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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:09 am
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"toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> he probably don't have a future in the nba b/c of his size and lack of
> dimension in his game.
bingo...is he not just another sub 6 foot shooting guard forced to play
point from their size?
teams prefer bigger players with some athleticism.
> he's quick, but not all that athletic in the overall scheme of things and
> the days of pure shooters seems to have gone wayside.
'pure shooters' get a better FGP than 41% or 45% in college....
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:18 am
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D. Gerasimatos <dim.TakeThisOut@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> scribbled:
> In article <c0a19l$14g2sj$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> leaves us with no outside shooting whatsoever. thats why I dont like
>> it.
>
> Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are
> worried about losing outside shooting?!
yah, I am. Rasheed Wallace was a good outside shooter, as was Person.
What happens when you have outside shooting? It makes it difficult to double
team a post player.
What happens when you make it difficult to double post players? They can
score easier..
You didn't just trade Larry
> Bird. It's easy enough to find some shooters, but a good, young big
> man is practically a gift. If you want some outside shooting then how
> about you take Derek Fisher off of our hands? Would you have been
> happier trading Wallace for Brent Barry or Reggie Miller?!
Derek Fisher is not a good outside shooter.
Suggesting that I'd be happier trading Rasheed for Brent Barry and Reggie
Miller doesn't really have anything to do with my original point that the
team HAS NO OUTSIDE SHOOTERS anymore.
coming up with some alternate trade suggestion doesn't really change my
opinion that I wish they hadn't traded their only good outside shooter.
>
> Dimitri
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:35 am
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In article <Xns948AD9BD3B274spamsuxspamsuxnet RemoveThis @216.168.3.44>, Target
<spamsux RemoveThis @spamsux.net> wrote:
> Could you imagine being a Hawk fan? Beat Dallas and lose 2 ex all-star
> starters in the same night. You would have to wonder what the hell was
> up with that.
And beat the Spurs (and Indiana?) not too long ago, too. They've
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:45 am
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In article <102h4c9pps7aa5a.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.RemoveThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>news:c0a1vg$13v4$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
>> In article <c0a19l$14g2sj$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
>> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >leaves us with no outside shooting whatsoever. thats why I dont like it.
>>
>>
>> Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are worried
>> about losing outside shooting?!
>
>Person went with Sheed to the Hawks.
That's what I'm saying. He is lamenting the loss of Wesley Person?!
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:45 am
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <102h4c9pps7aa5a RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
> >news:c0a1vg$13v4$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> >> In article <c0a19l$14g2sj$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> >> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >leaves us with no outside shooting whatsoever. thats why I dont like
it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are
worried
> >> about losing outside shooting?!
> >
> >Person went with Sheed to the Hawks.
>
>
> That's what I'm saying. He is lamenting the loss of Wesley Person?!
'Sheed was most of the outside shooting, he took 300 a season. Zach can not
handle a collapsing defense.
DA and Damon's 3pt % is pretty bad so it will be difficult to prevent that
defense.
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twice as big as the other guys' O.
It makes your X's and O's pretty good."
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:14 pm
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "toad" <papatoad.DeleteThis@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > >
> > > You did not answer my question about SAR...
> >
> > what question? if he can handle a double team?
>
> If his game will demand the opponent to double team him here. Because
> without a player on the floor that demands one they can just collapse on
> Zack, and we saw how that worked when 'Sheed was out. Zack scoring his 20
> points but on 20 shots...
rahim gets double teamed all the time. zach gets double teamed, sometimes
even gang banged by 3 guys in the paint. teams have learned that he's not
passing, so they converge. I hope teams double team rahim b/c it might
allow zach to do more 1 on 1. but even at that, I think defenses will have
to focus on theo a bit. I really don't think teams will benefit from
double teaming anyone in our starting lineup. >> Stay informed about: 'Sheed to the hawks |
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:33 pm
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <102h4c9pps7aa5a RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"D. Gerasimatos" <dim RemoveThis @soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
> >news:c0a1vg$13v4$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> >> In article <c0a19l$14g2sj$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> >> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >leaves us with no outside shooting whatsoever. thats why I dont like
it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are
worried
> >> about losing outside shooting?!
> >
> >Person went with Sheed to the Hawks.
>
>
> That's what I'm saying. He is lamenting the loss of Wesley Person?!
