Well........ Spurs are champs again.....

On Jun 15, 8:53 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack... RemoveThis @worldnet.att.net>
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> "777" <S... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Now that is a franchise that the Knicks should try to emulate.
>
> So you think that the Knicks should build a team around Eddie Curry? That is
> essentially what the Spurs did in terms of their C.

Duncan's their PF.
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Glenn Greenstein:

> should build a team around Eddie Curry?

What do you mean 'should'? Did you miss the season? We already spent an
entire season flowing the game through Curry, our franchise player who,
according to Isiah, deserves respect around the league as an elite center.

We have our own Parker in Starbury, Manu in Crawford, Bowen in Jeffries and
Horry in Jerome.

DG
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On Jun 15, 10:24 pm, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Noah" <dontsendmeyers....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Duncan's their PF.
>
> He qualifies as both. You are also splitting hairs.

He qualifies as both? How does that work? He has never played the 5
position as anything other than a temporary stopgap. In their four
championships they have had at center David Robinson (2X), Nazr
Mohammed, and now Fabricio Oberto. They've also had Rasho Nesterovic,
Francisco Elson, etc.

I don't think that's splitting hairs. You're just wrong here. As
always, it doesn't hurt to do a little homework before you make
proclamations.
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"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 15, 8:53 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack....RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>> "777" <S....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:g83473du8c00a4ud8bm9jf7nlcassdm3ef@4ax.com...
>>
>> > Now that is a franchise that the Knicks should try to emulate.
>>
>> So you think that the Knicks should build a team around Eddie Curry? That
>> is
>> essentially what the Spurs did in terms of their C.
>
> Duncan's their PF.
He qualifies as both. You are also splitting hairs.
>
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On Jun 14, 11:54 pm, 777 <S... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now that is a franchise that the Knicks should try to emulate.

Worst finals ever... I think even worse than Nets-Spurs... no fault to
the Spurs either. Their series with Phoenix was terrific but the Cavs
just weren't a match.

I really would have liked to see a Dallas rematch with the Spurs.
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"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 15, 10:24 pm, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Noah" <dontsendmeyers....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > Duncan's their PF.
>>
>> He qualifies as both. You are also splitting hairs.
>
> He qualifies as both? How does that work? He has never played the 5
> position as anything other than a temporary stopgap. In their four
> championships they have had at center David Robinson (2X), Nazr
> Mohammed, and now Fabricio Oberto. They've also had Rasho Nesterovic,
> Francisco Elson, etc.
>
> I don't think that's splitting hairs. You're just wrong here. As
> always, it doesn't hurt to do a little homework before you make
> proclamations.
>
NBA.com has him listed as F-C. What does the C stand for? Cute?
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Glenn, my apologies if it sometimes gets snippy, although I must
confess that I do get annoyed when you repeatedly post proclamations
based on inaccurate information. It seems like you talk always about
stuff you don't always know about, without being bothered to do the
slightest bits of research first. This just seems to lead to ignorant
debates that are irrelevant.

Here I saw the potential for another one, which is why I chimed in.
To make an argument that one should build around their center like
such and such team, when has NOT built around their center, but
instead built around their power forward, just leads everyone astray.
To me, this is not the most insignificant part. It's the central
point of your argument, and it's flawed to its core based upon
misinformation. Since David Robinson got old, San Antonio has been
winning specifically without a star center but instead using
serviceable role-player types like Mohammed, Elson, Nesterovic, Oberto
etc in the starting role.

And suggesting that Lee and Curry are interchangeable as central
foundation building blocks is further to the point -- they have very
different skill sets and more importantly very different flaws and
salary ramifications that would dramatically affect how the team
around them is constructed. All of these things should be central
considerations to whom you make your franchise player and who you
build around. You can't just look at a box score and vote for the guy
who you see with numbers. You have to look a little deeper than that.

On Jun 16, 8:47 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....RemoveThis@optonline.net> wrote:

