've saved some money, but I don't think it would've helped the team
any.


Dimitri
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