>
>
> Dimitri
I agree with you D. these blazers fans here haven't watched enough of rahim
or theo to know what they bring to the table, so they'll have a different
view in hindsight. like you pointed out, rasheed was no larry bird and
person wasn't an intrecal part of our offense. we'll still score points
and maybe not we'll shoot more smart shots instead of launching up 3's...
that's all we're talking about anyways, who's going to shoot 3s? who
cares. miles, woods, rahim, and DA are all athletic guys who can create and
still have a hoard of years ahead of them. I think we got a good core for
the future. >> Stay informed about: 'Sheed to the hawks |
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:33 pm
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"toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> that's all we're talking about anyways, who's going to shoot 3s? who
> cares. miles, woods, rahim, and DA are all athletic guys who can create
and
> still have a hoard of years ahead of them. I think we got a good core
for
> the future.
Do not get too fond of them....From Nash's sound bite it seems like he is
more interested in Ratliff and SAR as trade bait, "assets" before next
season's deadline...
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:35 pm
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"DJ Kazuya" <djkazuya.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "D. Gerasimatos" <dim.DeleteThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
> news:c09s93$1229$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> > In article <c09lkj$141vqd$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> > Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> scribbled:
> > >
> > >> Ratliff and SAR also person for dickau
> > >
> > >I hope this was just a rumor by the guys. I dont like this trade much.
> >
> >
> > Are you nuts? Wallace for Abdur-Rahim alone would've been a good trade
the
> > way you guys have been pushing Wallace on everyone. To get Ratliff too
> > makes the trade too good for Portland!
> >
> >
>
> I agree... this worked out very well for Portland. Although, you have to
> wonder why Portland wouldn't take the savings from just letting Wallace
walk
> themselves. SAR is certainly a nice player but you would think they could
> help themselves more in the long run with the dough.
> --
> peace Kazuya
the blazers are worried about the cap, but we want to remain competetive and
keep our playoff streak alive. plus I don't believe either rahim or theo
are locked into long term deals. >> Stay informed about: 'Sheed to the hawks |
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:53 pm
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"toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> for how many years and why? he's a PF, right? why the hell is he
> shooting 3s?
And you all still whined about it when he was playing SF....I suppose Dirk
and KG should not be shooting 3s because they are 7 footers?
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:12 pm
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"Dan" <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c09lkj$141vqd$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> scribbled:
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> > Ratliff and SAR also person for dickau
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> I hope this was just a rumor by the guys. I dont like this trade much.
The timing is a little strange. It seems like it would have made more
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:44 pm
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"PDX Blazers" <pdx_blazers DeleteThis @sacbeemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan" <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway DeleteThis @hotmail.com> scribbled:
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> > > Ratliff and SAR also person for dickau
> >
> > I hope this was just a rumor by the guys. I dont like this trade much.
>
> The timing is a little strange. It seems like it would have made more
> sense two or three weeks ago before they got Miles and Cook.
Reportedly this was an offer they made several times and the Hawks just
changed their minds.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:49 pm
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<102gni6701ade2b.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>...
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> So what does the rotation look like?
> Poor Miles, back to the bench....
>
> So tag team Davis and Ratliff at center.
> Randolph, SAR at PF
> SAR, Patterson, woods at SF
Isn't Outlaw supposed to be a SF too?
> DA and Miles at SG
I think maybe Woods will get some of the minutes at SG.
> Damon and a small herd of backup PGs...last week they had one PG now they
> have 4
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:00 pm
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Target <spamsux.RemoveThis@spamsux.net> wrote in message news:<Xns948AD9BD3B274spamsuxspamsuxnet.RemoveThis@216.168.3.44>...
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> Could you imagine being a Hawk fan?
Do they have any left?
> Beat Dallas and lose 2 ex all-star starters in the same night.
> You would have to wonder what the hell was up with that.
This would be a good time to just disband that team. They were already
short-handed and now they trade three players for two.
> Good timing at the break. Hawks are off already so they likely wanted
> the trade right away. I wouldn't be surprised if SAR or Rat sit out vs
> the Nuggets too.
Good timing for the Hawks maybe, but too bad the Blazers couldn't have
at least waited a few more days. They really need to win both of their
two home games this week. The new guys won't play against Utah tonight,
but they should be available for the Denver game. >> Stay informed about: 'Sheed to the hawks |
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:15 pm
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"toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message news:<YAZVb.4349$%X3.3449@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> aldridge says sheed won't stay in atlanta after this year and they'll be a
> major player in free agency... brandon's salary also drops. they're talking
> kobe and others to atlanta. approximately 50 mill will be dropped off
> atlanta's salary.
Aldridge was doing some double counting, but it will still be a lot.
Wallace, Person, and Brandon add up to about 36 million. Stories about
the trade say Atlanta was right at the luxury tax threshold, which was
about 56 million last year, so this will allow them to drop to around
20 million, about the same as Utah. So they're looking at even more
cap room than Orlando had when they signed Hill and McGrady. >> Stay informed about: 'Sheed to the hawks |
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