> Noah, let me ask you. Do you look for my posts and get a woody about ripping
> me? I only post opinion really, and since I am more hopeful that you, we
> differ greatly. There are times I am flat out wrong I will admit, but there
> were times I was dead on when others were against me. Right in this post, I
> really can't believe you pick the most insignificant point to argue. The
> jist of my post was the Spurs more or less have built around Duncan. If he
> plays a C or PF isn't the point I was making. If you prefer David Lee as an
> example over Curry, have it your way.
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"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 15, 10:24 pm, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa... DeleteThis @optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Noah" <dontsendmeyers... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > Duncan's their PF.
>>
>> He qualifies as both. You are also splitting hairs.
>
> He qualifies as both? How does that work? He has never played the 5
> position as anything other than a temporary stopgap. In their four
> championships they have had at center David Robinson (2X), Nazr
> Mohammed, and now Fabricio Oberto. They've also had Rasho Nesterovic,
> Francisco Elson, etc.
>
> I don't think that's splitting hairs. You're just wrong here. As
> always, it doesn't hurt to do a little homework before you make
> proclamations.
>
Noah, let me ask you. Do you look for my posts and get a woody about ripping
me? I only post opinion really, and since I am more hopeful that you, we
differ greatly. There are times I am flat out wrong I will admit, but there
were times I was dead on when others were against me. Right in this post, I
really can't believe you pick the most insignificant point to argue. The
jist of my post was the Spurs more or less have built around Duncan. If he
plays a C or PF isn't the point I was making. If you prefer David Lee as an
example over Curry, have it your way.
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"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Glenn, my apologies if it sometimes gets snippy, although I must
> confess that I do get annoyed when you repeatedly post proclamations
> based on inaccurate information. It seems like you talk always about
> stuff you don't always know about, without being bothered to do the
> slightest bits of research first. This just seems to lead to ignorant
> debates that are irrelevant.
>
> Here I saw the potential for another one, which is why I chimed in.
> To make an argument that one should build around their center like
> such and such team, when has NOT built around their center, but
> instead built around their power forward, just leads everyone astray.
> To me, this is not the most insignificant part. It's the central
> point of your argument, and it's flawed to its core based upon
> misinformation. Since David Robinson got old, San Antonio has been
> winning specifically without a star center but instead using
> serviceable role-player types like Mohammed, Elson, Nesterovic, Oberto
> etc in the starting role.
>
> And suggesting that Lee and Curry are interchangeable as central
> foundation building blocks is further to the point -- they have very
> different skill sets and more importantly very different flaws and
> salary ramifications that would dramatically affect how the team
> around them is constructed. All of these things should be central
> considerations to whom you make your franchise player and who you
> build around. You can't just look at a box score and vote for the guy
> who you see with numbers. You have to look a little deeper than that.

You know what Noah, that is an excellent point if I wasn't being sarcastic
in the first place. Curry nor Lee nor anyone on the knicks is a founation
player you can build around. Curry has a chance if he learns to play D and
use his body more, Lee looks like he will be a player that will put up
Oakley type numbers without the intimidation factor, but that is not a guy
you base your personel moves on.
>
> On Jun 16, 8:47 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Noah, let me ask you. Do you look for my posts and get a woody about
>> ripping
>> me? I only post opinion really, and since I am more hopeful that you, we
>> differ greatly. There are times I am flat out wrong I will admit, but
>> there
>> were times I was dead on when others were against me. Right in this post,
>> I
>> really can't believe you pick the most insignificant point to argue. The
>> jist of my post was the Spurs more or less have built around Duncan. If
>> he
>> plays a C or PF isn't the point I was making. If you prefer David Lee as
>> an
>> example over Curry, have it your way.
>
>
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On Jun 16, 1:30 pm, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote:

> You know what Noah, that is an excellent point if I wasn't being sarcastic
> in the first place. Curry nor Lee nor anyone on the knicks is a founation
> player you can build around. Curry has a chance if he learns to play D and
> use his body more, Lee looks like he will be a player that will put up
> Oakley type numbers without the intimidation factor, but that is not a guy
> you base your personel moves on.

There's no reason to believe that you were being sarcastic. You've
suggested personnel moves around Lee plenty of times before.
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In alt.sports.basketball.nba on Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:55:24 -0700 Noah wrote:

>On Jun 15, 10:24 pm, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Noah" <dontsendmeyers....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > Duncan's their PF.
>>
>> He qualifies as both. You are also splitting hairs.
>
>He qualifies as both? How does that work? He has never played the 5
>position as anything other than a temporary stopgap. In their four
>championships they have had at center David Robinson (2X), Nazr
>Mohammed, and now Fabricio Oberto. They've also had Rasho Nesterovic,
>Francisco Elson, etc.
>
>I don't think that's splitting hairs. You're just wrong here. As
>always, it doesn't hurt to do a little homework before you make
>proclamations.

Duncan played 668 playoff minutes. 55% of those minutes were spent with
either Elson or Oberto on the court. That leaves 45% of his minutes spent
playing center. This has been the pattern for the last three or four
seasons, with Duncan spending half his minutes at the 5,
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"Noah" <dontsendmeyerspam.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 16, 1:30 pm, "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa....TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> You know what Noah, that is an excellent point if I wasn't being
>> sarcastic
>> in the first place. Curry nor Lee nor anyone on the knicks is a founation
>> player you can build around. Curry has a chance if he learns to play D
>> and
>> use his body more, Lee looks like he will be a player that will put up
>> Oakley type numbers without the intimidation factor, but that is not a
>> guy
>> you base your personel moves on.
>
> There's no reason to believe that you were being sarcastic. You've
> suggested personnel moves around Lee plenty of times before.
>
Spare me
>
>
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On Jun 18, 9:23 am, "Glenn Greenstein" <glen.jack....RemoveThis@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

> I hope this clears things up for you.

It doesn't clear much up -- it's a rambling, sometimes insulting,
stream-of-consciousness rant that neither addresses the point, the
previous post, or the thread.

You're just going on and on about what you think of the Knicks'
starters, not addressing the topic, which is whether or not the Knicks
should be rebuilt around the franchise center (a silly suggestion in
the first place since these Spurs didn't build around their franchise
center).

In doing so you're not opening up much that's new -- they're all
opinions that have been repeated ad nauseaum by all of us at one point
or another. I'm not sure what the relevancy here is.

Good on you that you got to vent all your frustrations from previous
debates, but as you don't even seem to be addressing this one I'm
going to get out of dodge.
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