'Sheed to the hawks

"PDX Blazers" <pdx_blazers DeleteThis @sacbeemail.com> wrote in message
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> "toad" <papatoad DeleteThis @mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> > aldridge says sheed won't stay in atlanta after this year and they'll be
a
> > major player in free agency... brandon's salary also drops. they're
talking
> > kobe and others to atlanta. approximately 50 mill will be dropped off
> > atlanta's salary.
>
> Aldridge was doing some double counting, but it will still be a lot.
> Wallace, Person, and Brandon add up to about 36 million. Stories about
> the trade say Atlanta was right at the luxury tax threshold, which was
> about 56 million last year, so this will allow them to drop to around
> 20 million, about the same as Utah. So they're looking at even more
> cap room than Orlando had when they signed Hill and McGrady.

They are at about 63 mil now but TBs 11 mil will not count against the cap
and tax. That was why his contract was attractive, he could come off the cap
before the end of the season, two years after he could not play.


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"Klugguy" <alphamale.TakeThisOut@myeweb.com> wrote in message
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> "toad" <papatoad.TakeThisOut@mrstoad.com> wrote in message news:<A6_Vb.4664
> > people will like the trade.
>
> Without knowing what Portland's payroll situation is, I would say it's
> a great trade for Portland given that they were apparently open to the
> possibilty of just letting Wallace go and getting nothing for him.

Letting 'Sheed walk would have put them about at the cap level. The next
season the new contracts expire and with 2 more big contracts ending they
will be able to drop well under the cap if they want.

> Initial comments from the Hawks indicate the trade is just a way to
> get rid of big contracts on a team that wasn't going to get any better
> as it was constituted and that Wallace is not going to be signed once
> the year is over.

Feeling in mutual I think, He would not accept an extension for just that
reason. He did noit want to have to stay if traded somewhere like Atlanta.


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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > I guess chemistry will be a big ? now....how will the new guys mesh.
> >
> > major...
>
> dunno why you say that when sheed's been playing out of position. why is
> it such a major concern to you, only b/c you don't know anything about what
> theo and rahim bring to the table?

I think there are always concerns when you bring in new players, and more
so when they're likely to be starters and might be seen as taking minutes
from someone else. Just for comparison, Ratliff and Rahim were combining
for 68 minutes per game versus 56 for Wallace and Person. That wasn't a
factor in the trades that brought in Person and Miles, but it could be here.

> chemistry is about getting the guys to play together... getting them on the
> same page. And it's about having the right mix in the right position. We
> have the right mix. nobody out of position. now we just hope theo and
> rahim blend in... and I think they will b/c they're not changing positions.
> their roles are defined.

Rahim started his NBA career in Vancouver at SF, but has been playing mostly
PF for Atlanta.
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Sign a good shooter....or trade for one.
>
> why? what do you consider a good 3 point shooter and why is it so
> important?

Zone buster. spreads the defense, allows more movement.

>I think woods, rahim, da,


DA is shooting 34%. Not on 3s, that is at 30%....

>and zach can put up plenty of higher
> percentage shots.

And he will get more shots if they can not sag off the guards...
Person was shooting 47% on 3s. They give them more pts for those ya know...

> Our best bet is to develop someone on our team or just
> stick with higher percentage shots.

Drag a 3pt specialist, spot up shooter, up out of the CBA.


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toad wrote:
>
> we can be a playoff team with this roster.

Yep, if I'm a Denver or Memphis fan I just got realllllly nervous.

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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I've seen theo and rahim play plenty.
>
> well duh...you always seem to assume you are the only one that watches the
> nba...

no, I assume plenty watch more nba than you. your first priority is to
watch the blazers, then to groom pets. any other nba teams don't matter
much unless it's a big game, or there's nothing else on, but mostly, I
figure you get all your news about players and other teams from what you
read in the papers, online, or hear on the news.
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"toad" <papatoad.DeleteThis@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > I've seen theo and rahim play plenty.
> >
> > well duh...you always seem to assume you are the only one that watches
the
> > nba...
>
> no, I assume plenty watch more nba than you. your first priority is to
> watch the blazers, then to groom pets.

LOL...Now you know my whole life? Gee wiz....actually running my business
and making a living, and my own show dogs come first, NBA a distant 3rd. I
guess you make your living watching basketball?


> any other nba teams don't matter
> much unless it's a big game, or there's nothing else on,

I watch every game I can,.including the current bulls games on WGN. Now
those are 'big' games. I drive 240 miles to Portland a few times a year and
more rarely to Sac to go to games. I have been watching BBall since
1976....when were you born again?

I do not get to watch every game I want. I would have NBA-LP if it was
available on my cable system. When there is no game on TV I listen to games
every night on the radio feed so hear a variety of commentators discuss
players.

>but mostly, I
> figure you get all your news about players and other teams from what you
> read in the papers, online, or hear on the news.

Well figure again. That is such arrogant bullshit.
Because I disagree with your take on a player does not mean I never watched
him play.

If you want to judge on their college career fine, I likely did not see them
much then. But one out of 1000 make it to the NBA, so I shall judge how they
do in this league.

A player like SAR may be great and just buried on a garbage team. Or he may
just look great because of that lack of talent around him and put up good
stats because much of his floor time on those awful teams is against 2nd
units in extended garbage time.

You are the one prejudging SAR not me. I hope he shows to be the buried
superstar, he blossoms in Portland and they keep him for years. I just not
going to claim psychic powers if it happens.

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In article <102hr1ac5g4n74f.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>'Sheed was most of the outside shooting, he took 300 a season.


Don't you think of that as a problem more than an asset?


Dimitri
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"D. Gerasimatos" <dim.RemoveThis@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <102hr1ac5g4n74f.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> Terraholm <terraholm_SpamGoAway.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >'Sheed was most of the outside shooting, he took 300 a season.
>
>
> Don't you think of that as a problem more than an asset?
>

No. It just made him tougher to guard. It did not affect his effectiveness.
=)


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In article <c0b07u$14t8ri$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Suggesting that I'd be happier trading Rasheed for Brent Barry and Reggie
>Miller doesn't really have anything to do with my original point that the
>team HAS NO OUTSIDE SHOOTERS anymore.
>
>coming up with some alternate trade suggestion doesn't really change my
>opinion that I wish they hadn't traded their only good outside shooter.


Wallace was gone anyway. You can make the point that you wished they got
a shooter back instead, but don't you think Abdur-Rahim is much better
than most shooters? Sure, if you could get Ray Allen then maybe go for it
but the trade you got is much better than a Blazer fan could've hoped for.


Dimitri
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D. Gerasimatos <dim.TakeThisOut@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> scribbled:

> In article <c0b07u$14t8ri$1@ID-142071.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Dan <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Suggesting that I'd be happier trading Rasheed for Brent Barry and
>> Reggie Miller doesn't really have anything to do with my original
>> point that the team HAS NO OUTSIDE SHOOTERS anymore.
>>
>> coming up with some alternate trade suggestion doesn't really change
>> my opinion that I wish they hadn't traded their only good outside
>> shooter.
>
> Wallace was gone anyway. You can make the point that you wished they
> got a shooter back instead, but don't you think Abdur-Rahim is much
> better than most shooters? Sure, if you could get Ray Allen then
> maybe go for it but the trade you got is much better than a Blazer
> fan could've hoped for.

true, it is a good trade. But having outside shooters, especially one that
doesn't bitch and moan about his role, is important.

>
>
> Dimitri


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"Dan" <Pet_NO_SPAM_Sounds.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Dude, Wesley Person. You just traded Rasheed Wallace and you are
> > worried about losing outside shooting?!
>
> yah, I am. Rasheed Wallace was a good outside shooter, as was Person.
>
> What happens when you have outside shooting? It makes it difficult to
double
> team a post player.
>
> What happens when you make it difficult to double post players? They can
> score easier..

Dan, are you worried that we won't score points? that we can't make jumpers
with person and wallace gone? that we have no jump shooters? or are you
just worried about a legit 3 point threat?

because rahim doesn't just dunk balls. he averages 20 ppg by shooting a lot
and creating. he's going to score. DA, Miles, and Woods all have the same
ability..... to make shots and create off the dribble.

I think we've got an incredibly gifted lineup that won't have to rely on the
low percentage 3 ball.... and what's wrong with that?

eventually someone will emerge as our long threat, but if we're shooting 50%
from the floor (or close to), I think we'll put good points up on the board.

In my opinion, Sheed never shoulda been shooting 3s anyways. Initially
people complained about him shooting 3s and it was a joke when he made 'em.
We laughed, but most everyone cringed. Then he got better at it. someone
else will emerge. the best part of this trade is that we have a bunch of
starters who know their role and aren't going to be starting out of
position.
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"toad" <papatoad.DeleteThis@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> In my opinion, Sheed never shoulda been shooting 3s anyways. Initially
> people complained about him shooting 3s and it was a joke when he made
'em.

Excuse me? He took about 80 3s as a rookie.
In the 2000 playoffs (after his worse year on 3pt% )he looked to shoot
them and made a high % of them.Then the next season he really mad it part of
his game. Dunlevy when asked about that said if he was 'Sheed's teammate
would look at him as 'an assist waiting to happen' no matter what the range.

Zach worked on 3 pointers all last summer, guess you all will be pissed when
he develops some real range too...


>Then he got better at it. someone
> else will emerge.

I love your "emerging" shooters....
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